Good Episodes Marred By Replacement Voices.

**Jester** · 10-08-2013, 07:04 PM

I know as a kid when watching my VHS copies of the TMNT episodes I always loathed Mutagen Monster because of Alternate Donnie, but I still liked Cowabunga Shredhead despite Townsend taking over for Pat as Krang....though it is easily the weakest thing in the episode. Other great episodes like, Leatherhead: Terror of the Swamp and Ninja Sword to Nowhere, are also plagued by the fact that season 3 has so many episodes with alternate actors in them.

Is it just my voice acting bias, or is anyone else bothered by great episodes having the wrong Krang, Shredder, Donatello and Bebop, or Raphael

tmnt transformer · 10-08-2013, 07:31 PM

It's hard to watch the Europeian vacation episodes where hard to watch because of Raph's voice...

cryan · 10-08-2013, 07:34 PM

Yeah, the alternate sounds too much like Bob Hope. Paulsen always had great delivery.

RaphAndDonnie · 10-08-2013, 10:02 PM

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Originally Posted by tmnt transformer

It's hard to watch the Europeian vacation episodes where hard to watch because of Raph's voice...

Same for me. I have all of season 7 on DVD and I've only watched the Europen Vacation episodes once because its painful to listen to the alternate Raph voice. Also, is it just me or was Bebop replaced in one of the EV eipsodes? I can't remember which one but it seemed like his voice was off on one of them...

**Jester** · 10-08-2013, 10:05 PM

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Originally Posted by RaphAndDonnie

Same for me. I have all of season 7 on DVD and I've only watched the Europen Vacation episodes once because its painful to listen to the alternate Raph voice. Also, is it just me or was Bebop replaced in one of the EV eipsodes? I can't remember which one but it seemed like his voice was off on one of them...

If Bebop was, so was Donatello...I'm sure there's one where Raph, Don,Bebop and Shredder are all alternates in the EV arc.

tmnt transformer · 10-08-2013, 10:17 PM

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Originally Posted by RaphAndDonnie

Same for me. I have all of season 7 on DVD and I've only watched the Europen Vacation episodes once because its painful to listen to the alternate Raph voice. Also, is it just me or was Bebop replaced in one of the EV eipsodes? I can't remember which one but it seemed like his voice was off on one of them...

Funny that you say that.... I've done the same thing...

Luke795 · 10-09-2013, 03:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Jester

If Bebop was, so was Donatello...I'm sure there's one where Raph, Don,Bebop and Shredder are all alternates in the EV arc.

That episode is Ring of Fire.

*Icebot* · 10-09-2013, 04:59 AM

I liked Shredder's replacement in red sky and Raphael's season 10 replacement.

Walkabout · 10-09-2013, 07:37 AM

They've put 2 episodes of the OT on back to back in the dead of night free to air here, just recently saw Cowabunga Shredhead and Leatherhead: Terror of... as it happens.

As a kid it really affected my enjoyment of the cartoon that this would happen in, be it TMNT or others (Inspector Gadget comes to mind, I hated the guy that wasn't Don Adams!)

**Jester** · 10-09-2013, 09:07 AM

But...that was....Maurice "The Brain" LaMarche...I assume. He's become the official voice of Gadget since Don's death.

*pannoni1* · 10-09-2013, 10:10 AM

Some of the EV episodes were pretty weak though no matter what the voice was, namely "Artless" and "Northern Lights Out." But then you had good episodes like "Tower of Power" and "Turtles on the Orient Express" where Jim Cummings replacing James Avery for most of the EV in addition to the replacement Raph takes away some of the charm.

The Turtle Terminator is a pretty good takeoff on the movie franchise that was ruined by replacement Don/Raphs.

I thought Krang was a little sick in "Cowabunga Shredhead" due to his voice when I was watching it (I could still believe it due to how great Pat Fraley is as a voice actor).

But to me the episodes that were the most ruined due to alternate voices were the later CBS Season 7 episodes with Shredder, namely "Night of the Rogues", "Dirk Savage", "Invasion of the Krangazoids", and "Shredder Triumphant". You can tell Townsend Coleman just can't do a good Shredder impression nearly as much as Uncle Phil can do a Michelangelo impression!

ryukenden · 10-09-2013, 11:03 AM

Never really did like any episode where Barry Gordon nor Rob Paulsen weren't voicing Don and Raph. Return of the Fly was one example when Don didn't sound the same but Bebop however did. Barry must have had time to do only Bebop for that episode. Townsend was an awful Krang, he should stick with being Mikey. I think Michael Gough did an okay Raph even though I had a tough time sitting through the last two seasons. In Leatherhead's debut episode, was that Kevin Michael Richardson standing in for Shredder? Kind of funny as he is voicing Shredder full-time now on the 2K12 show.

