Buffy the Vampire Slayer/Angel

[Krutch]

Yeah, I'm making a thread about it. So what?

I love this sh*t. I brush my teeth to it.

[TurtleTitan97]

I love Buffy the Vampire Slayer. After watching the first episode, I was hooked. Haven't gotten around to Angel yet, but I probably will after finishing Buffy.

[dkram230]

I like that new show The Crazy Ones with Sarah Michelle Gellar. My wife and I can never remember her name in the show so we just call her Buffy.

[CyberCubed]

Buffy was only good for the first 5 seasons. The last two seasons ranged from average to terrible, with the only redeeming episodes being the musical and the Dark Willow stuff.

Season 6 was pretty awful for the most part, and by Season 7 it felt the show had run its course.

Looking back at it now though I hate what they did to the majority of the characters. Xander became a loser, Willow turned lesbian, Giles became useless, Cordelia became some sort of god and then died (wtf?) during Angel, and the side characters like Oz, Riley, Anya, Tara, etc. were all either killed off and became throwaway.

[Blossombrooks]

Man, I love Buffy and Angel! I was nothing short of obsessed back in the day. I have almost as much Buffy stuff as I do tmnt.

Cubed, Xander did not become a loser, he was a hero! Giles lost the will, and who wouldn't surrounded by that much death? So what if Willow was gay, I really liked how her relationship with Tara developed. I was really upset when Anya died, I'd really gotten to like her and her strange/blunt/hilarious ways. I'll grant you the Cordelia becoming a god etc was a bit odd and her being written out could have happened better.

I'll spoiler this bit so I don't ruin it for Turtle Titan, but TT Angel is well worth a watch.

Spoiler:

Fred's death and subsequent possession by Illyria was heartbreaking!!

In fact I guess it's partly the balance of heartbreak and bittersweet triumph which kept me so addicted to the shows.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Blossombrooks

M
Cubed, Xander did not become a loser, he was a hero!

Xander abandons Anya on the wedding day, and spends most of Season 7 not really doing much of anything. Xander was my favorite character at the beginning of the series, I couldn't stand how they handled him.

So what if Willow was gay, I really liked how her relationship with Tara developed.

Willow being lesbian wasn't the problem, its that both Tara and Kennedy were boring characters. Willow getting over Tara's death so fast was disgusting.

I was really upset when Anya died, I'd really gotten to like her and her strange/blunt/hilarious ways. I'll grant you the Cordelia becoming a god etc was a bit odd and her being written out could have happened better.

I hated what happened to Cordelia. Once we hit Season 3 of Angel the writers had no clue what to do with her anymore.

[Krutch]

I love Season 6. Maybe because when I watched it I was going through alot of sh*t, but it hit all the right notes for me. But I can see why its so divided. Alot of the fun was sucked out of the show since each character's arc were going to darker and darker places. Which I have to assume is why they had The Trio be the season long threat, to balance out the seriousness the Scoobies were all going through. And it ended with such a sweet note, having mere words bring down the ultimate force of evil. Loved it.

Season 7 is pretty much universally known as the weakest one. The ending was good, but getting there was a pretty stale journey.

There's alot to love in both shows.

Season 1 of Angel had a hard time finding its footing in my opinion. I rarely rewatch it. So sad it was cancelled right when it felt the show was getting into setting up a fresh start with things. And the possibilities of the Spike/Angel rivalry could have been amazing. But ah well.

Also, Lorne is pretty much the greatest character ever to grace television

[Blossombrooks]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Willow being lesbian wasn't the problem, its that both Tara and Kennedy were boring characters. Willow getting over Tara's death so fast was disgusting.

Tara was sweet and naive, she was very much a reflection of Willow in season 1 but I agree with you about Kennedy.

Willow didn't get over Tara quickly, she went on the magic bender to end all magic benders and almost destroyed the world with her pain. She was sent away for a while and even when she returned she still loved Tara. When the first spoke through Cassie as 'Tara' to Willow that was obvious.

