I'm loving this more and more.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

yea I know and I still love Mikey but there are times that I've gone "really Mikey.....really?"

but not enough for me too think he's just plain stupid. XD

it's something Mikey needs to improve on as a character and I'm sure he will

We can only hope that the creators don't go all X:Men 3 on us.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

We can only hope that the creators don't go all X:Men 3 on us.

0_0 what happened in X-men 3????

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

0_0 what happened in X-men 3????

Bryan Singer Left the Directing chair to direct the subpar Superman Returns, and Brett Ratner took over as director:

The Characters were RADICALLY out of character. The Heart/Emotion is gone, and the Dark Phoenix....well, let's not go there.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Yeaaaaah, there's no denying it. If there's one constant in TMNT, It's that Mikey has the IQ of a french fry.

Not true. In the OT and 2K3 series, he was of at least average intelligence throughout, even though he had occasional "blonde moments" in 2K3. He was also fully competent and capable of going out on his own in both. "What's Michelangelo Good For", "The Gang's All Here", and 4Kids' "The Christmas Aliens" and various Turtle Titan episodes show this very well. The main reason anyone seems to think he was dumb in the OT is his "surfer" slang and personality, which is so laid-back and relaxed that it can come off as somewhat unintelligent, even though he's just as mentally competent as the others. Even in Mirage, he was actually pretty intelligent- not to mention creative. He just didn't APPLY that intelligence very often. But it was there- he was something of an armchair philosopher in the Mirage comics.

Nick is the first time that he's been THIS "dumbed down". There was some of that in 2K3, but certainly not to the extent as we see it in Nick's show. Unfortunately, each new version seems to make his "innocence" even more prominent, to the point of making him utterly naïve and ignorant of basic knowledge and concepts. This is the worst one so far.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Not true. In the OT and 2K3 series, he was of at least average intelligence throughout, even though he had occasional "blonde moments" in 2K3. He was also fully competent and capable of going out on his own in both. "What's Michelangelo Good For", "The Gang's All Here", and 4Kids' "The Christmas Aliens" and various Turtle Titan episodes show this very well. The main reason anyone seems to think he was dumb in the OT is his "surfer" slang and personality, which is so laid-back and relaxed that it can come off as somewhat unintelligent, even though he's just as mentally competent as the others. Even in Mirage, he was actually pretty intelligent- not to mention creative. He just didn't APPLY that intelligence very often. But it was there- he was something of an armchair philosopher in the Mirage comics.

Nick is the first time that he's been THIS "dumbed down". There was some of that in 2K3, but certainly not to the extent as we see it in Nick's show. Unfortunately, each new version seems to make his "innocence" even more prominent, to the point of making him utterly naïve and ignorant of basic knowledge and concepts. This is the worst one so far.

Well, it is only the FIRST Season, and hopefully as the show progresses, this will become a less prominent issue.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Sweet Goddess, let's HOPE so!!

[BabyTurtles]

okay I did a Mikey's dumb count in every episode!!! >

(note: this is all the times he was just plain stupid, not acting silly..and this doesn't include when he's not paying attention cause I blame his lack of focus on that one)


Rise of the turtles part 1: Mikey: “then we got ourselves a van!!” XD does that one count?

Rise of the turtles part 2:
1) Mikey wants to drink the mutagen to become a super-mutant…but then again he didn’t know how dangerous it was back then
2) Mikey not understanding the van plan!!
3)” why did snake turn into a weed?? His name is snake??” then again he also didn’t understand how the mutagen worked back then…so I would have asked the same question XD

Turtle Temper: none

New friend old enemy:
4) Mikey thinks the word “Wrong” starts with R

I think his name is Baxter Stockman: None…unless you count accidently losing the T-pod

Metal Head:
5) He tried to kick Metal head in the groin?? XD (the attempt was pretty funny though)

Monkey Brains: none…I would say him unable to fight without thinking because he started thinking about it was dumb….but it can actually happen XD Centipede Dilemma.

Never say Xever:
6) Mikey: "COOL free knife!" Donnie: “the NOTE dummy.” XD

The Gauntlet:
7) Touching the Kraang alarm!! Mikey!! Did you not learn the first time!

Panic in the Sewer: none

Mousers Attack:
8 ) Raph: “we’re better than you” Mikey: “Pfff at fighting maybe…" Raph: “….that’s what I meant…”
9) Mikey: "Museum of natural history!!” Donnie: "…and the lair!! Mikey: "gasp! That too!” XD

It came from the depths:
10) thinking pizza and a smoothie would actually work together…well at least he learned his lesson fast.