*CyberCubed* · 10-09-2013, 11:16 AM

The voices never ruined an episode for me. "The Ninja Sword of Nowhere" is one of my favorite episodes of the show yet its Raph's alternate voice at its worst.

Also is it just me or did anyone else not mind Shredder's alternate voice as much as the Turtles? Whenever Raph or Don had alternates I was disappointed, but I could tolerate all the alternate Shredder voices in the series. None of them had the same pitch or range James Avery did, but they didn't bother me.

*NinjaMan* · 10-09-2013, 11:19 AM

I hated when they that. I remember quite a few 80s toons doing that even bothered me when I was a kid. My 4 year old when we watched the Mutagen monster asked me Daddy, what's wrong with Donnie's voice on our first viewing LOL. She told me she didn't like his new voice and wanted the old one back.

*blindturtle02* · 10-09-2013, 12:34 PM

Ain't that the truth Jester? Whenever I hear Greg Berg as alternate Don, all I can think of is Muppet Babies since he did Fozzie and Scooter in that one. Jim Cummings and Dorean Harewood were pretty good alternate Shredders. Whoever the guy in season 8 and 10 was did ok as well. Hal Rayle's Raph though. That's a little hard to swallow. I'm being polite lol. It's rumored that Rayle did the vocals for Predator in P2 back in the 90's. Just some of the swears and a few grunts here and there. I wish I could get that confirmed because that'd just be insane. A turtle who leads a double-life. Turtle one day, big game hunting alien the next. Who knew? He also did some voices in that Toxic Crusaders animated series. I liked that show and pity it was only 13 episodes or so. He's a pretty neat voiceover guy but Raph he ain't!

Becca and I are watching 7th Heaven and I came across Dorean Harewood in a live action role not too long ago. He plays some pastor buddy of Eric Camden in that one. So I was like,"Hey babe, Shredder's gone into the ministry!" We both like playing that I Spy game-- her picking out actors she recognizes visually and me doing it auditorily. But I had her shaking her head on that one until I explained he was a Shredhead alternate.

**Jester** · 10-09-2013, 03:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ryukenden

Never really did like any episode where Barry Gordon nor Rob Paulsen weren't voicing Don and Raph. Return of the Fly was one example when Don didn't sound the same but Bebop however did. Barry must have had time to do only Bebop for that episode. Townsend was an awful Krang, he should stick with being Mikey. I think Michael Gough did an okay Raph even though I had a tough time sitting through the last two seasons. In Leatherhead's debut episode, was that Kevin Michael Richardson standing in for Shredder? Kind of funny as he is voicing Shredder full-time now on the 2K12 show.

Bebop's just easier to mimic than Donatello (as Donnie is just Barry's normal voice.) When Donatello is Greg Berg...so is Bebop. As for Shredder it is Dorian Harewood. Dorian, oddly enough, also replaced James Avery as War Machine in the 90's Iron Man series.

BT, as kind a odd note, Rob Paulsen did voice over for Aliens action figures where he played one of the characters, Hicks. I misrememberd it as Predator...but the 2 franchises have crossed over before.

Luke795 · 10-09-2013, 05:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Walkabout

They've put 2 episodes of the OT on back to back in the dead of night free to air here, just recently saw Cowabunga Shredhead and Leatherhead: Terror of... as it happens.

As a kid it really affected my enjoyment of the cartoon that this would happen in, be it TMNT or others (Inspector Gadget comes to mind, I hated the guy that wasn't Don Adams!)

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Originally Posted by Jester

But...that was....Maurice "The Brain" LaMarche...I assume. He's become the official voice of Gadget since Don's death.

Frank Welker didn't voice Dr. Claw, Brain, and MAD Cat for 4 episodes and Frank Welker wasn't even listed in the credits of the Season 2 episodes, but Dr. Claw, Brain, and MAD Cat sounded like Frank Welker.

*blindturtle02* · 10-09-2013, 05:16 PM

Oh yeah I remember him as Hicks! I loved those commercials. My friends all thought I was nuts and dismissed the connection though. Those days in the dark ages before everyone had Internet access were trying times indeed! haha Good times nonetheless.

