Why do long-time fans still have mixed reactions to Nick's TMNT?

bwrosas · 11-19-2013, 04:15 PM

Why long-time fans still have a mixed reaction to the "NEW" TMNT cartoon on Nickelodeon.

Now I will give them credit for creating some orginal ideas and characters for this new incarnation on the turtles. As well as adding some new twists to some already established ideas and character backgrounds.

However, while there is some/alot of good ideas and twists in the show, There are some not so good ideas.

For example, and most notably, turning characters like April, Casey and Kirai into teenagers. Now one can probably understand why they did it, especially in this current time period. But any long-time fan could/can see it as a turn-off to the new show.

The reason being, is because (IMO) some long-time fans (like myself) just can't see them as teenagers. Especially now with the 2nd season and The writers having April not wanting anything to do with turtles because she's mad at them for what happen to her father. To older fans like myself, that's not April.

What I'm saying, is sure April has be mad at the turtles before, if not frustrated at them, but not to the point that she completely shuts herself off from them (until this cartoon came around and had it happen).

Now if Nick wants to go with a realistic reason for this, and say she's going through teenage girl emotions, then that would make her anger towards them, make a little more sense. But this current way? No, that doesn't really make sense.

And for what reason could they be doing This? To possibly start a love/relationship rivalry triangle between Donnie and Casey with April stuck in the middle? May seem that way. Because just recently, in this version, April has to tutor Casey to help get his grades up, so he can remain on the High School hockey team. And it's during all this, that Donnie finds out about him and in turn, Casey finds out about mutants. So yeah, I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure where this maybe leading towards. (I guess Donnie vs Casey will replace Raphael vs Casey in this version)

Now, again, don't get me wrong, this incarnation has some good stuff in it, that's for damn sure. But it just that there are certain elements and characters that long-time and even new fans from the past decade (2003-2010 series) just don't agree with.

Once again, we can understand and respect why certain changes were made, it's just for some fans of the past 30 years (27 for the cartoons) it just doesn't connect well with them.

And then add in the fact that next year, along with their airing of this show, that Nickelodeon via Paramount will be releasing a live-action/CGI movie, that seems to be somewhat based off the 1989-1996 cartoon. So if you think the 30 year fans are mixed about this new cartoon, which is currently in it's second season, then just imagine the mixed reaction of the newer younger fans of the new series when this movie comes out next year.

Overall, the new TMNT show is good, it just has some things that long-time fans look at with an understanding , yet mixed reaction, that is all.

*CyberCubed* · 11-19-2013, 04:22 PM

This thread needs to be locked.

**Jester** · 11-19-2013, 04:30 PM

1. Ciro explained that de-aging April made her more of a contemporary and also freed her to be involved, as she didn't have a 9-5 job.
2. Getting your dad back from his evil alien abductors only to have him mutate into a giant bat-mutant would probably piss anyone off. Add to it the people "responcible" are your "friends" and it could make you want to disconnect from them. Makes sense to me without any "teenage girl emotions". That's human emotions.
3. Yes...they're building for a Donnie/Casey rivalry. Just another change is all.

(Side note: To post youtube videos, just use the 11 characters after the v= in the URL, like so...)

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Edit: Wait? Did you created this thread to pimp your youtube videos? le sigh.

*CyberCubed* · 11-19-2013, 04:31 PM

The funny thing is I haven't seen anyone bothered by April/Casey/Karai being teenagers in this show, as it fits the universe.

Where the **** is this thread coming from?

*Cowabunga Carl* · 11-19-2013, 04:36 PM

Okay, wow not sure how to respond to this one. I mean really? Really you are venturing to speak for long time fans? If you are going to post your views then do that, but don't venture to say you are speaking for all.

I know there are a lot of "long time fans" who love the new show. So not sure where you getting your facts that all are like you.

Plus pimping your own videos, nice.

SpiderFly · 11-19-2013, 05:15 PM

I'm not a long-time tmnt fan so I don't know if my reply would be helpful to you but . . . I like that Casey, April, and Karai are younger. I don't think it would be any better or worse than them being older. It's just a different scenario to rehash and explore which is what makes the tmnt stories so fun. Why rebooting them doesn't get old. If you have the same old, same old (not that there's anything wrong with the old) then things just get stale. Not to mention it just makes more sense.

Adult April would have a job. Karai's age would have to make sense if they want to make her a brainwashed Miwa. And if April's an adult, then it is only going to be silly if Casey is this normalish buff guy in hockey gear, running around with a group of teenage vigilantes and a teenage girl. (then again they are mutant ninja turtles)

Before the Nick toon did anyone ask the question, "What if these guys had met each other at a younger age? That would be fun to explore." I would find it hard to believe that nobody would entertain thoughts like that.

Karai Samurai · 11-19-2013, 05:16 PM

First of all, welcome to the forum!