I monster: none

New girl in town:
11) not knowing where fertilizer comes from (in his defense I didn’t know when I was teen at first either…)

Alien Agenda:
12) Mikey you should know DNA! He probably blanked out during that part in Donnie's class

Pulverizer…eeh none

TCRI: none…

Cockroach terminator: none

Baxter’s Gambit:
13) Mikey: watch out guys…I think this may be a trap! (You’re already trapped Mikey) XD

Enemy of my enemy:
14) still believing in leprechauns….(although that could just be his innocence)

Karai’s vendetta
15)…..Mikey..who put you in charge of the Maps….
16) Mikey…you almost boiled April's hand because of Pizza!!

Pulverizer returns…none

Parasitica: Mikey was crazy silly in this episode…but he wasn’t stupid XD

Operation Breakout:
17) (Raph does Donnie Puppet) Mikey: "Donnie! Amazing, I didn’t even see his lips move! It’s like he’s a puppet that can throw his voice to himself…wait.."
this one had to be the worst one yet….the others were more or less silly but this one was downright stupid!!

Showdown part 1 and 2: eeeh none…


so his count is 17 17 stupid moments XD not gonna lie though...I laughed at most of these..

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Not dumb in Parasitica? REALLY??!! After it took him NINETEEN times before he remembered Donnie's instructions??!! Um, yeah, THAT one DEFINITELY counts. His ONE BRIGHT MOMENT in it was actually posing as a wasp-zombie. the rest really WAS him being dumb. For a Mikey episode, it was highly disappointing. I had hoped he'd show more potential.

And "New Friend Old Enemy" had SEVERAL. Mikey naming his toes- Who does that? Not realizing that Bradford was also Shredder's henchman- even after it became obvious to EVERYONE. I'm sure there are others there, but I don't recall off-hand.

New Girl In Town: This is the same scene where he doesn't know what is IN the sewers. Not just where fertilizer comes from, but where THAT all ends up! Sheesh, it's not rocket science, Mikey....

Showdown: I'd say the "throw up- or down, or sideways" comment qualifies. Face-palm-worthy....

[Cure]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Not dumb in Parasitica? REALLY??!! After it took him NINETEEN times before he remembered Donnie's instructions??!!

He almost fainted 19 times. He knew the instructions right away.

You really have no room to speak about how "dumb" Michelangelo is after getting that detail wrong.

And naming toes and making a joke about vomiting in an anti gravity chamber isn't dumb, either. Get a sense of humor.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Not dumb in Parasitica? REALLY??!! After it took him NINETEEN times before he remembered Donnie's instructions??!! Um, yeah, THAT one DEFINITELY counts. His ONE BRIGHT MOMENT in it was actually posing as a wasp-zombie. the rest really WAS him being dumb. For a Mikey episode, it was highly disappointing. I had hoped he'd show more potential.

And "New Friend Old Enemy" had SEVERAL. Mikey naming his toes- Who does that? Not realizing that Bradford was also Shredder's henchman- even after it became obvious to EVERYONE. I'm sure there are others there, but I don't recall off-hand.

New Girl In Town: This is the same scene where he doesn't know what is IN the sewers. Not just where fertilizer comes from, but where THAT all ends up! Sheesh, it's not rocket science, Mikey....

Showdown: I'd say the "throw up- or down, or sideways" comment qualifies. Face-palm-worthy....

those were "SILLY" moments not stupid moments.
Mikey naming his toes wasn't dumb (in a smart sense) it was just plain weird and silly

same with the throwing up....not stupid just silly.

in Parasitica, Mikey was about to be a zombie....it was working it's effects and screwing with his mind, and he still remembered the cure in the end. (and he almost fainted nineteen times)

I'll give you the obvious evil Bradford though XD


when I say stupid I mean something that questions his intelligence.
when he's silly and random that's just Mikey being Mikey.

[MogwaiNinja89]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Yeah, and I would agree with this. It's painfully obvious that even at his most focused, he's STILL far from being as intelligent as the others. How many times have they face-palmed at something he says which is pure idiotic drivel(no matter how funny WE might think it is)? And then there are instances where he has to be TOLD something that the other three already KNEW? That bit about what is in the sewer they LIVE in comes to mind... How could he spend FIFTEEN YEARS in a sewer and NOT KNOW what's in there??!! And there are other examples as well. ADD/ADHA has NOTHING to do with what you KNOW or what you are capable of understanding. All it does is cause difficulty in paying attention to specific situations. It does NOT affect one's mental capacity. He may suffer from ADHD, but let's face it- Mikey in this series is ALSO kinda dumb.

Bingo. Exactly what I'm talking about.

