Have You Seen This?

*Bauer536* · 12-26-2013, 01:31 AM

I just found them recently. This person makes some interesting points, but I don't think I can agree with him.

Also, it's making me feel that maybe we are wrong about this show. I don't think we are, but it's killing me now that I've read his posts.

This is one of them.

http://gokaigato.tumblr.com/post/652...iews-tmnt-2k12

*Powder* · 12-26-2013, 02:03 AM

No, & I wish I hadn't. Someone being an uppity crybaby on Tumblr? Unheard of. I couldn't make it through that whole thing. That used diaper of a turtles fan needs to realize that this show is its own universe and has every right to take liberties with the personalities and designs of any character they wish. It's simply not for them. They have to learn to accept that and move on.

*Bauer536* · 12-26-2013, 02:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Powder

No, & I wish I hadn't. Someone being an uppity crybaby on Tumblr? Unheard of. I couldn't make it through that whole thing. That used diaper of a turtles fan needs to realize that this show is its own universe and has every right to take liberties with the personalities and designs of any character they wish. It's simply not for them. They have to learn to accept that and move on.

The show has flaws, I know. Maybe not all of it is realistic (especially if it's about talking turtles), but sometimes, I've been wondering if characters like Leo and Don have been portrayed wrong in this adaptation. I absolutely love this series, and I don't want that to change because of this. Yet, some of his points make sense.

He was ranting about how stupid the "Cockroach Terminator" was, along with Raph's reaction. Also, he can be right about the turtles not going after the mutants by the end.

I don't know. After reading this, I'm worried I won't be able to enjoy this show anymore. I didn't think I'd stumble upon this.

*Powder* · 12-26-2013, 02:20 AM

There is no "wrong" with regard to the turtles' behavior. They've got their base personalities developed by Mirage & the OT, and have added elements that keep the characters fresh and make them unique in their own new universe. If not for those new traits, the show wouldn't be as successful as it is. Fact. You have always come off as a weird case to me, you're way too emotional and far too easily influenced by others. Think for yourself as you had been prior and just enjoy the damn show. There's no need to over-analyze it. & just because someone makes a few points you relate to doesn't mean you share an opinion wholesale.

*victory_angel* · 12-26-2013, 06:00 AM

This review this person wrote on Tumbler isn't wrong, but they aren't right either. That is purely his/her opinion and that's all it is. Just like everyone else on this forum has their own opinions regarding this particular series.

The people who are making this series are familiar with the other incarnations of the show, they are fans of Ninja Turtles and understand the mythos and ethos of the story and it's characters. But at the same time they are also adding their own characteristics to the characters to make them fresh for a new generation as fans, but still keeping characteristics that the older fans would recognize.

2K3 Leo had an appreciation for Karai and Karai the same for him. It wasn't love not in the the way we think of it anyway. It was mutual respect for who they were as warriors, but was that same honor that also made them bitter enemies. Karai holding loyalty to the Shredder, even though she knew the Shredder did dishonorable things. I.E. Retrieving the device that is holding part of Beijing aloft even though removing it would cause the deaths of numerous innocent people.

And the same is true here in the 2012 version.
Karai and Leo do have a respect for each other as warriors or rather did when they first encountered each other. And Karai has warned Leo that she wasn't to be trusted and she has been given orders to eliminate him and his brothers. But she also admitted that Leo was the first thing in the city that interested her. Karai's major issue in this case is not so much whether she is struggling with her honor, but more rather trying to gauge when she's being honest and when she's just playing on Leo's feelings.

When Leo and Karai first meet, Karai does try to entice him to let go of his morals and see what it's like to act without the restraint of whats right and wrong. A good theory to this is because by seducing Leo into a life of crime she hopes that the Shredder would see him more as an asset to have on their side vs. a disciple of his enemy. And another theory is that by tossing aside his morals even for a small moment would destroy Leo's honor and lead to his self destruction.

Leo in the 2k3 was more confident in himself and where he stood as a leader. He respected the individual traits of each of his brothers because those traits are what made them an unstoppable force. But even he wasn't completely flawless and some of his actions bit him back.