And, yeah, this topic has debated a million times. The general consensus is that long-time fans have a mixed reaction to the show because it's different. Also, plenty of old fans love this show, alongside new fans like me. I don't think you can speak for all of them.

bwrosas · 11-19-2013, 05:18 PM

Look I understand what you all saying. It just feels a little weird for a long-time fan [like me] to get adjusted to the new changes. (Even if [others] do love the show for what it is)

*Cowabunga Carl* · 11-19-2013, 05:20 PM

As Splinter has said in almost all versions, "Change is constant."

*CyberCubed* · 11-19-2013, 05:20 PM

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Originally Posted by bwrosas

Look I understand what you all saying. It just feels a little weird for a long-time fan (imo) to get adjusted to the new changes. (Even if they do love the show for what it is)

Virtually all of us are long-time fans and we got used to the changes from the first episode.

Bossa Nova · 11-19-2013, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

The funny thing is I haven't seen anyone bothered by April/Casey/Karai being teenagers in this show, as it fits the universe.

Where the **** is this thread coming from?

You haven't seen anyone bothered by these changes? You obviously haven't looked...well, anywhere.

Edit: Also, Spiderfly, up till now April, Casey and Karai have all been young adults in some form, and their age has never really been an issue when it comes to interacting with the turtles.

**Jester** · 11-19-2013, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Virtually all of us are long-time fans and we got used to the changes from the first episode.

Right....like how someone couldn't get their brain around a queen bee Kraang Prime, but was overjoyed when she was revealed to be a he.

SpiderFly · 11-19-2013, 05:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Bossa Nova

Edit: Also, Spiderfly, up till now April, Casey and Karai have all been young adults in some form, and their age has never really been an issue when it comes to interacting with the turtles.

I'd like to think an adult April would have a different relationship with the turtles than a teenage April would.

Or, though not happening, if the turtle tots had met a littler April, what kind of relationship would they have? (as cute as that would be)

But my mind runs off in all sorts of directions.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-19-2013, 05:59 PM

I can understand his points, but dude... pimping your videos kinda makes you lose all credibility. I do understand the changes affect the storylines, but I can where some fans might have to adjust to all this teenage stuff when in past versions not even the turtles themselves acted like teenagers.

Cybercubed, you have to learn to let people voice their opinion. Kinda sick of you automatically saying 'someone needs to lock this thread' the moment someone starts something you don't like to hear. The day you become a mod, I'm walking out. Mark my words.

*BabyTurtles* · 11-19-2013, 06:44 PM

im pretty much fine with April being younger

..........but I'd be lying if this while DonniexApril thing isn't the mole of TMNT for me........(I complain about it waaay too much)

I think we will see Raph and Casey being friends *_*

*chrisdude* · 11-19-2013, 06:55 PM

I must have missed the part when long-time fans had a mixed reaction.

Or when any sizable portion of the fanbase had anything negative to say. If people here are cool with it, long-time fans are cool with it.

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I think we will see Raph and Casey being friends *_*

I want this more than anything.

*Coola Yagami* · 11-19-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by chrisdude

I must have missed the part when long-time fans had a mixed reaction.

Or when any sizable portion of the fanbase had anything negative to say. If people here are cool with it, long-time fans are cool with it.

I want this more than anything.

There's a whole world outside this forum ya know.

*CyberCubed* · 11-19-2013, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

There's a whole world outside this forum ya know.

Most people are fine with it.

**Jester** · 11-19-2013, 07:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Most people are fine with it.

Indeed, most of the most negative reactions are from Youtube commenters...but then almost everything in youtube comments is negative

Toby Barrett · 11-19-2013, 07:07 PM

It's just Brian Walmer. He posts his crappy videos in pretty much any fandom message board he can. Best to just ignore him.