I don't hate the guy or anything. I DO think he can be very funny, but there is no getting around they write him as a total dunce.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

^Yup. That's exactly it. They've made him the "special ed" member of the team. Was it any coincidence that his wanting to shoot the cannons at everything was the reason Leo said he wasn't in charge of the weapons? Yeah, even his brothers know better than to trust him with anything requiring reason. What about poking Splinter while he was out of it? Not too bright. Or making omelets out of smoke bombs?! Uh, couldn't he tell those weren't actual eggs? And then he proceeds to start wasting them.....

Originally Posted by Cure

He almost fainted 19 times. He knew the instructions right away.

You really have no room to speak about how "dumb" Michelangelo is after getting that detail wrong.

And naming toes and making a joke about vomiting in an anti gravity chamber isn't dumb, either. Get a sense of humor.

Um, he only remembered AFTER he "almost passed out 19 times". His own words. You might want to rethink whom YOU are calling dumb, yourself. And we can even see in the scene how he spent most of that time wracking his brain for Donnie's cure- and apparently, beating himself up to focus on what he was supposed to do.

And sense of humor? That's your argument? Seriously??! I never said some of that stuff wasn't funny- but yeah, it IS pretty low on the scale of intellectual observations, no matter HOW you slice it. And nobody over the age of four would name their toes- which kind of proves the point of his level of mental maturity and intelligence. Heck, he was even sitting with a bucket over his head, WHILE he was supposed to be navigating the Shellraiser- and MISSED their turn by three blocks! Nope, nothing dumb about that....

Edit: added another thought or two.

[Cure]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Um, he only remembered it AFTER he "almost passed out 19 times". His own words. You might want to rethink whom YOU are calling dumb, yourself.

And sense of humor? That's your argument? Seriously??! I never said some of that stuff wasn't funny- but yeah, it IS pretty low on the scale of intellectual observations, no matter HOW you slice it. And nobody over the age of four would name their toes- which kind of proves the point of his level of mental maturity and intelligence. Heck, he was even sitting with a bucket over his head, WHILE he was supposed to be navigating the Shellraiser- and MISSED their turn by three blocks! Nope, nothing dumb about that....

Anyone can name their toes. It's not indicative of low intelligence level, just quirkiness.

And he almost passed out all those times because he was f*cking bit. He was physically weak and sick. Your definition of dumb is super skewed.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Um, he only remembered it AFTER he "almost passed out 19 times". His own words. You might want to rethink whom YOU are calling dumb, yourself.

And sense of humor? That's your argument? Seriously??! I never said some of that stuff wasn't funny- but yeah, it IS pretty low on the scale of intellectual observations, no matter HOW you slice it. And nobody over the age of four would name their toes- which kind of proves the point of his level of mental maturity and intelligence. Heck, he was even sitting with a bucket over his head, WHILE he was supposed to be navigating the Shellraiser- and MISSED their turn by three blocks! Nope, nothing dumb about that....

okay....I think you're being a little harsh on Mikey.....

he is immature his bio says it....
so he names his toes XD it lasted literally 10 seconds
and again he has trouble focusing! he gets bored easily! he had the bucket on his head because he was bored!

haven't you ever been so bored that you did stuff you wouldn't normally do? like just lay halfway on the couch or something?

I know he has his dumb moments but he's seriously not that bad.....

it was roughly only 17 dumb moments...and some of those were so quick you barely noticed them.

[Electric]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

okay....I think you're being a little harsh on Mikey.....

he is immature his bio says it....
so he names his toes XD it lasted literally 10 seconds
and again he has trouble focusing! he gets bored easily! he had the bucket on his head because he was bored!

haven't you ever been so bored that you did stuff you wouldn't normally do? like just lay halfway on the couch or something?

I know he has his dumb moments but he's seriously not that bad.....

it was roughly only 17 dumb moments...and some of those were so quick you barely noticed them.

exactly.

yes this series gave him his dumb moments, but most everything else is just him being himself. and its pretty commonly accepted now that this mikey has adhd. so moments that may seem like dumb to people are actually him just not paying attention or being bored

[sirroscoe]

Sure, Mikey may have his dumb moments, but he himself isn't dumb. He just isn't able to pay attention. His attention span is just short. That's it.

But when he DOES pay attention, he's at his most dangerous. You're talking about someone who immediately threw shrunken directly at Shredder AFTER getting knocked and rolled away.

[Technogeek29]

I remember him beating his head all over the place in in effort to focus on pain instead of the effects of the bite mark. but yes Mikey is my 2nd favorite character and he oftens has is blonde moments to be sure. IDW being the exception lately. But yes I'm with Babyturtle on his truly dumb moments, other times he is doing it simply for attention like 2K3 did with Raphael. Its one trait the two seem to share, to be recongnized as an equal amoung the Family. Hopefully not hammed up or overplayed as 2k3 was.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by sirroscoe

Sure, Mikey may have his dumb moments, but he himself isn't dumb. He just isn't able to pay attention. His attention span is just short. That's it.

