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Old 01-30-2014, 11:04 AM   #21
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Yeah I think everyone knows

But it has micheal bays darling and media darling Megan fox in it. He most crtsinky had a say in thAt. And I would prefer if he was actually directing it cAuse I think the other guy is worse. It's just easy to pick on bay cause he's known for explosions and ruining franchises like Michael Chang,Alan Wan, and
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:11 AM   #22
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This record needed setting straight? Good to know.
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:42 AM   #23
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Old 01-30-2014, 11:59 AM   #24
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Every actor that's been interviewed about their role in the upcoming TMNT movie has made a point to say how this is Michael Bay's movie, his unique vision, his style, his turtles.

Michael Bay himself publicaly talks about it as if it's his picture bar one time when addressing the stigma the movie has picked up when he was quick to point out it's Jonathan Liebesman directing - I guess if it ends up being loved it's his picture and if not then it's Jonathan Liebesman's movie lol
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Old 01-30-2014, 12:08 PM   #25
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I am aware of this. Still doesn't raise my hopes for this movie.

Also, this video is about a year old, but it pretty much sums up my views on this movie:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Ms4-NWlOzU
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:14 AM   #26
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I've always known he was the producer. But regardless of his position and role with this film, his name is still attached to this movie in more ways than one and they're all showing.

It's like M. Night Shaymaylan. Once you see his name flash on a movie poster or trailer, it's gonna alienate people who are already aware of his previous work.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:29 AM   #27
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It has the stench of Michael Bay all over it, regardless.
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Old 01-31-2014, 07:30 AM   #28
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I wouldn't be surprised if the critics turned out to love it which will then infuriate most of us even MORE! HA! They didn't like the first movie and I'd say it's universally loved among TMNT fans. So we might actually WANT this movie to get a low score!
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:52 AM   #29
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Does it matter?

Directors on many large studio productions like this are basically just project-managers for the producers. They're there to coordinate shooting on the day-to-day, in a way in line with the producer and studio's vision, and often aren't even hired until well into pre-production when many of the creative decisions have been made.

Whatever this movie is, Bay will be at least as, if not more, responsible for it than Liebesman. He's the actual decision-maker. Liebesman's his employee.
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Old 01-31-2014, 02:03 PM   #30
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Why couldn't we get Sofia Coppola to direct this!!!
Because the Bling Ring was a horrible piece of garbage. Lost in Translation is her only claim to fame, and a TMNT movie in that style would be boring.

And I might be in the minority here but I like Michael Bay's work. Bad Boys is an awesome series, I thought Armageddon and The Rock were great. He's not Scorese or Speilberg but he makes blockbusters that are action packed and in my opinion good summer movies.

But of course he is not directing it, so that argument is neither here nor there.

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Because the Bling Ring was a horrible piece of garbage. Lost in Translation is her only claim to fame, and a TMNT movie in that style would be boring.

And I might be in the minority here but I like Michael Bay's work. Bad Boys is an awesome series, I thought Armageddon and The Rock were great. He's not Scorese or Speilberg but he makes blockbusters that are action packed and in my opinion good summer movies.

But of course he is not directing it, so that argument is neither here nor there.

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So long as your enjoy your summer movies laden with tired tropes, borderline racism, and over the line sexism. Sure!
Who doesn't love the lowest common denominator?

I quite liked the Bling Ring, but found Lost in Translation to be a bore of a movie.
Oh no! How sad! Let's watch these white people experience what it's like to be a minority. How tragic.

But Bay's stuff? Is a trick pony whose novelty has worn off.
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Old 01-31-2014, 03:27 PM   #32
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The only film of his I’ve liked is Wrath of the Titans. I actually thought that was better than Clash. I enjoy the look of his films. They have cinematography a lot like Neill Blomkamp’s films (although nothing else in common, don't worry cinephils). However, Bay has clearly had input in this film. The designs of the Turtles and Shredder have his finger prints all over them. And yes, I would actually (much) rather Bay was directing.
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So long as your enjoy your summer movies laden with tired tropes, borderline racism, and over the line sexism. Sure!
Who doesn't love the lowest common denominator?

