How would you deal with character redundancy in TMNT?

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Dirty Blond

Well, Hamato Yoshi is Splinter (most of the time).

Are you sure? Because in the central mediums/universes of film, TV, and comics...

Hamato Yoshi is Technically Not Splinter:
1. Mirage Comics
2. Movies
3. NT:TNM
4. 4Kids Show
5. IDW (he is still a normal rat, reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi or not)

Hamato Yoshi is Technically Splinter:
1. Fred Wolf
2. Archie
3. Nickelodeon show

Even if you were to grant the IDW example, it still seems you're wrong.

[Davetello]

It's not so much 'redundancy' as different iterations/universes influencing one another. I see no problem with it - you may argue it's lazy from a creative standpoint but I've liked the majority of all universe's characters - although I could be doing with less mutants in 2k12.

[Shark_Blade]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Are you sure? Because in the central mediums/universes of film, TV, and comics...

Hamato Yoshi is Technically Not Splinter:
1. Mirage Comics
2. Movies
3. NT:TNM
4. 4Kids Show
5. IDW (he is still a normal rat, reincarnation of Hamato Yoshi or not)

Hamato Yoshi is Technically Splinter:
1. Fred Wolf
2. Archie
3. Nickelodeon show

Even if you were to grant the IDW example, it still seems you're wrong.

But his soul is still human (Hamato Yoshi) so he's not totally wrong.

[Jester]

Even if you put IDW Splinter in the WAS Hamato Yoshi column, it's still an even split....

[Dirty Blond]

Further splitting (rat) hairs, doesn't Next Mutation technically take place within the movieverse?

Though I guess one could argue Archie and Fred Wolf are the same universe.

[Davetello]

Originally Posted by Dirty Blond

Further splitting (rat) hairs, doesn't Next Mutation technically take place within the movieverse?

Though I guess one could argue Archie and Fred Wolf are the same universe.

Could also point out that the movies and 4kids show are extensions of/influenced by Mirage in the same way Archie is Fred Wolf.

Like I said above, it's more a borrowing between different universes - whether that be of the same character or different but similar characters.

[Coola Yagami]

They're not really redundant... they're just the same kind of animal, but not the same kind of person and/or personality. It's just after a while... how many more animals are left that aren't already mutants, gods or aliens.

And you're insane if you're throwing in a 4-armed god to a mutant martial artist. By your weird logic, Rahzar is also Dreadmon. Jagwar is Tiger Claw. Scratch is Old Hob.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

To be fair Shredder's pet dog could have been a wolf.

He was an Akita, a Japanese breed.

To be fair though, dogs are basically domesticated wolves, so when Dogpound/Bradford got mutated again, the second mutation probably reverted the Akita portion back into it's old ancestor, the wolf.

Originally Posted by snakeweed101

I treat them as separate characters. Karai didn't exist in the OT. Metalhead didn't exist in 2k3.

That's what I do too.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by snakeweed101

I treat them as separate characters. Karai didn't exist in the OT. Metalhead didn't exist in 2k3.

Exactly, cause they ARE separate characters.

[The Big Bad]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

They're not really redundant... they're just the same kind of animal, but not the same kind of person and/or personality. It's just after a while... how many more animals are left that aren't already mutants, gods or aliens.

And you're insane if you're throwing in a 4-armed god to a mutant martial artist. By your weird logic, Rahzar is also Dreadmon. Jagwar is Tiger Claw. Scratch is Old Hob.

And, to take this to the logical extreme, Leonardo is Donatello is Raphael is Michelangelo.

[The Sewer Lord]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

- Dogpound and Rahzar are both based on dogs/wolf's. Nick did the smart thing by making Dogpound into Rahzar, rather than introducing Rahzar on top of having Dogpound.

No comment on this one.

- The Evil Turtlebot from 4kids is just Metalhead to me. In the actual episode they never say the name of the robot turtle, only the toy/videogame does. So to me Evil Turtlebot is the same character as Metalhead.

There is no simillarity between them other than both of them being robot turtles.

- Lotus Blossom is OT Karai.

Yeah, in Nick. Not in any ther version.

- Bloodsucker and Wyrm are the same character.

How come? 'Sucker is a mutant leach and Wyrm was trash. Literally.

- Old Hob from IDW will become Verminator X from Archie. Just you wait.

That's OK. But until he gets the name, Hob isn't Verminator X (who was called Manx and was a scientist obsessed with becoming immortal, by the way).

- Cockroach Terminator and Scumbug are the same character to me.

Note the "to me". He's the same character to you. Not to me or someone else.

- Tiger Claw from Nick Season 2 is just Katamundo from Archie.

Except Tiger Claw wasn't a four-armed god with reality-warping powers. It's Katmandu, by the way.

- Scratch and Hallowcat are the same character.

This is true. Scratch was just the name of the toy - the character was truly called Hallocat. So, yeah.