But when he DOES pay attention, he's at his most dangerous. You're talking about someone who immediately threw shrunken directly at Shredder AFTER getting knocked and rolled away.

man I loved that XD he's also

1) got Shredder with his kusarigama in a creative way~
2) learned Bradford's kata and used it against him (that must have been embarrassing)
3) totally kicked some purple dragon butt without even looking!

*_* just imagine if he was smarter or focused more!? he'd be the strongest!

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Cure

Anyone can name their toes. It's not indicative of low intelligence level, just quirkiness.

And he almost passed out all those times because he was f*cking bit. He was physically weak and sick. Your definition of dumb is super skewed.

Again- it wasn't the passing out part- it was the fact that he couldn't even retain a set of basic instructions! Not even for ten minutes! Geez, do I have to paint a picture?!

There's a MAJOR difference between being immature and bored, and just plain acting stupid. There were more than just those 17 "moments"- heck, I counted at least five of six more in just Parasitica. Sure, most of them are funny, but they are also clear indications that the writers have turned Mikey into the hands-down dunce of the group.

And I'm sorry, but I've never been bored enough to put a bucket on my head and spin around 'til I'm dizzy while I'm supposed to be READING A MAP! Seriously, I think you guys are missing the point that these are things that a normal, fully cognizant individual would know better than to do. Things like that are the reason the Darwin Awards were created..... It's not a question of whether he's ADHD- that's never been in doubt. But he's clearly ADHD with a LEARNING DISABILITY! And some of us simply find that a sad misuse of his potential as an established character. If he's never been made out as that much of an idiot before, why do it now? Because it's funny? Sorry, but that's not a good reason to make him the village idiot.

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Again- it wasn't the passing out part- it was the fact that he couldn't even retain a set of basic instructions! Not even for ten minutes! Geez, do I have to paint a picture?!

There's a MAJOR difference between being immature and bored, and just plain acting stupid. There were more than just those 17 "moments"- heck, I counted at least five of six more in just Parasitica. Sure, most of them are funny, but they are also clear indications that the writers have turned Mikey into the hands-down dunce of the group.

And I'm sorry, but I've never been bored enough to put a bucket on my head and spin around 'til I'm dizzy while I'm supposed to be READING A MAP! Seriously, I think you guys are missing the point that these are things that a normal, fully cognizant individual would know better than to do. Things like that are the reason the Darwin Awards were created..... It's not a question of whether he's ADHD- that's never been in doubt. But he's clearly ADHD with a LEARNING DISABILITY! And some of us simply find that a sad misuse of his potential as an established character. If he's never been made out as that much of an idiot before, why do it now? Because it's funny? Sorry, but that's not a good reason to make him the village idiot.

he's doesn't have a learning disability...just ADHD (unless that counts as one..??) and he's NOT an idiot.

Symptoms of ADHD

There are three different categories of ADHD symptoms: inattention, hyperactivity, impulsivity.

Inattention may not become apparent until a child enters the challenging environment of school. In adults, symptoms of inattention may manifest in work or in social situations.

A person with ADHD may have some or all of the following symptoms:

Difficulty paying attention to details and tendency to make careless mistakes in school or other activities; producing work that is often messy and careless
Easily distracted by irrelevant stimuli and frequently interrupting ongoing tasks to attend to trivial noises or events that are usually ignored by others
Inability to sustain attention on tasks or activities
Difficulty finishing schoolwork or paperwork or performing tasks that require concentration
Frequent shifts from one uncompleted activity to another
Procrastination
Disorganized work habits
Forgetfulness in daily activities (for example, missing appointments, forgetting to bring lunch)
Failure to complete tasks such as homework or chores
Frequent shifts in conversation, not listening to others, not keeping one's mind on conversations, and not following details or rules of activities in social situations
Hyperactivity symptoms may be apparent in very young preschoolers and are nearly always present before the age of seven. Symptoms include:

Fidgeting, squirming when seated
Getting up frequently to walk or run around
Running or climbing excessively when it's inappropriate (in teens this may appear as restlessness)
Having difficulty playing quietly or engaging in quiet leisure activities
Always being 'on the go'
Often talking excessively

this is how he acts.....this is something he needs to improve on, gosh...give him a chance to grow...
and yea I understand Mikey has some dumb moments...but most of them are just his hyperactivity and lack of focus and that's that....


maybe I should slow down XD....I'm getting way to defensive....(he is my fav character)