Things you didnt like about 2k3 tmnt - Page 11

*TheSkeletonMan939* · 01-30-2014, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Why is that, exactly? I've seen all sorts of reasons (read- speculation) on here, but has there been a definitive answer?

Not from Nickelodeon, no.

But just think about it: would Nickelodeon want to release a second TMNT series in addition to their own on DVD? Wouldn't it be embarrassing if, perhaps, those DVDs sold better than the DVDs of their own series? Or even worse, what if they were to spend all that money printing the DVDs, only to find no one would buy them? It's not a risk worth taking.

*CyberCubed* · 01-30-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Not from Nickelodeon, no.

But just think about it: would Nickelodeon want to release a second TMNT series in addition to their own on DVD? Wouldn't it be embarrassing if, perhaps, those DVDs sold better than the DVDs of their own series? Or even worse, what if they were to spend all that money printing the DVDs, only to find no one would buy them? It's not a risk worth taking.

They paid 10 million for the series. They'll resell it eventually.

tmntpower1988 · 01-31-2014, 03:54 PM

I wish Slashuur was in the 2k3 episodes was disappointed that he was only in the Battle Nexus game.

I wouldn't mind it if they released the 2k3 series on DVD again. A few of my DVDs have scratches on them, not too many scratches though. The DVDs still play perfect. It's just my OCD does my head in obsessing about the scratches thinking what if they get worse and ruin the DVDs lol Should the DVDs be ok if I take good care of them? I have them put away safely in a storage box, I bought pirate copies off iOffer as I don't want the real copies to get anymore scratches.

DarkLightDragon · 01-31-2014, 04:19 PM

Another dislike of this series was for me, despite pretty much liking everything else, was the handling of Mikey.

Now, I'm probably one of the few people who didn't mind his arrogance that much. Maybe it's because I've already been exposed to and like characters with self-confidence (Sonic the Hedgehog, Bass from the Mega Man series). So with Mikey, it's not new or irritating territory for me.

However, I find more problem with how the writers didn't try to keep his development consistent. Whenever he does get a episode showing he's more than the comic relief, it never stays around in the long-run. I will forever maintain Grudge Match was a spectacular episode for me since it showed me how competent Mikley can be when he focuses during the latter half of his fight with Kluh, especially when he hears his family threatened and his sense of honor with the "My father taught me better than that" line.

Too bad nothing was really gained from that point onwards, especially come >>, and even then I wasn't really too bothered. Maybe I'm just too hard to annoy.

It seems to me they really thought that 'developed= less funny' and he needed to be the fun, kid-friendly 'face' of the Turtles for the kids and that kind of logic is rather unfortunate, but alas, I guess it could've been worse.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 01-31-2014, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They paid 10 million for the series. They'll resell it eventually.

Or they bought it just so that no one else could sell/release them.

$10 million isn't much to them, especially when they made, what, hundreds of millions of dollars from the merchandise/toys and such from the 2k12 show?

If another company had the 2003 series and were releasing them on DVD, then not only could there have been a little bit of competition (plus confusion with kids), but could have drawn some attention away from Nick's DVD releases (aka the 2k12 series). Which Nick would not have wanted. To be known to the kids/parents as the 'only Turtles show on the block' leads to kids concentrating only on that specific version (aka the 2k12 show).

Which leads to kids buying the toys, merchandise, and so on. So as long as the new show is running (which by the sound of it, will be a long while), you're not seeing the 2003 show on DVD anytime soon.

And then by that time, who knows even if DVD's will still be around (which I would still enjoy physical product than a 'buy to stream the 2k3 show' way).

And they didn't have to worry about competition/attention being drawn away because of the original cartoon series since, by that time, Lions Gate were pretty much done with releasing them onto DVD (which they did a piss poor job with).

As for other posts in this forum...someone said there was a "Hate Thread on the New Show." I've never noticed an actual Hate thread on the new show.

Almost every person I've seen on this forum likes the Nick show as of now (maybe when it first came onto the scene, but I'm talking about as of right now), it's even slowly grown on me (although the 2003 one is definitely my favorite).

Bossa Nova · 01-31-2014, 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

If another company had the 2003 series and were releasing them on DVD, then not only could there have been a little bit of competition (plus confusion with kids), but could have drawn some attention away from Nick's DVD releases (aka the 2k12 series). Which Nick would not have wanted. To be known to the kids/parents as the 'only Turtles show on the block' leads to kids concentrating only on that specific version (aka the 2k12 show).