*pannoni1* · 10-09-2013, 06:55 PM

I sort of miss the days when credits wouldn't list who would voice who, unless if it was a celebrity voice. Muppet Babies was one of the first cartoons to change this practice, but it wasn't until about ten years ago (think 2k3) when pretty much every show listed each voice actor, and some animated feature movies started the practice, rather directly (Transformers, My Little Pony) or indirectly (The He-Man movie shows the principal character that each voice actor voiced in the opening credits). It also allowed more freedom to have replacement voices by just indicating all the voice actors for a particular season. But the OT turned out to initiate the transition, even if the credits never indicated. In 1990, the production company released a press photo that indicated which character each actor voiced. Some people were aware that James Avery had left the show before the series ended in the early days of the Internet. It was only released to TV stations so most never knew until people had the Internet. But that was a time that people (even adults) didn't care about who voiced a particular character and took it as the character being a bit "sick" or having "laryngitis". After all, whenever a replacement voice actor fills in, he/she needs to fill the regulars' shoes by understanding the characters' background as much as by the original actor, along with providing a voice that makes the audience believe that it comes from the same person. But some of those voices were so different that it felt like a totally different character. I feel that finding out who did the voice is only for those who really want to find out, and in the pre-Internet days that could have meant writing to your local TV station or an entertainment magazine.

*CyberCubed* · 10-09-2013, 08:39 PM

Raphael's Season 10 voice was thankfully a good impression of Rob Paulsen's. Couldn't stand the Season 3 and Euro eps for Raph.....so thank god they didn't use him for Season 10.

I actually wish the guy from Season 10 did Raph in the earlier episodes that Paulsen missed...it would have been easier to get through the Euro episodes.

10-08-2013, 07:04 PM	#1
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Good Episodes Marred By Replacement Voices. I know as a kid when watching my VHS copies of the TMNT episodes I always loathed Mutagen Monster because of Alternate Donnie, but I still liked Cowabunga Shredhead despite Townsend taking over for Pat as Krang....though it is easily the weakest thing in the episode. Other great episodes like, Leatherhead: Terror of the Swamp and Ninja Sword to Nowhere, are also plagued by the fact that season 3 has so many episodes with alternate actors in them. Is it just my voice acting bias, or is anyone else bothered by great episodes having the wrong Krang, Shredder, Donatello and Bebop, or Raphael __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

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10-09-2013, 09:07 AM	#10
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	But...that was....Maurice "The Brain" LaMarche...I assume. He's become the official voice of Gadget since Don's death. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

10-09-2013, 10:10 AM	#11
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	Some of the EV episodes were pretty weak though no matter what the voice was, namely "Artless" and "Northern Lights Out." But then you had good episodes like "Tower of Power" and "Turtles on the Orient Express" where Jim Cummings replacing James Avery for most of the EV in addition to the replacement Raph takes away some of the charm. The Turtle Terminator is a pretty good takeoff on the movie franchise that was ruined by replacement Don/Raphs. I thought Krang was a little sick in "Cowabunga Shredhead" due to his voice when I was watching it (I could still believe it due to how great Pat Fraley is as a voice actor). But to me the episodes that were the most ruined due to alternate voices were the later CBS Season 7 episodes with Shredder, namely "Night of the Rogues", "Dirk Savage", "Invasion of the Krangazoids", and "Shredder Triumphant". You can tell Townsend Coleman just can't do a good Shredder impression nearly as much as Uncle Phil can do a Michelangelo impression! __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power! Last edited by pannoni1; 10-09-2013 at 06:07 PM.

10-08-2013, 07:34 PM	#3
cryan Stone Warrior Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Athens,AL Posts: 743	Yeah, the alternate sounds too much like Bob Hope. Paulsen always had great delivery.

10-09-2013, 07:37 AM	#9
Walkabout Stone Warrior Join Date: Mar 2010 Posts: 556	They've put 2 episodes of the OT on back to back in the dead of night free to air here, just recently saw Cowabunga Shredhead and Leatherhead: Terror of... as it happens. As a kid it really affected my enjoyment of the cartoon that this would happen in, be it TMNT or others (Inspector Gadget comes to mind, I hated the guy that wasn't Don Adams!)

