Should the Turtles swear in the new movie?

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

what does thinking for yourself have to do with swearing???

I think he was implying that someone never swearing because their parents said not to is kind of silly, and shows that they have/had a lot of control over them, and expresses a certain amount of naivete. Because most parents who tell their kids not to swear (gasp) actually swear quite a bit themselves. They just don't want their kids to, because kids have no internal filter, and if they start swearing, they'll most likely start swearing in places and in front of people where it simply isn't appropriate.

Once someone is old enough to show some restraint, there's nothing wrong with it. In certain situations it's *exactly* appropriate, like when two consenting adults are in the bedroom together, or, the opposite of that, when some poor guy drops a 200-lb filing cabinet on his foot. In either case, nobody's going to be sugar-coating anything.

That said, there's a level of what would be appropriate in the TMNT movie as well, and I'd say it's right about where the first movie was. Being a Bay-produced film, it will possibly push harder, but they don't need to. I curse more than anyone, but I felt it was horribly out of place in "Man of Steel", for example. Swearing is fine, and sometimes should actually be encouraged, but some movies don't need it.

[Powder]

Man, can I hire you to speak on my behalf in the future? You nailed it once again.

(This is not sarcasm)

[Leo656]

I observe people and analyze them. I try and read in between their words, especially when there's a back-and-forth between a few people who misunderstand each other, because ultimately, when that happens someone usually just isn't hearing someone else correctly. Then when it gets all "hey guy, you're being like this" and someone else is all "quit being a dick," there ain't no way they're getting back to a point where they can calmly explain whatever they were trying to say originally.

Especially on this F$#*ing internet! So I try and help out where I can. I was heavy in Journalism and Criminal Justice in school; both stressed the importance of, "So what is this person *really* trying to say?" and that always stuck with me. It's a good way to spot bullsh*tters, I'll tell you that for nothin'.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I observe people and analyze them. I try and read in between their words, especially when there's a back-and-forth between a few people who misunderstand each other, because ultimately, when that happens someone usually just isn't hearing someone else correctly. Then when it gets all "hey guy, you're being like this" and someone else is all "quit being a dick," there ain't no way they're getting back to a point where they can calmly explain whatever they were trying to say originally.

Especially on this F$#*ing internet! So I try and help out where I can. I was heavy in Journalism and Criminal Justice in school; both stressed the importance of, "So what is this person *really* trying to say?" and that always stuck with me. It's a good way to spot bullsh*tters, I'll tell you that for nothin'.

Well I know who I'm voting for, if there is ever a moderator vacancy.

[Leo656]

I don't need the hassle! Besides, I can never be The Law, as I have little to no respect for the rules and if I hadn't been here so long I wouldn't have gotten away with half of the stuff I've said and done in here.

I already got a few of the Deputies in my pocket and that's good enough for me. My off-topic rants and Kevin Nash memes would be compromised if I were ever given a position of authority. No thanks.

I appreciate the vote of confidence, though.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I think he was implying that someone never swearing because their parents said not to is kind of silly, and shows that they have/had a lot of control over them, and expresses a certain amount of naivete. Because most parents who tell their kids not to swear (gasp) actually swear quite a bit themselves. They just don't want their kids to, because kids have no internal filter, and if they start swearing, they'll most likely start swearing in places and in front of people where it simply isn't appropriate.

Once someone is old enough to show some restraint, there's nothing wrong with it. In certain situations it's *exactly* appropriate, like when two consenting adults are in the bedroom together, or, the opposite of that, when some poor guy drops a 200-lb filing cabinet on his foot. In either case, nobody's going to be sugar-coating anything.

That said, there's a level of what would be appropriate in the TMNT movie as well, and I'd say it's right about where the first movie was. Being a Bay-produced film, it will possibly push harder, but they don't need to. I curse more than anyone, but I felt it was horribly out of place in "Man of Steel", for example. Swearing is fine, and sometimes should actually be encouraged, but some movies don't need it.

yes my parents taught me swearing is wrong, but now that I'm old enough....I hate it because I simply hate it.

in my opinion you don't gain anything from swearing but you can hurt people unintentionally from doing it.

it sucks having to put up with people who cuss.....especially when you hear it everywhere....but thats another reason why I love cartoons...so I don't have to put up with it.

oh well ....it's a major pet peeve of mine. I know this movie will have cussing, can't do anything about it though.
(I've learned to tolerate it to a certain extent.)

[Leo656]

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

true, but they do offend me....I guess I'm weak or something XD....
they just come off as "rude" to me.

also I wouldn't want to risk making someone upset.

so....I'll guess I'll just do what I always do and blank the words out

[Leo656]

I wouldn't say "weak", but it's an idea some people would have to train themselves into embracing. I grew up with people cursing constantly so by the time I was like 5 I'd heard anything "offensive" a person could possibly hear, which made it seem entirely boring and non-offensive.

I think it's scientifically called "proximity theory", or something like that. The more a person is exposed to something, the less shocked and/or offended they are by it, in general.