I don't understand this logic. They're still releasing the OT seasons right now. I haven't seen a whole lot of confusion with them and the current show. The OT turtles looks just as similar to the Nick turtles as the 2k3 turtles do....which is not at all.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 01-31-2014, 10:45 PM

Exactly. I bought several seasons of the OT at Wal-Mart recently, as well as the DVD's of the Nick series' first season. Both appear to sell equally well in my area, so why NOT add the 2K3 series? The OT release is for older fans who still remember it- it's the nostalgia factor. The new one is what kids will want to buy. 2K3 sits somewhere in the middle for fans who were not around for the OT, but who are old enough to remember the second series.

Ramboraph4life aka Matt · 02-01-2014, 03:41 AM

Then please, feel free to explain your opinion as to why the OT and 2k12 get released on DVD but not the 2003 show...especially with the success of the new show as well as an upcoming $100 million blockbuster coming out in August. Because I too would love to know the logic as well as answer to it. I never said I was right or anything, I was just making guesses as well as conversation.

I didn't mention the OT releases in my last post because I thought Lions Gate was dealing with the OT releases and not Nick. I say that since they released the Season 3 set last year. Does Lions Gate have a co-deal with Nick to do that? Or does Lions Gate 100% own the OT DVD rights?

Bossa Nova · 02-01-2014, 04:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Then please, feel free to explain your opinion as to why the OT and 2k12 get released on DVD but not the 2003 show...especially with the success of the new show as well as an upcoming $100 million blockbuster coming out in August. Because I too would love to know the logic as well as answer to it. I never said I was right or anything, I was just making guesses as well as conversation.

I didn't mention the OT releases in my last post because I thought Lions Gate was dealing with the OT releases and not Nick. I say that since they released the Season 3 set last year. Does Lions Gate have a co-deal with Nick to do that? Or does Lions Gate 100% own the OT DVD rights?

I have no idea, and I never claimed to have any idea why Nickelodeon hasn't released the 2k3 series. I'm just stating how it makes little sense to me that I often see others argue that it's probably partly due to the fact that Nick doesn't want their turtles mixed up with the 2k3 turtles, which, as I stated, makes really no sense to me. Even my own mother, who literally knows nothing about the turtles except their names, was able to purchase me the correct 2k3 season I wanted for Christmas last year, and didn't confuse it with the current show.

CowabungaMikey · 02-01-2014, 04:41 AM

Michelangelo and partly Donatello. I had the feeling this show was totally focussed on Leo and Raphael.

Technogeek29 · 02-01-2014, 05:03 AM

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Originally Posted by CowabungaMikey

Michelangelo and partly Donatello. I had the feeling this show was totally focussed on Leo and Raphael.

I'd say Mikey and Leo we're the main focus Turtles. But Don & Raph have the more memorable episodes.

*TheBlueTurtle1* · 02-01-2014, 05:25 AM

They really pushed Leo as a Hero.

DarkLightDragon · 02-01-2014, 07:05 AM

I'm guessing they did that as a means to make Leo less of the 'boring' one.

While it did work, yeah, it did seem like they didn't know how develop the other Turtles aside from giving them each their own memorable episodes. I already mentioned Mikey, but when it came to Raph I think, they're problem was trying to have him mirror his Mirage incarnation while still managing to make his outbursts and temper kid-friendly.

Got nothing on Donnie right now, so either I'll come back with something else or someone could fill in better than I could.

*blindturtle02* · 02-01-2014, 07:19 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Exactly. I bought several seasons of the OT at Wal-Mart recently, as well as the DVD's of the Nick series' first season. Both appear to sell equally well in my area, so why NOT add the 2K3 series? The OT release is for older fans who still remember it- it's the nostalgia factor. The new one is what kids will want to buy. 2K3 sits somewhere in the middle for fans who were not around for the OT, but who are old enough to remember the second series.

It would probably do well. Kids today love Turtles and I don't think the era matters to them. After I taught my English lesson incorporating cause and effect with the 2012 turtles, I had several kids come up and begin ranting about the 2k3 show. A bunch of boys had this bday party where an older sibling let them watch episodes of s4 from the 2k3 series, according to their description. They were ranting about,"Don mutating a second time like Rahzar and going after April and her boyfriend!," I think they'd gotten to the Tribunal arc because they all started talking at once about the turtles turning into dragons etc. These were 4th graders and they said they enjoyed both old and new series when I asked which they liked better. In their words,"They're both great because it's Turtles!" Doubt Nick will ever pick up on that though. It does make sense that they'd want to promote their show at present, but we may see it hit shelves and digital download/streaming services eventually. Of course these kids don't represent everyone, but I did think about 2k3 on DVD right then and there.