Leo in the 2012 version is less confident in his leadership ability. So he relies on the actions of people such as Splinter and Captain Ryan. Which often leaves him in consternation whenever his brothers don't follow his by the book way of thinking. But he is steadily improving to as the series progresses.

As for wondering how Leo and Don have been portrayed wrong it depends on what you classify as wrong. If you think the wrongness resides in the fact they both have love interests.

I could say the love interest works because they are teenagers, they are hormonal, and yes they are going to be attracted to someone female. And both love interests may have their own reasons of being that you can take as you will. Such as Leo possibly realizing that he was attracted to Karai because he could sense a familiarity in her.

If you consider it wrong that Leo and Donnie are a bit more testy in this incarnation then they have in other incarnations. Again this they haven't officially become the cohesive team we know and love as of yet, but they are trying. And also these are a new take on these characters so you aren't going to see the same Leo and Don who were in the Ot or the 2k3 version.

*TigerClaw* · 12-26-2013, 07:22 AM

So one person didn't like the new series? Oh well, you can't please everyone. I like the Nick series as much as anyone else.

*Luckyday* · 12-26-2013, 10:05 AM

If there is one thing that I strongly disagree with him on it's April O'Neil. If you take out April in this show then you had to change the characters' main motivation. Also, I don't mind that she is a bit weak in this series because I know she GROW into a badass but this time it's going to be a slow climb for her to get there.

kelligrafie · 12-26-2013, 11:55 AM

The tone in which that 'review' was written, indicates that the person who wrote it spends their entire life pointing out everyone else's flaws while they themself, probably still get their mother to do their laundry.

The only fulfilment they get is by sitting in front of a computer all day slagging off people who have the jobs they want but will never have.

Don't let them or their pathetic little bitchfests upset you. They're only doing it to make themselves feel better about their own pitiful existance.

I can't be doing with tossers like that. There's no need. If a TV show upsets you that much, don't watch it. It doesn't require an unattainable amount of logic to realise that.

*Rooish* · 12-26-2013, 12:58 PM

I think this reviewer nailed it. The turtles we are watching are different than others, and not in a way that is relatable to all people. When they become dicks I kind of like them less. Leo especially.

*TigerClaw* · 12-26-2013, 02:01 PM

According to that Tumblr, The person claims to be a huge TMNT fan, Yet that review is completely negative.

Aaronardo · 12-26-2013, 02:24 PM

Whores doing some whiny bitching on Tumblr. That has NEVER happened before.

*BubblyShell22* · 12-26-2013, 04:01 PM

I have seen this, and I just don't care. People are going to have different opinions about things, and if they don't like the new show, that's their opinion. I disagree with what this person has said, but they have the right to say it. Just ignore it and enjoy the show.

*BabyTurtles* · 12-26-2013, 05:57 PM

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Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

I have seen this, and I just don't care. People are going to have different opinions about things, and if they don't like the new show, that's their opinion. I disagree with what this person has said, but they have the right to say it. Just ignore it and enjoy the show.

exactly

if you are enjoying the show then continue to enjoy it

some people will like certain things about it and some people won't :3
just depends on the person.

*Xav* · 12-26-2013, 06:44 PM

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Originally Posted by TigerClaw

According to that Tumblr, The person claims to be a huge TMNT fan, Yet that review is completely negative.

Right because being a fan of something means you have to mindlessly love anything associated with it.

*Bauer536* · 12-26-2013, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Xav

Right because being a fan of something means you have to mindlessly love anything associated with it.

He has a point. If you like TMNT, it is possible you won't like a certain adaptation. I enjoy the 2k12 series, and sometimes, when a turtle gets cocky, I look at it as okay. At least they're not whining all the time like babies. Strange. I don't mind some of the changes on this show, but I still don't like the IDW comics. I guess it's because of its content.

**Jester** · 12-26-2013, 07:29 PM

Content is usually why people don't like things, yes.

You can be a fan and not like EVERYTHING, but you should at least give them a decent shot.

*CyberCubed* · 12-26-2013, 08:03 PM

This thread needs to be locked.

A random whiner on tumblr doesn't deserve a thread here.

**Jester** · 12-26-2013, 08:16 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This thread needs to be locked.

A random whiner on tumblr doesn't deserve a thread here.