10-09-2013, 11:03 AM	#12
ryukenden Hench Mutant Join Date: Dec 2009 Posts: 383	Never really did like any episode where Barry Gordon nor Rob Paulsen weren't voicing Don and Raph. Return of the Fly was one example when Don didn't sound the same but Bebop however did. Barry must have had time to do only Bebop for that episode. Townsend was an awful Krang, he should stick with being Mikey. I think Michael Gough did an okay Raph even though I had a tough time sitting through the last two seasons. In Leatherhead's debut episode, was that Kevin Michael Richardson standing in for Shredder? Kind of funny as he is voicing Shredder full-time now on the 2K12 show.

10-09-2013, 11:16 AM	#13
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	The voices never ruined an episode for me. "The Ninja Sword of Nowhere" is one of my favorite episodes of the show yet its Raph's alternate voice at its worst. Also is it just me or did anyone else not mind Shredder's alternate voice as much as the Turtles? Whenever Raph or Don had alternates I was disappointed, but I could tolerate all the alternate Shredder voices in the series. None of them had the same pitch or range James Avery did, but they didn't bother me.

10-09-2013, 11:19 AM	#14
NinjaMan Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,579	I hated when they that. I remember quite a few 80s toons doing that even bothered me when I was a kid. My 4 year old when we watched the Mutagen monster asked me Daddy, what's wrong with Donnie's voice on our first viewing LOL. She told me she didn't like his new voice and wanted the old one back.

10-09-2013, 12:34 PM	#15
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	Ain't that the truth Jester? Whenever I hear Greg Berg as alternate Don, all I can think of is Muppet Babies since he did Fozzie and Scooter in that one. Jim Cummings and Dorean Harewood were pretty good alternate Shredders. Whoever the guy in season 8 and 10 was did ok as well. Hal Rayle's Raph though. That's a little hard to swallow. I'm being polite lol. It's rumored that Rayle did the vocals for Predator in P2 back in the 90's. Just some of the swears and a few grunts here and there. I wish I could get that confirmed because that'd just be insane. A turtle who leads a double-life. Turtle one day, big game hunting alien the next. Who knew? He also did some voices in that Toxic Crusaders animated series. I liked that show and pity it was only 13 episodes or so. He's a pretty neat voiceover guy but Raph he ain't! Becca and I are watching 7th Heaven and I came across Dorean Harewood in a live action role not too long ago. He plays some pastor buddy of Eric Camden in that one. So I was like,"Hey babe, Shredder's gone into the ministry!" We both like playing that I Spy game-- her picking out actors she recognizes visually and me doing it auditorily. But I had her shaking her head on that one until I explained he was a Shredhead alternate. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it. Last edited by blindturtle02; 10-09-2013 at 12:39 PM.

10-09-2013, 05:16 PM	#18
blindturtle02 Foot Elite Join Date: Sep 2013 Location: Tx Posts: 2,627	Oh yeah I remember him as Hicks! I loved those commercials. My friends all thought I was nuts and dismissed the connection though. Those days in the dark ages before everyone had Internet access were trying times indeed! haha Good times nonetheless. __________________ Please don't remove my nice hat and wack me in the butt with it.

10-09-2013, 06:55 PM	#19
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	I sort of miss the days when credits wouldn't list who would voice who, unless if it was a celebrity voice. Muppet Babies was one of the first cartoons to change this practice, but it wasn't until about ten years ago (think 2k3) when pretty much every show listed each voice actor, and some animated feature movies started the practice, rather directly (Transformers, My Little Pony) or indirectly (The He-Man movie shows the principal character that each voice actor voiced in the opening credits). It also allowed more freedom to have replacement voices by just indicating all the voice actors for a particular season. But the OT turned out to initiate the transition, even if the credits never indicated. In 1990, the production company released a press photo that indicated which character each actor voiced. Some people were aware that James Avery had left the show before the series ended in the early days of the Internet. It was only released to TV stations so most never knew until people had the Internet. But that was a time that people (even adults) didn't care about who voiced a particular character and took it as the character being a bit "sick" or having "laryngitis". After all, whenever a replacement voice actor fills in, he/she needs to fill the regulars' shoes by understanding the characters' background as much as by the original actor, along with providing a voice that makes the audience believe that it comes from the same person. But some of those voices were so different that it felt like a totally different character. I feel that finding out who did the voice is only for those who really want to find out, and in the pre-Internet days that could have meant writing to your local TV station or an entertainment magazine. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

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CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,869	Raphael's Season 10 voice was thankfully a good impression of Rob Paulsen's. Couldn't stand the Season 3 and Euro eps for Raph.....so thank god they didn't use him for Season 10. I actually wish the guy from Season 10 did Raph in the earlier episodes that Paulsen missed...it would have been easier to get through the Euro episodes.