FoxBoxKid · 02-01-2014, 03:49 PM

This is probably my favorite incarnation of TMNT besides the IDW comic. This show introduced me to TMNT, and I can still enjoy it today, except for Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer. If they end up releasing a complete series box set (fingers crossed), I hope it's just seasons 1-5. And maybe an uncut version of Turtles Forever?

*Warhorse* · 02-16-2014, 10:11 PM

No pupils is my biggest beef with the show. Next, while Leo is my second favorite character, he was still way overpowered and was the center of too many storylines.

*shuriken* · 02-17-2014, 12:44 AM

"None of you will leave here...ALIVE"
It was cool the first time Shredder said it. But after the third time you just roll your eyes and say sure Shredder whatever you say.

Casey's progression from Vigilante badass to bumbling idiot sidekick.

April's progression from cool techy chick to ninja master over 2 seasons.

Rat King only get's one episode and Garbage man gets 2. The Justice force, all of them but Nobody.

SHREDDER KEEPS COMING BACK.

Raph constantly abusing Mikey and Mikey sometimes being a loud mouthed douche bag.

Karai and her daddy issues. I think that's it. I liked a lot more of it that I hated so it's cool.

Shred87 · 02-17-2014, 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by PApagreg

I loved the 2k3 tmnt but there are some flaws or peeves that I always hated
The dumbing down of Casey
April becoming a ninja master in a short time
Whenever Leonardo hit someone with his swords they fall back
Fake move techniques like double phoenix punch and dragon kick

didn't really care for seasons 5-7

nimajneb · 02-17-2014, 03:31 PM

The 2k3 series is my favourite of the turtles series - I actually really struggle with the wolf cartoons now.
I never had any problems with 2k3 but when it went into the future and back to the sewers it lost me, and I got fed up of the little wail sfx whenever shredder appeared.
But now you've been listing all these issues the glass is shattered

k_lala · 02-18-2014, 07:56 PM

Mikey had plenty of air time, he was the hero and savor in the Notes from the Underground he had plenty of spot lights in all the Super hero team ups with Turtle Titan, the Battle Nexus champion etc. He also kicked Raph's butt so many times in the show.

He was funny, he was an amazing fighter, and he showed us undisciplined and lazy he could be too. So to me he was near perfect.

01-31-2014, 10:45 PM	#207
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Exactly. I bought several seasons of the OT at Wal-Mart recently, as well as the DVD's of the Nick series' first season. Both appear to sell equally well in my area, so why NOT add the 2K3 series? The OT release is for older fans who still remember it- it's the nostalgia factor. The new one is what kids will want to buy. 2K3 sits somewhere in the middle for fans who were not around for the OT, but who are old enough to remember the second series. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

02-01-2014, 04:41 AM	#210
CowabungaMikey Stone Warrior Join Date: May 2013 Location: The Netherlands Posts: 661	Michelangelo and partly Donatello. I had the feeling this show was totally focussed on Leo and Raphael. __________________ Cowabunga says it all!

02-01-2014, 05:25 AM	#212
TheBlueTurtle1 Foot Elite Join Date: May 2012 Location: UK Posts: 2,892	They really pushed Leo as a Hero. __________________ http://jandmdev.deviantart.com/ (My Brother and I have a dev page, I am J, brother is M)

02-17-2014, 12:44 AM	#217
shuriken Second City Shinobi Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chi-town Posts: 4,182	"None of you will leave here...ALIVE" It was cool the first time Shredder said it. But after the third time you just roll your eyes and say sure Shredder whatever you say. Casey's progression from Vigilante badass to bumbling idiot sidekick. April's progression from cool techy chick to ninja master over 2 seasons. Rat King only get's one episode and Garbage man gets 2. The Justice force, all of them but Nobody. SHREDDER KEEPS COMING BACK. Raph constantly abusing Mikey and Mikey sometimes being a loud mouthed douche bag. Karai and her daddy issues. I think that's it. I liked a lot more of it that I hated so it's cool. __________________ Some things are better left unsaid. This isn't one of them