[Refractive Reflections]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

yes my parents taught me swearing is wrong, but now that I'm old enough....I hate it because I simply hate it.

in my opinion you don't gain anything from swearing but you can hurt people unintentionally from doing it.

it sucks having to put up with people who cuss.....especially when you hear it everywhere....but thats another reason why I love cartoons...so I don't have to put up with it.

oh well ....it's a major pet peeve of mine. I know this movie will have cussing, can't do anything about it though.
(I've learned to tolerate it to a certain extent.)

I can understand that viewpoint, and everybody has pet peeves. But I guess I would go further with that and say that using profanity frequently or casually actually blunts the impact of the word further and further. I mean wouldn't a person take the profane word much more seriously from a "goody-two-shoes" than a person who says it in every sentence or paragraph?
It would be analogous to taking a big "verbal" assault rifle and comparing somebody who shoots it every hour versus somebody who used it every 7-10 years. People are going to notice when somebody very rarely brings out "the big guns".

I myself don't like to use it at all, but there have been times I had to use it toward a total in about 4-5 people in my life (yes, I know only 4-5 people! LOL ), when they pushed my long-temper to extremes and there was no way to calm/reason the situation, deviate the conversation, avoid them, when they were completely disregarding how they were treating me, and when this obviously malicious behavior continued relentlessly without mercy.

...Funny thing is, even though its been over 10 years... those same people still remember those times when I brought out "the big guns". And those times marked a permanent shift in the relationship or "line in the sand" with a couple of family members or classmates.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I wouldn't say "weak", but it's an idea some people would have to train themselves into embracing. I grew up with people cursing constantly so by the time I was like 5 I'd heard anything "offensive" a person could possibly hear, which made it seem entirely boring and non-offensive.

I think it's scientifically called "proximity theory", or something like that. The more a person is exposed to something, the less shocked and/or offended they are by it, in general.

yea you got that right...

I barely heard any cussing when I was a kid......so now that I'm 20 and in college, I hear it left and right and it's killer on my ears.

you would think I'd just eventually loosen up and start cussing a little too, but hearing so much swearing only made me resent it more XD.....

@JYX: I just can't bring myself to say them.....it's like a mental tick! XD but if it does slip out...I'd probably say it in front of my family first than my friends or strangers

[Leo656]

The real challenge is inventing new and more colorful word-weapons. The usual ones are so worn out.

I'd share some, but the copyrights haven't all been finalized and I'll be damned if anyone is going to claim my warped genius as their own.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by Leo656

The real challenge is inventing new and more colorful word-weapons. The usual ones are so worn out.

I'd share some, but the copyrights haven't all been finalized and I'll be damned if anyone is going to claim my warped genius as their own.

lol! XD I always use replacement words!

like glob-globit! (thanx to Adventure Time)
and what the Freak! or Fudge!

*_*

[Leo656]

My wife used to do that when I met her. Then she watched a few Kevin Smith movies and that was the end of that.

"Mallrats", specifically.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Leo656

My wife used to do that when I met her. Then she watched a few Kevin Smith movies and that was the end of that.

"Mallrats", specifically.

Mallrats transformed my entire vocabulary as a teenager!
Now, I have a few mates that swear religiously, but I'm not one to swear a whole bunch. Unless I have had too many beers, then the filter goes...

[Leo656]

"Sailboat... sailboat... god DAMN sailboat..."

I love that movie. I want to have babies with it.

[Jester]

The most underrated of the Kevin Smith oeuvre.

[Welmanshire]

Originally Posted by Jester

The most underrated of the Kevin Smith oeuvre.

Definitely. With the appearance of Stan Lee and lines like "fly fatass, fly!"it was a winner. Jason Lee was awesome and the sailboat gag was hilarious.

[Leo656]

Sometimes I randomly yell "LOOKIT ME LOOKIT ME YOU SLOPPY BITCH!" at people I know. Not all of them saw the movie, but it always gets a reaction.

Also, not gonna lie, the fortune teller? Yeah. Awesome.

Ahhhh, "Mallrats". I gotta watch that again soon. It's honestly been too long, like a couple years.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, BabyTurtles, there's another way to look at that. The opposing view is that some of these words are only "bad" because we say they are; words, in and of themselves, are entirely neutral and carry only the power and definitions that we give them. Swears or even racial slurs are all essentially nonsense words, some random gibberish someone mashed together and said, "This is what it means, and I'm trying to offend you with it." If you don't buy into that, the words lose all their meaning and thus, their ability to offend.

For example, I'm a pretty Irish guy; "Mick" is a generally accepted slur towards Irish people. I think it's silly. It makes no sense, to me, that that combination of letters is supposed to add up to something offensive to me personally based on my heritage. So I use it often, and encourage others to do so in my presence. Because it really doesn't mean anything at all, it's just a word, and words only hurt if you let them. You can't cut, kill, or violate someone with words. They have no power at all, they're exactly as offensive as the person hearing them wants them to be.

The power of language is in the speaker and the listener, not in the words themselves. That's *one* way of looking at it, anyway.

Very true. "Bad" words only have that power because they're given it by the folks making them taboo... and remain such because of those same people. It's like a self-fulfilling prophecy.