Howdo you feel about the Casey / April / Donnie love triangle this season? - Page 2

*raph27* · 09-29-2013, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by ThatCollectorGuy

Knowing how genius the writers are with this subplot, they're probably going to mutate APRIL. -_-

...into Mona Lisa, and then Casey will be all "ew she's a turtle im outta here" and hooks up with Karai. Happy ending.

(Wait but what would Leo think...eh, Leo can actually sacrifice himself this time.)

~~Leo656~~ · 09-29-2013, 06:51 PM

To be fair, I'm not saying it'd be *impossible* in an entirely different scenario in an entirely different TMNT universe than this one. But in this one instance, it's pretty close to impossible, and that's why I'm not thrilled with it being given so much weight.

In a TMNT comic or something aimed at an older and entirely different audience, it could play, possibly. All it does in this instance, though, is remove focus, even a little bit, from things more deserving of our attention. Things simply *have* to pay off in a piece of narrative fiction or they're pointless. Donnie getting his heart broken in Season Two, sulking through Season Three, and finally getting over it and becoming a bad-ass in Season Four might be character growth and development, but it's not what I want to see the main (or even a large bit of) character development for his character be. It demeans him greatly, and there's almost no way for April to let him down, gently or otherwise, that won't make her a little less likable to at least some of the audience, especially those who are rooting for the pairing.

I think in the context of this show, both characters can grow bigger and do bigger things the sooner they leave this plotline behind. Some other TMNT universe? Eh, could be. I'm not against the *idea* specifically, just against time being given expanding an angle that realistically can't end well for anyone involved under these circumstances.

Yagami: There is at least some precedent to show that April doesn't necessarily *want* her entire life to be all that. In the final seasons of the OT, she more or less stops hanging out with them once they've finally made her life a bit too inconvenient. I'm not saying I like the idea of her brushing them off or anything, but I do sort of wonder if at some point April might stop, take a serious look at her life, and wonder if her friendship with the Turtles has brought her more harm than good. In real life, "best friends forever" can entirely stop being friends and even never talk again, for far more trivial stuff than what April's been through on account of the Turtles. In some tellings, like the OT, April's own self-interest was equal or greater than her relationship with the Turtles, so it's kind of feasible that one day she might have had enough of them, entirely...

*Shark_Blade* · 09-29-2013, 07:09 PM

Sure, why not.

April torn between two lovers.

*JTH* · 09-29-2013, 07:39 PM

I'm actually going to wait for an episode to actually air before I state my opinion on good or bad.

And based on the trailer and sneak peek of the premiere, they didn't air any Donnie/April mingling, so again, it certainly doesn't appear it is going to be a massive major arc. Just something to fill space in several episodes.

Aaronardo · 09-29-2013, 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jth

I'm actually going to wait for an episode to actually air before I state my opinion on good or bad.

And based on the trailer and sneak peek of the premiere, they didn't air any Donnie/April mingling, so again, it certainly doesn't appear it is going to be a massive major arc. Just something to fill space in several episodes.

Yeah, I suppose that as long they don't absolutely milk the plot, it could make for some pretty funny scenes.

*BabyTurtles* · 09-29-2013, 08:25 PM

Don't want it. I've said it once I've said it a hundred times....it was okay till it got forced.

Flesh April out as a character first before you decided to make her the attraction between two dudes.

(my sister stopped liking Donnie because of the love stuff....)

*Refractive Reflections* · 09-29-2013, 09:13 PM

I just hope this love triangle doesn't overshadow the characters themselves. If it does, it will be a big set back for Donatello's, April's, and Casey's character development, and it will appear as if that triangle is the only thing going on for them.

But as Leo656 said earlier, we'll have to wait a few more seasons to see if the Nick writers effectively played out this love triangle without sacrificing character depth.

Konchadunga · 09-29-2013, 09:56 PM

I'm not as alarmist as some; for example, I don't believe that the love triangle will turn the whole show into a soap opera, but be played for laughs instead. However, being played for laughs and actually being funny are two different things, and I still don't like the idea.

Remember that statement by Peter Laird, that when you show your creation to the fans, it takes on a life of its own that you didn't intend? This Donnie/April thing feels like a big example of that phenomenon. They intended it as a joke, but it went on for so long that it ceased to be funny, and instead wound up either cute or creepy. They recruited an almost brony-calliber periphery of female shippers who take it more seriously than they intended, and although that sentiment among fans is far from universal, it's still big enough that Nick should have left well-enough alone, whether you interpret that to mean not putting this crush thing in to begin with or just not smacking it with a love triangle with the boringly predictable ending.

Instead, they've gone and escalated Don's obsession to the point that he's April's personal hero, and that's a corner they can't write out of easily. If they had ended this relationship thing while it was just awkward and possessive, that would be understandable, but now things are different; now Don's has actually done things to "earn" April, and ruining his triumph is just cold. Either it necessitates having a sad episode where he says goodbye, or they try to make light of that tragedy and end up offensively unfunny. Worse still, in a big way, this thing might never end; only evolve. Even if Don's crush pursuit of April is closed by her getting with Casey, I could see an ongoing animosity between Don and Casey being the new running joke people get sick of. Also, this just hinders April's chances to be her own thing, since most episodes where she plays a big role (and given her gift, there might be many) will likely to call back to the feud.