Oh my gosh, I love Lorne! Now he was great, added some often needed light to a dark show. Ha, those fabulous suits.

[Candy Kappa]

I love all things Buffy, even the horribly butchered original movie.

[CyberCubed]

They continued Buffy in comic form with Seasons 8 and 9.

Everything I've heard about the Buffy comics makes me want to stay away though. Sounds like a bunch of terrible storylines with the worst being Xander and Dawn becoming a couple. Good god.

[Krutch]

Yeah, i started reading it but bailed. It just didn't feel like Buffy in the least bit. Dawn even became a Centaur for a bit.

Let that sink in.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Yeah, i started reading it but bailed. It just didn't feel like Buffy in the least bit. Dawn even became a Centaur for a bit.

Let that sink in.

LOL. Didn't Giles also die in the comics? I think I remember reading that somewhere.

What also bothers me is it takes place after the Angel series ended too, so it basically says Angel, Spike and Fred survive the end of Season 5 of that show.

[TheBlueTurtle1]

I love these shows, just finished angel season 1, such a shame about Doyle

[TheCanadiandrome]

Great shows, love em both! Glad I can relive all my fave eps on Netflix whenever I want

[TheAnvil]

I'm currently watching through Buffy and Angel for the first time ever. I've finished the first 4 Seasons of Buffy and Season 1 of Angel (I found a really nifty guide online that tells you which order to watch the episodes in).

They're both such good shows, it's ridiculously hard to pick favorite characters. Faith, Buffy, Angel, Xander, Doyle and Spike are all such amazing characters (I too am so bummed about them killing off Doyle, he had so much potential).

After reading that they nearly did a Faith spin off and that it never materialized I'm really disappointed as she could have definitely carried a show. A lot of the episodes that have her in have been some of the best that I've seen. Generally speaking the best run of episodes has been Season 3 of Buffy, and I think a lot of that is in part thanks to Faith. The overall story with the mayor, having the Scooby's consisting of Buffy, Xander, Giles, Angel, Cordy, Oz and for a while Faith was really cool (but man is Willow annoying). Though it's quite hard to top the first 9 episodes of Angel.

So far, my favorite episodes have been "The Zeppo" from Buffy and "I Will Remember You" from Angel (that ending).

I wish they'd been able to follow through with Doyle and bring him back as a big bad in a later season (which they had planned to do until Glenn Quinn died ).

[Krutch]

Yeah, I was bummed out about Doyle leaving too, as he was the best part of season 1 in my opinion. And being replaced by Wesley was a bit "ugh, really?". But give it time. Wesley slowly became the best part of the show. His transition from goofy comedic relief to broken down badass was a joy to see. Fred's also a big plus; just don't judge her on her first(rather annoying) few appearances.

[CyberCubed]

Wesley was one of the best characters of the show. Amazing how they changed his character so much.

In real life Alysson Hannigan and Wesley got married and had two kids together.

[TheCanadiandrome]

Wesley annoyed me allot on that show

[TheAnvil]

Originally Posted by Krutch

Yeah, I was bummed out about Doyle leaving too, as he was the best part of season 1 in my opinion. And being replaced by Wesley was a bit "ugh, really?". But give it time. Wesley slowly became the best part of the show. His transition from goofy comedic relief to broken down badass was a joy to see. Fred's also a big plus; just don't judge her on her first(rather annoying) few appearances.

I didn't like Wes when he was on Buffy, but he's really grown on me so far. I think the team would have been awesome with Angel, Cordy, Wes and Doyle. I'm not that keen on Gunn so far though. I don't hate him but he seems like a weird addition to the group.

I don't know who Fred is (yet). I've already taking a distinct dislike towards Lorne though.

It would have been a good idea to have revived Doyle at the end of Season 1 as an evil guy instead of Darla.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by TheAnvil

It would have been a good idea to have revived Doyle at the end of Season 1 as an evil guy instead of Darla.

You do realize the actor who played Doyle died while the show was till airing, right? I can't remember the exact year it was, but he died only a year or two after he left the show.