Originally Posted by The Big Bad

And, to take this to the logical extreme, Leonardo is Donatello is Raphael is Michelangelo.

[pannoni1]

Characther redundancy is the simple act of recycling characters by just changing their name along with some minor design differences, such as the weapons used, body layout, and origin. They do make great crossover jokes though! You even see this in Power Rangers, Pro Wrestling (ever heard of the Seven Year Rule?)

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by The Sewer Lord

How come? 'Sucker is a mutant leach and Wyrm was trash. Literally.

What? Wyrm was a mutant leech like Bloodsucker.

You're thinking of Muckman and Joe Eyeball who were mutated garbagemen from trash.

[Tazi]

I think he ment "trash" as "sucks".

And he was a worm not a leech.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

I have to disagree on some of those. Namely, Dogpound/Rahzar, Lotus/Karai, and CT/Scumbug. Obviously, there are some characters who would be redundant IF THEY WERE IN THE SAME CONTINUITY. But most of them aren't!
The only REALLY redundant characters I can think of are Slash and Tokka, who BOTH appeared in the OT. It never made much sense to me to have TWO "evil" turtles in the same universe.

I liked the double mutation as a way to introduce Rahzar, but now that they've done that, who would be Tokka? Slash? Because now it would be redundant if they had both in Nick- and honestly, what's Rahzar without Tokka? Or are we going to double-mutate one of the TMNT a la Mirage/4Kids and turn him "evil" to just have Tokka running around? Either way would just be ridiculous. Granted, doing a "Gamora-Don(or Raph)" would be cool for an ep or two, or having one of the turtles turn evil (like IDW's Leo) but to double-dip mutant turtle characters just to have Tokka? That's stretching it.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I have to disagree on some of those. Namely, Dogpound/Rahzar, Lotus/Karai, and CT/Scumbug. Obviously, there are some characters who would be redundant IF THEY WERE IN THE SAME CONTINUITY. But most of them aren't!
The only REALLY redundant characters I can think of are Slash and Tokka, who BOTH appeared in the OT. It never made much sense to me to have TWO "evil" turtles in the same universe.

I liked the double mutation as a way to introduce Rahzar, but now that they've done that, who would be Tokka? Slash? Because now it would be redundant if they had both in Nick- and honestly, what's Rahzar without Tokka? Or are we going to double-mutate one of the TMNT a la Mirage/4Kids and turn him "evil" to just have Tokka running around? Either way would just be ridiculous. Granted, doing a "Gamora-Don(or Raph)" would be cool for an ep or two, or having one of the turtles turn evil (like IDW's Leo) but to double-dip mutant turtle characters just to have Tokka? That's stretching it.

I kinda like Raph's line upon seeing Tokka in the OT 'ANOTHER mutant turtle? I'm starting to feel... I dunno... un-unique'.

Slash is so huge in this version he's basically Tokka too. And I doubt Bradford needs him. This isn't like the movie where both animals were mutated at the same time like Bebop and Rocksteady. 'Rahzar' has been in the show since the 4th episode... so he doesn't now need a 'Tokka' all of a sudden, especially since he already has Xever.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Yeah, but it goes back to fan expectations- if you have Rahzar, then by extension, you have to include Tokka, too- they are a duo just as R&B are. It's like splitting up Rocksteady and Bebop for no reason. Fans think of them as two halves of a whole, so why do it? Same thing with T&R. They go together, and always have.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Yeah, but it goes back to fan expectations- if you have Rahzar, then by extension, you have to include Tokka, too- they are a duo just as R&B are. It's like splitting up Rocksteady and Bebop for no reason. Fans think of them as two halves of a whole, so why do it? Same thing with T&R. They go together, and always have.

True, but it doesn't look like they're doing it like that this time. Otherwise they would have introduced them at the same time.

My only question is, if they do pair off Bradford and Slash (cause really, Slash already fills that role), where does that leave Xever?

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Uh.... Armaddon?(sp?) Seriously, though, those two don't really strike me as a true "pairing" of henchmen like the others. They don't seem to "fit" in the same way. It's kind of like taking Bing and Bob and replacing one of them with someone else. (For those who don't know whom I'm referring to- I'm a fan of the old Bing Crosby/Bob Hope "Road To" movies.) It's just not the same....

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Uh.... Armaddon?(sp?) Seriously, though, those two don't really strike me as a true "pairing" of henchmen like the others. They don't seem to "fit" in the same way. It's kind of like taking Bing and Bob and replacing one of them with someone else. (For those who don't know whom I'm referring to- I'm a fan of the old Bing Crosby/Bob Hope "Road To" movies.) It's just not the same....

Even if Fishface gets mutated a second time, the duo of Rahzar and Armaggon would seem too weird. He's super obscure and almost noone would know who he is. Hell when he was in Tournament Fighters noone knew who he is. Anyone outside this forum that happens to remember him will think he 'came from that SNES game' without knowing he was in a comic book series published by Archie of all things.