*Rooish* · 09-29-2013, 10:29 PM

Not that I want April to reciprocate Donnie's crush, but the show's logic doesn't make sense to me. Sure, Don can have a crush on a member of another species and it's not creepy (in Nick's eyes), but to have it reciprocated would be? Why would it be any more creepy to have April have a crush on a different species than it is for Donnie to?

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

I don't know. I still want April to choose Don, but in the final episode so we don't have to see the mushy stuff. And so that Donnie can win.

In no way should someone returning your feelings ever be viewed as "winning."

*Coola Yagami* · 09-29-2013, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Rooish

Not that I want April to reciprocate Donnie's crush, but the show's logic doesn't make sense to me. Sure, Don can have a crush on a member of another species and it's not creepy (in Nick's eyes), but to have it reciprocated would be? Why would it be any more creepy to have April have a crush on a different species than it is for Donnie to?

In no way should someone returning your feelings ever be viewed as "winning."

When someone doesn't return your feelings... You wouldn't consider that losing?

*CyberCubed* · 09-29-2013, 10:45 PM

I don't think some of you know what a love triangle is. April has no "love" for Donnie outside of friendship. That was made clear in Season 1.

Sure Donnie will be jealous of Casey, but it has no basis because April is not torn between them.

*victory_angel* · 09-29-2013, 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't think some of you know what a love triangle is. April has no "love" for Donnie outside of friendship. That was made clear in Season 1.

Sure Donnie will be jealous of Casey, but it has no basis because April is not torn between them.

Rob Paulsen himself has said that April will be torn between two lovers. True April may not think of Donnie as anything beyond a brother and best friend. But he has sort of started to grow on her.

*Shark_Blade* · 09-29-2013, 11:00 PM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

Rob Paulsen himself has said that April will be torn between two lovers. True April may not think of Donnie as anything beyond a brother and best friend. But he has sort of started to grow on her.

I agree.

And also, here's my 2 cents:

With any series or film trilogy, usually the rule is that the pilot a.k.a. first episode is very important and will always be the main story point to be reflected in the finale.

Donnie's crush on April is one of the highlight in the pilot and I feel it is vital in the series and will be reflected upon (sooner or later or) in the end. Most likely April will definitely choose him IMO.

kelligrafie · 09-30-2013, 05:28 AM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

And it's not like April would come out an say she's yiffing a mutant turtle.

'Yiffing'.

*blindturtle02* · 09-30-2013, 06:55 AM

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Originally Posted by JYX

I just hope this love triangle doesn't overshadow the characters themselves. If it does, it will be a big set back for Donatello's, April's, and Casey's character development, and it will appear as if that triangle is the only thing going on for them.

But as Leo656 said earlier, we'll have to wait a few more seasons to see if the Nick writers effectively played out this love triangle without sacrificing character depth.

I bet the triangle is going to be featured in a few scenes mainly for laughs. The story appears to be in pretty good hands so far. But yeah we'll all just have to wait and see how it all pans out.

*TurtleTitan97* · 09-30-2013, 07:10 AM

As long as it doesn't get in the way of the storytelling, I'll be okay with it. I have faith that the writers know what they're doing.

*victory_angel* · 09-30-2013, 11:43 AM

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Originally Posted by kelligrafie

'Yiffing'.

It's an actual Term used in the Furry community. I'm not a Furry fanatic, but I have a friend who is.

Yiff is a term used for having relations with a Furry...or in Donnie's case a Scaly

kelligrafie · 09-30-2013, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by victory_angel

It's an actual Term used in the Furry community. I'm not a Furry fanatic, but I have a friend who is.

Yiff is a term used for having relations with a Furry...or in Donnie's case a Scaly

According to the urban dictionary it also "...originally refers to the sound that foxes make when mating..."

*BabyTurtles* · 09-30-2013, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

As long as it doesn't get in the way of the storytelling, I'll be okay with it. I have faith that the writers know what they're doing.

as long as it doesn't get in the way of storytelling and character growth.....and isn't shown as much >:u (like every time April is on screen..)

kelligrafie · 09-30-2013, 11:51 AM

To be fair, Donnie isn't 100% gooey eyed, simpering 24/7 when April's around. The urges can be controlled as we've seen in season one.