I quite liked the Bling Ring, but found Lost in Translation to be a bore of a movie.
Oh no! How sad! Let's watch these white people experience what it's like to be a minority. How tragic.

But Bay's stuff? Is a trick pony whose novelty has worn off.
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Old 01-31-2014, 05:42 PM   #34
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Opinions are fine

Just better when they are backed by facts.
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Old 01-31-2014, 05:43 PM   #35
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Does it matter?

Directors on many large studio productions like this are basically just project-managers for the producers. They're there to coordinate shooting on the day-to-day, in a way in line with the producer and studio's vision, and often aren't even hired until well into pre-production when many of the creative decisions have been made.

Whatever this movie is, Bay will be at least as, if not more, responsible for it than Liebesman. He's the actual decision-maker. Liebesman's his employee.
This is exactly the case here, bay has more push and pull then Lieberman currently and is know for bring in people to the theaters. The people funding this are going pto be looking to bay to make their money back and hopefully more.
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:27 PM   #36
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The thing is, with Bay being producer of a film with a such a small-time director, it raises chances that he's got a lot more say than a producer on a Spielberg film. He may not be on set every day calling the action, but don't think for one second that he hasn't had any input on this thing.
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Does it matter?

Directors on many large studio productions like this are basically just project-managers for the producers. They're there to coordinate shooting on the day-to-day, in a way in line with the producer and studio's vision, and often aren't even hired until well into pre-production when many of the creative decisions have been made.

Whatever this movie is, Bay will be at least as, if not more, responsible for it than Liebesman. He's the actual decision-maker. Liebesman's his employee.
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Old 01-31-2014, 06:55 PM   #38
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Ok, it's true that this company (Platinum Dunes) is actually Michael Bay's company, but Bay is just a producer for TMNT 2014. He just forks over the money. Now, I don't know how much, if any, input Bay has in this movie, but it's directed by Jonathan Liebesman. I think Jonathan Liebesman really doesn't get enough credit on these forums, so I figured it would be great to take this chance to let everyone get to know the director of his movies.

So I present you Jonathan Liebesman's fine selection of films and their Rotten Tomatoes scores.

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/celebr...han_liebesman/

Darkness Falls - 10%
Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning - 12%
Wrath of the Titans - 25%
Battle: Los Angeles - 35%
The Killing Room - 67%

This is how he compares to Michael "Explosion" Bay.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen - 20%
Bad Boys II - 23%
Pearl Harbor - 25%
Transformers - Dark of the Moon - 36%
Armageddon - 40%
Bad Boys - 43%
Pain & Gain - 49%
Transformers - 57%
The Rock - 67%

You wish this was directed by Michael Bay.
And, then we have the Turtle movies that have already been made.

Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles-44%
TMNT Secret of the Ooze-36%
TMNT 3-27%
TMNT 2007-34%

So, even if Christopher Nolan or Bryan Singer were directing the movie, I still think it would get a rotten.
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Old 01-31-2014, 08:16 PM   #39
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I have a question that has been boggling the mind for a while:

People claim Bay has ALL the say and Liebesman is just his puppet, right? That as producer Bay is pulling Liebesman's strings, yes?

So....who's responsible for the crime against the Transformers? Everyone is quick to shout. "BAY!" but he was just the director...and as we've already postulated above he's just the puppet. So who was his puppet master? Hmm...I wonder....
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What....that can't be right. That guy's one of the "good ones." The ones that always come up when people say, "Michael Bay's no BETTER DIRECTOR HERE."

So, which is it? Is Michael Bay to blame for EVERYTHING or does the director indeed have more say than some are giving him credit?
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Old 01-31-2014, 09:06 PM   #40
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The thing is, with Bay being producer of a film with a such a small-time director, it raises chances that he's got a lot more say than a producer on a Spielberg film. He may not be on set every day calling the action, but don't think for one second that he hasn't had any input on this thing.
Imagine if Spielberg was directing this thing.
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