02-17-2014, 03:31 PM	#219
nimajneb Stone Warrior Join Date: Apr 2013 Location: South Croydon Posts: 547	The 2k3 series is my favourite of the turtles series - I actually really struggle with the wolf cartoons now. I never had any problems with 2k3 but when it went into the future and back to the sewers it lost me, and I got fed up of the little wail sfx whenever shredder appeared. But now you've been listing all these issues the glass is shattered __________________ [SIZE="2"] MICHELANGELO I hear his bike turns into a plane, or like a jet pack. Hey Don, you're so smart, why don't we have jet packs? DONATELLO Yeah, that's good, Mikey. I don't even trust you with a driver's license.[/

01-31-2014, 03:54 PM	#203
tmntpower1988 Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2012 Location: Ireland Posts: 793	I wish Slashuur was in the 2k3 episodes was disappointed that he was only in the Battle Nexus game. I wouldn't mind it if they released the 2k3 series on DVD again. A few of my DVDs have scratches on them, not too many scratches though. The DVDs still play perfect. It's just my OCD does my head in obsessing about the scratches thinking what if they get worse and ruin the DVDs lol Should the DVDs be ok if I take good care of them? I have them put away safely in a storage box, I bought pirate copies off iOffer as I don't want the real copies to get anymore scratches.

01-31-2014, 04:19 PM	#204
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	Another dislike of this series was for me, despite pretty much liking everything else, was the handling of Mikey. Now, I'm probably one of the few people who didn't mind his arrogance that much. Maybe it's because I've already been exposed to and like characters with self-confidence (Sonic the Hedgehog, Bass from the Mega Man series). So with Mikey, it's not new or irritating territory for me. However, I find more problem with how the writers didn't try to keep his development consistent. Whenever he does get a episode showing he's more than the comic relief, it never stays around in the long-run. I will forever maintain Grudge Match was a spectacular episode for me since it showed me how competent Mikley can be when he focuses during the latter half of his fight with Kluh, especially when he hears his family threatened and his sense of honor with the "My father taught me better than that" line. Too bad nothing was really gained from that point onwards, especially come >>, and even then I wasn't really too bothered. Maybe I'm just too hard to annoy. It seems to me they really thought that 'developed= less funny' and he needed to be the fun, kid-friendly 'face' of the Turtles for the kids and that kind of logic is rather unfortunate, but alas, I guess it could've been worse.

02-01-2014, 03:41 AM	#208
Ramboraph4life aka Matt Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2004 Location: North Liberty, Iowa Posts: 1,234	Then please, feel free to explain your opinion as to why the OT and 2k12 get released on DVD but not the 2003 show...especially with the success of the new show as well as an upcoming $100 million blockbuster coming out in August. Because I too would love to know the logic as well as answer to it. I never said I was right or anything, I was just making guesses as well as conversation. I didn't mention the OT releases in my last post because I thought Lions Gate was dealing with the OT releases and not Nick. I say that since they released the Season 3 set last year. Does Lions Gate have a co-deal with Nick to do that? Or does Lions Gate 100% own the OT DVD rights?

02-01-2014, 07:05 AM	#213
DarkLightDragon Mad Scientist Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Michigan Posts: 1,026	I'm guessing they did that as a means to make Leo less of the 'boring' one. While it did work, yeah, it did seem like they didn't know how develop the other Turtles aside from giving them each their own memorable episodes. I already mentioned Mikey, but when it came to Raph I think, they're problem was trying to have him mirror his Mirage incarnation while still managing to make his outbursts and temper kid-friendly. Got nothing on Donnie right now, so either I'll come back with something else or someone could fill in better than I could.

02-01-2014, 03:49 PM	#215
FoxBoxKid Foot Soldier Join Date: Dec 2013 Posts: 214	This is probably my favorite incarnation of TMNT besides the IDW comic. This show introduced me to TMNT, and I can still enjoy it today, except for Fast Forward and Back to the Sewer. If they end up releasing a complete series box set (fingers crossed), I hope it's just seasons 1-5. And maybe an uncut version of Turtles Forever?

02-16-2014, 10:11 PM	#216
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	No pupils is my biggest beef with the show. Next, while Leo is my second favorite character, he was still way overpowered and was the center of too many storylines.

02-18-2014, 07:56 PM	#220
k_lala Hench Mutant Join Date: Jan 2010 Posts: 413	Mikey had plenty of air time, he was the hero and savor in the Notes from the Underground he had plenty of spot lights in all the Super hero team ups with Turtle Titan, the Battle Nexus champion etc. He also kicked Raph's butt so many times in the show. He was funny, he was an amazing fighter, and he showed us undisciplined and lazy he could be too. So to me he was near perfect.