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09-29-2013, 06:51 PM	#22
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	To be fair, I'm not saying it'd be impossible in an entirely different scenario in an entirely different TMNT universe than this one. But in this one instance, it's pretty close to impossible, and that's why I'm not thrilled with it being given so much weight. In a TMNT comic or something aimed at an older and entirely different audience, it could play, possibly. All it does in this instance, though, is remove focus, even a little bit, from things more deserving of our attention. Things simply have to pay off in a piece of narrative fiction or they're pointless. Donnie getting his heart broken in Season Two, sulking through Season Three, and finally getting over it and becoming a bad-ass in Season Four might be character growth and development, but it's not what I want to see the main (or even a large bit of) character development for his character be. It demeans him greatly, and there's almost no way for April to let him down, gently or otherwise, that won't make her a little less likable to at least some of the audience, especially those who are rooting for the pairing. I think in the context of this show, both characters can grow bigger and do bigger things the sooner they leave this plotline behind. Some other TMNT universe? Eh, could be. I'm not against the idea specifically, just against time being given expanding an angle that realistically can't end well for anyone involved under these circumstances. Yagami: There is at least some precedent to show that April doesn't necessarily want her entire life to be all that. In the final seasons of the OT, she more or less stops hanging out with them once they've finally made her life a bit too inconvenient. I'm not saying I like the idea of her brushing them off or anything, but I do sort of wonder if at some point April might stop, take a serious look at her life, and wonder if her friendship with the Turtles has brought her more harm than good. In real life, "best friends forever" can entirely stop being friends and even never talk again, for far more trivial stuff than what April's been through on account of the Turtles. In some tellings, like the OT, April's own self-interest was equal or greater than her relationship with the Turtles, so it's kind of feasible that one day she might have had enough of them, entirely... Last edited by Leo656; 09-29-2013 at 06:57 PM.

09-29-2013, 08:25 PM	#26
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	Don't want it. I've said it once I've said it a hundred times....it was okay till it got forced. Flesh April out as a character first before you decided to make her the attraction between two dudes. (my sister stopped liking Donnie because of the love stuff....) __________________

09-29-2013, 09:13 PM	#27
Refractive Reflections Mad Scientist $Refractive Reflections's Avatar$ Join Date: Nov 2012 Posts: 2,371	I just hope this love triangle doesn't overshadow the characters themselves. If it does, it will be a big set back for Donatello's, April's, and Casey's character development, and it will appear as if that triangle is the only thing going on for them. But as Leo656 said earlier, we'll have to wait a few more seasons to see if the Nick writers effectively played out this love triangle without sacrificing character depth.
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09-29-2013, 09:56 PM	#28
Konchadunga Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Southern California Posts: 912	I'm not as alarmist as some; for example, I don't believe that the love triangle will turn the whole show into a soap opera, but be played for laughs instead. However, being played for laughs and actually being funny are two different things, and I still don't like the idea. Remember that statement by Peter Laird, that when you show your creation to the fans, it takes on a life of its own that you didn't intend? This Donnie/April thing feels like a big example of that phenomenon. They intended it as a joke, but it went on for so long that it ceased to be funny, and instead wound up either cute or creepy. They recruited an almost brony-calliber periphery of female shippers who take it more seriously than they intended, and although that sentiment among fans is far from universal, it's still big enough that Nick should have left well-enough alone, whether you interpret that to mean not putting this crush thing in to begin with or just not smacking it with a love triangle with the boringly predictable ending. Instead, they've gone and escalated Don's obsession to the point that he's April's personal hero, and that's a corner they can't write out of easily. If they had ended this relationship thing while it was just awkward and possessive, that would be understandable, but now things are different; now Don's has actually done things to "earn" April, and ruining his triumph is just cold. Either it necessitates having a sad episode where he says goodbye, or they try to make light of that tragedy and end up offensively unfunny. Worse still, in a big way, this thing might never end; only evolve. Even if Don's crush pursuit of April is closed by her getting with Casey, I could see an ongoing animosity between Don and Casey being the new running joke people get sick of. Also, this just hinders April's chances to be her own thing, since most episodes where she plays a big role (and given her gift, there might be many) will likely to call back to the feud. __________________

09-29-2013, 07:09 PM	#23
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	Sure, why not. April torn between two lovers.

09-29-2013, 07:39 PM	#24
JTH "ME" Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,660	I'm actually going to wait for an episode to actually air before I state my opinion on good or bad. And based on the trailer and sneak peek of the premiere, they didn't air any Donnie/April mingling, so again, it certainly doesn't appear it is going to be a massive major arc. Just something to fill space in several episodes.

09-29-2013, 10:45 PM	#31
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	I don't think some of you know what a love triangle is. April has no "love" for Donnie outside of friendship. That was made clear in Season 1. Sure Donnie will be jealous of Casey, but it has no basis because April is not torn between them.

09-30-2013, 07:10 AM	#36
TurtleTitan97 Space Cowboy Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Speed Force Posts: 7,043	As long as it doesn't get in the way of the storytelling, I'll be okay with it. I have faith that the writers know what they're doing. __________________

09-30-2013, 11:51 AM	#40
kelligrafie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 840	To be fair, Donnie isn't 100% gooey eyed, simpering 24/7 when April's around. The urges can be controlled as we've seen in season one. __________________ "You don't see (Shredder) calling Rahzar 'Chris'." victory_angel "When it's not what I'd like it to be, I still enjoy it." ElectricN