And yet we still let you create new threads....

*CyberCubed* · 12-26-2013, 08:27 PM

This thread is meaningless. Why link to some random tumblr rant? Especially when the guy from tumblr is probably some bitter teen?

Technogeek29 · 12-26-2013, 08:28 PM

Shrugs~ despite my constant complaining, I do like this show I just point out what I hate as oppossed to what I like. This version isn't for everybody if you prefer OT above all else than watch that version and ignore everything else for all I care.

My niece watches TMNT as well but the 2k12 just doesn't hold her interest, often watching my OT DVD's and going on youtube for 2k3. I asked her and she couldn't really give me an answer other than "I don't like it" for some its just as simple as that.

12-26-2013, 01:31 AM	#1
Bauer536 Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Location: United States Posts: 1,550	Have You Seen This? I just found them recently. This person makes some interesting points, but I don't think I can agree with him. Also, it's making me feel that maybe we are wrong about this show. I don't think we are, but it's killing me now that I've read his posts. This is one of them. http://gokaigato.tumblr.com/post/652...iews-tmnt-2k12

12-26-2013, 06:00 AM	#5
victory_angel Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: Ca Posts: 3,108	This review this person wrote on Tumbler isn't wrong, but they aren't right either. That is purely his/her opinion and that's all it is. Just like everyone else on this forum has their own opinions regarding this particular series. The people who are making this series are familiar with the other incarnations of the show, they are fans of Ninja Turtles and understand the mythos and ethos of the story and it's characters. But at the same time they are also adding their own characteristics to the characters to make them fresh for a new generation as fans, but still keeping characteristics that the older fans would recognize. 2K3 Leo had an appreciation for Karai and Karai the same for him. It wasn't love not in the the way we think of it anyway. It was mutual respect for who they were as warriors, but was that same honor that also made them bitter enemies. Karai holding loyalty to the Shredder, even though she knew the Shredder did dishonorable things. I.E. Retrieving the device that is holding part of Beijing aloft even though removing it would cause the deaths of numerous innocent people. And the same is true here in the 2012 version. Karai and Leo do have a respect for each other as warriors or rather did when they first encountered each other. And Karai has warned Leo that she wasn't to be trusted and she has been given orders to eliminate him and his brothers. But she also admitted that Leo was the first thing in the city that interested her. Karai's major issue in this case is not so much whether she is struggling with her honor, but more rather trying to gauge when she's being honest and when she's just playing on Leo's feelings. When Leo and Karai first meet, Karai does try to entice him to let go of his morals and see what it's like to act without the restraint of whats right and wrong. A good theory to this is because by seducing Leo into a life of crime she hopes that the Shredder would see him more as an asset to have on their side vs. a disciple of his enemy. And another theory is that by tossing aside his morals even for a small moment would destroy Leo's honor and lead to his self destruction. Leo in the 2k3 was more confident in himself and where he stood as a leader. He respected the individual traits of each of his brothers because those traits are what made them an unstoppable force. But even he wasn't completely flawless and some of his actions bit him back. Leo in the 2012 version is less confident in his leadership ability. So he relies on the actions of people such as Splinter and Captain Ryan. Which often leaves him in consternation whenever his brothers don't follow his by the book way of thinking. But he is steadily improving to as the series progresses. As for wondering how Leo and Don have been portrayed wrong it depends on what you classify as wrong. If you think the wrongness resides in the fact they both have love interests. I could say the love interest works because they are teenagers, they are hormonal, and yes they are going to be attracted to someone female. And both love interests may have their own reasons of being that you can take as you will. Such as Leo possibly realizing that he was attracted to Karai because he could sense a familiarity in her. If you consider it wrong that Leo and Donnie are a bit more testy in this incarnation then they have in other incarnations. Again this they haven't officially become the cohesive team we know and love as of yet, but they are trying. And also these are a new take on these characters so you aren't going to see the same Leo and Don who were in the Ot or the 2k3 version. __________________

12-26-2013, 07:22 AM	#6
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	So one person didn't like the new series? Oh well, you can't please everyone. I like the Nick series as much as anyone else. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