11-19-2013, 04:15 PM	#1
bwrosas Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 32	Why do long-time fans still have mixed reactions to Nick's TMNT? Why long-time fans still have a mixed reaction to the "NEW" TMNT cartoon on Nickelodeon. Now I will give them credit for creating some orginal ideas and characters for this new incarnation on the turtles. As well as adding some new twists to some already established ideas and character backgrounds. However, while there is some/alot of good ideas and twists in the show, There are some not so good ideas. For example, and most notably, turning characters like April, Casey and Kirai into teenagers. Now one can probably understand why they did it, especially in this current time period. But any long-time fan could/can see it as a turn-off to the new show. The reason being, is because (IMO) some long-time fans (like myself) just can't see them as teenagers. Especially now with the 2nd season and The writers having April not wanting anything to do with turtles because she's mad at them for what happen to her father. To older fans like myself, that's not April. What I'm saying, is sure April has be mad at the turtles before, if not frustrated at them, but not to the point that she completely shuts herself off from them (until this cartoon came around and had it happen). Now if Nick wants to go with a realistic reason for this, and say she's going through teenage girl emotions, then that would make her anger towards them, make a little more sense. But this current way? No, that doesn't really make sense. And for what reason could they be doing This? To possibly start a love/relationship rivalry triangle between Donnie and Casey with April stuck in the middle? May seem that way. Because just recently, in this version, April has to tutor Casey to help get his grades up, so he can remain on the High School hockey team. And it's during all this, that Donnie finds out about him and in turn, Casey finds out about mutants. So yeah, I don't think you need to be a rocket scientist to figure where this maybe leading towards. (I guess Donnie vs Casey will replace Raphael vs Casey in this version) Now, again, don't get me wrong, this incarnation has some good stuff in it, that's for damn sure. But it just that there are certain elements and characters that long-time and even new fans from the past decade (2003-2010 series) just don't agree with. Once again, we can understand and respect why certain changes were made, it's just for some fans of the past 30 years (27 for the cartoons) it just doesn't connect well with them. And then add in the fact that next year, along with their airing of this show, that Nickelodeon via Paramount will be releasing a live-action/CGI movie, that seems to be somewhat based off the 1989-1996 cartoon. So if you think the 30 year fans are mixed about this new cartoon, which is currently in it's second season, then just imagine the mixed reaction of the newer younger fans of the new series when this movie comes out next year. Overall, the new TMNT show is good, it just has some things that long-time fans look at with an understanding , yet mixed reaction, that is all. Last edited by Venom; 11-19-2013 at 11:18 PM.

11-19-2013, 05:16 PM	#7
Karai Samurai Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2013 Location: the school with the turtle mascot Posts: 176	First of all, welcome to the forum! And, yeah, this topic has debated a million times. The general consensus is that long-time fans have a mixed reaction to the show because it's different. Also, plenty of old fans love this show, alongside new fans like me. I don't think you can speak for all of them. __________________

11-19-2013, 05:18 PM	#8
bwrosas Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2013 Posts: 32	Look I understand what you all saying. It just feels a little weird for a long-time fan [like me] to get adjusted to the new changes. (Even if [others] do love the show for what it is) Last edited by Venom; 11-19-2013 at 11:25 PM. Reason: brackets added for clarification

11-19-2013, 05:59 PM	#14
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,703	I can understand his points, but dude... pimping your videos kinda makes you lose all credibility. I do understand the changes affect the storylines, but I can where some fans might have to adjust to all this teenage stuff when in past versions not even the turtles themselves acted like teenagers. Cybercubed, you have to learn to let people voice their opinion. Kinda sick of you automatically saying 'someone needs to lock this thread' the moment someone starts something you don't like to hear. The day you become a mod, I'm walking out. Mark my words. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

11-19-2013, 06:44 PM	#15
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	im pretty much fine with April being younger ..........but I'd be lying if this while DonniexApril thing isn't the mole of TMNT for me........(I complain about it waaay too much) I think we will see Raph and Casey being friends _ __________________

11-19-2013, 04:22 PM	#2
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,841	This thread needs to be locked.

11-19-2013, 04:31 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,841	The funny thing is I haven't seen anyone bothered by April/Casey/Karai being teenagers in this show, as it fits the universe. Where the **** is this thread coming from?

11-19-2013, 04:36 PM	#5
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	Okay, wow not sure how to respond to this one. I mean really? Really you are venturing to speak for long time fans? If you are going to post your views then do that, but don't venture to say you are speaking for all. I know there are a lot of "long time fans" who love the new show. So not sure where you getting your facts that all are like you. Plus pimping your own videos, nice.

11-19-2013, 05:15 PM	#6
SpiderFly Random Punk Join Date: Oct 2013 Posts: 22	I'm not a long-time tmnt fan so I don't know if my reply would be helpful to you but . . . I like that Casey, April, and Karai are younger. I don't think it would be any better or worse than them being older. It's just a different scenario to rehash and explore which is what makes the tmnt stories so fun. Why rebooting them doesn't get old. If you have the same old, same old (not that there's anything wrong with the old) then things just get stale. Not to mention it just makes more sense. Adult April would have a job. Karai's age would have to make sense if they want to make her a brainwashed Miwa. And if April's an adult, then it is only going to be silly if Casey is this normalish buff guy in hockey gear, running around with a group of teenage vigilantes and a teenage girl. (then again they are mutant ninja turtles) Before the Nick toon did anyone ask the question, "What if these guys had met each other at a younger age? That would be fun to explore." I would find it hard to believe that nobody would entertain thoughts like that.

11-19-2013, 05:20 PM	#9
Cowabunga Carl Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Salt Lake City Posts: 2,384	As Splinter has said in almost all versions, "Change is constant."

11-19-2013, 07:07 PM	#20
Toby Barrett Stone Warrior Join Date: Jun 2008 Posts: 946	It's just Brian Walmer. He posts his crappy videos in pretty much any fandom message board he can. Best to just ignore him.