12-26-2013, 11:55 AM	#8
kelligrafie Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huddersfield, UK Posts: 840	The tone in which that 'review' was written, indicates that the person who wrote it spends their entire life pointing out everyone else's flaws while they themself, probably still get their mother to do their laundry. The only fulfilment they get is by sitting in front of a computer all day slagging off people who have the jobs they want but will never have. Don't let them or their pathetic little bitchfests upset you. They're only doing it to make themselves feel better about their own pitiful existance. I can't be doing with tossers like that. There's no need. If a TV show upsets you that much, don't watch it. It doesn't require an unattainable amount of logic to realise that. __________________ "You don't see (Shredder) calling Rahzar 'Chris'." victory_angel "When it's not what I'd like it to be, I still enjoy it." ElectricN

12-26-2013, 02:01 PM	#10
TigerClaw Mutant Tiger Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Hialeah, Florida, USA Posts: 14,165	According to that Tumblr, The person claims to be a huge TMNT fan, Yet that review is completely negative. __________________ Follow me on my Tiktok https://www.tiktok.com/@tygerclaw305

12-26-2013, 02:03 AM	#2
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,953	No, & I wish I hadn't. Someone being an uppity crybaby on Tumblr? Unheard of. I couldn't make it through that whole thing. That used diaper of a turtles fan needs to realize that this show is its own universe and has every right to take liberties with the personalities and designs of any character they wish. It's simply not for them. They have to learn to accept that and move on.

12-26-2013, 02:20 AM	#4
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,953	There is no "wrong" with regard to the turtles' behavior. They've got their base personalities developed by Mirage & the OT, and have added elements that keep the characters fresh and make them unique in their own new universe. If not for those new traits, the show wouldn't be as successful as it is. Fact. You have always come off as a weird case to me, you're way too emotional and far too easily influenced by others. Think for yourself as you had been prior and just enjoy the damn show. There's no need to over-analyze it. & just because someone makes a few points you relate to doesn't mean you share an opinion wholesale.

12-26-2013, 12:58 PM	#9
Rooish Devil's Advocate Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Toronto, Ontario Posts: 2,130	I think this reviewer nailed it. The turtles we are watching are different than others, and not in a way that is relatable to all people. When they become dicks I kind of like them less. Leo especially.

12-26-2013, 02:24 PM	#11
Aaronardo Mad Scientist Join Date: Jul 2013 Location: :noitacoL Posts: 1,043	Whores doing some whiny bitching on Tumblr. That has NEVER happened before. __________________ "Shredder, you gotta listen to reason!" - Leonardo "Oh Turtles! Oh Turtles! Chew your gum properly." "If I miss this week's Kirby, heads are gonna roll." - Raphael "The Biosites have almost finished healing my flesh." - Shredder "Because we're takin' the heart and you're goin' to jail!" - Donatello

12-26-2013, 04:01 PM	#12
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I have seen this, and I just don't care. People are going to have different opinions about things, and if they don't like the new show, that's their opinion. I disagree with what this person has said, but they have the right to say it. Just ignore it and enjoy the show. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

12-26-2013, 07:29 PM	#16
Jester Rat-faced Dude-guy Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arkansas Posts: 26,300	Content is usually why people don't like things, yes. You can be a fan and not like EVERYTHING, but you should at least give them a decent shot. __________________ "Clearly, you're Ninja Turtling incorrectly." - Leo656

12-26-2013, 08:03 PM	#17
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,864	This thread needs to be locked. A random whiner on tumblr doesn't deserve a thread here.

12-26-2013, 08:27 PM	#19
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,864	This thread is meaningless. Why link to some random tumblr rant? Especially when the guy from tumblr is probably some bitter teen?

12-26-2013, 08:28 PM	#20
Technogeek29 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: Huntsville Posts: 1,486	Shrugs~ despite my constant complaining, I do like this show I just point out what I hate as oppossed to what I like. This version isn't for everybody if you prefer OT above all else than watch that version and ignore everything else for all I care. My niece watches TMNT as well but the 2k12 just doesn't hold her interest, often watching my OT DVD's and going on youtube for 2k3. I asked her and she couldn't really give me an answer other than "I don't like it" for some its just as simple as that. __________________