WHY?! Explanations of why you defend or are repulsed by the designs

[M-Frame]

I like the new designs for the most part (with the exception of Raph's durag and sunglasses). Sure I have a few gripes (yeah the nostrils and lips are a little too pronounced), but otherwise they're WAY better than I expected. Part of the reason I like them is cuz they're different. I don't understand why redesigning them is considered so unacceptable when this movie represents a reboot/rebirth and they've looked the same for roughly 30 years. It'd be one thing if they were redesigned to the extent that they were completely unrecognizable, but that's not the case!! It's not like you couldn't tell who was who when you first saw those images! Almost all of the X-Men have been redesigned several times over the past 30 years while still remaining recognizable. The same goes for zillions of other Marvel and DC characters, so why is it such a big deal when the TMNT are given a new look??

I know I'm gonna get roasted for this, but I honestly don't see why this movie is getting so much hate when we know so little about it (Michael Bay's involvement aside). What kills me is that it's like some people act like the TMNT franchise/property hasn't already been ruined and put through the wringer a zillion times before over the past 20 or so years. Let's be real! The franchise's initial mainstream breakthrough success came in the form of a cartoon adaption that was NOTHING like the source material. IMO it can't get any worse at this point.This might come off as either overly optimistic or extremely indifferent, but I'm convinced that this movie couldn't possibly out-suck the numerous ****** reboots/reincarnations we've seen thus far (NOT including the 2k3 series, of course). I dunno, you guys. I'm sure I'm around the same age as most of you (27) and we probably share a somewhat similar story when it comes to the start of our TMNT fandom. I can sort of understand everyone's passion (and cynicism) when it comes to this movie, because we as fans have been let down/disappointed so many times before. Although personally, at this point if it only turns out to be a halfway decent PG-13 action/sci-fi film (with some actual 'ninja' **** and less kiddie humor/goofy slapstick bs), I'll be more than satisfied.

[snake]

^
I assume you work at platnuim dunes

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by M-Frame

Ibut I'm convinced that this movie couldn't possibly out-suck the numerous ****** reboots/reincarnations we've seen thus far (NOT including the 2k3 series, of course). .

What **** reboots are you talking about? Both the current Nick cartoon and IDW comic are very well received.

[snake]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What **** reboots are you talking about? Both the current Nick cartoon and IDW comic are very well received.

Nevermind, he came from the YouTube comment section.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They won't be TMNT fans though. They'll be casuals looking at this random 80's property they are not familiar with beyond word of mouth.

They're still fans. Just not as obssessed as most of us here.

[Refractive Reflections]

Ugh... the same "it looks bad ass, that's all that matters" response, over and over again.

Yes... that's all we should be focusing on. Let's forget about the practicality of their designs (especially their clothes): Leonardo wearing ancient armor to possibly fight a futuristic armor wearing Shredder, Donatello wearing nerd glasses (when a genius like him should know that he should be wearing contacts minimally) during ninja fighting, or Michelangelo's loose chains hanging all over the place (which is gonna get annoying doing flips and somersaults), the hulkish size of them compared to the Turtle Van, the conspicuous gigantic trenchcoat disguise in the middle of New York City, Shredder (if we are to assume is human) miraculously being able to fight quickly with so much heavy armor. I mean TMNT is already a williing suspension of disbelief, so apparently I guess, why not take it to the point of having minimal practicality as possible right?

Or let's also forget about Megan Fox's bland acting, or the reputations of Bay and Liebesman because now the Turtles look "bad ass". Let's forget about all those concerns, because that's the most important thing, right? The "bad ass" image...?

While I will reserve my final judgement when I see the movie; the worries, concerns, and cyncism (premature to a degree) of some fans is understandable based on whatever information is slowly trickling in. Trust me, I would love to be proven wrong and have this film turn out well, but what should I expect when this movie is seemingly transforming these Turtles, and maybe even the premise itself to a degree, into almost caricatures of themselves?

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by snake

^
I assume you work at platnuim dunes

There's has been a massive influx of them recently that's for sure.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

There's has been a massive influx of them recently that's for sure.

seriously you people should just be happy there are new fans to this board like good fans should. hate someone that love the something you do just because they haven't been involved as long as you is so stupid you cyber and snake are the worse kind of fans seriously take you hate some where else.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

Ugh... the same "it looks bad ass, that's all that matters" response, over and over again.

Yes... that's all we should be focusing on. Let's forget about the practicality of their designs (especially their clothes): Leonardo wearing ancient armor to possibly fight a futuristic armor wearing Shredder, Donatello wearing nerd glasses (when a genius like him should know that he should be wearing contacts minimally) during ninja fighting, or Michelangelo's loose chains hanging all over the place (which is gonna get annoying doing flips and somersaults), the hulkish size of them compared to the Turtle Van, the conspicuous gigantic trenchcoat disguise in the middle of New York City, Shredder (if we are to assume is human) miraculously being able to fight quickly with so much heavy armor. I mean TMNT is already a williing suspension of disbelief, so apparently I guess, why not take it to the point of having minimal practicality as possible right?

Or let's also forget about Megan Fox's bland acting, or the reputations of Bay and Liebesman because now the Turtles look "bad ass". Let's forget about all those concerns, because that's the most important thing, right? The "bad ass" image...?

While I will reserve my final judgement when I see the movie; the worries, concerns, and cyncism (premature to a degree) of some fans is understandable based on whatever information is slowly trickling in. Trust me, I would love to be proven wrong and have this film turn out well, but what should I expect when this movie is seemingly transforming these Turtles, and maybe even the premise itself to a degree, into almost caricatures of themselves?

that's what I'm saying. I'm not completely against dressing the turtles up for the movie if they really feel they have to but why not do it practically. as it is with the possible exception of Donny none of what they have on looks particularly useful. some of it actually looks like it would make it harder to do ninja things

[M-Frame]

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

...but what should I expect when this movie is seemingly transforming these Turtles, and maybe even the premise itself to a degree, into almost caricatures of themselves?

Man, stop it. You act like the original cartoon and the movies (which I grew up on and watched religiously) didn't do this already! All that breaking the 4th wall ****, stupid gags, the cornball sitcom-y plots/plot devices, Vanilla Ice, pizza, the millions and millions of lame forgettable villains/allies (created specifically for the cartoon/movies instead of adapting some villains from the original comics. 'Keno', anyone??), etc. You're sitting here going on about what accessories would or wouldn't be practical in battle?? I got 3 words for you: Combat Cold Cuts! My point is TMNT has caricatured itself countless times in the past, particularly through the movie sequels and the original cartoon. Where was the artistic integrity in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pies??? I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just saying that after all this time, it's too late in the game to defend or debate over the integrity/quality of the franchise. It's not like the property has been handled perfectly thus far. I'm saying you all need to stop acting like Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes is the worst thing to happen to TMNT. The worst has been done several times before! We all know we're never gonna see anything close to a 'TMNT Begins' as much as we might want to! So yeah I guess you're right in a way. After all the years of seeing this property fail to live up to its full potential because of countless studios/writers/directors mishandling it, I feel like all we can hope for is a 'Bad Ass' movie!

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

What **** reboots are you talking about? Both the current Nick cartoon and IDW comic are very well received.

'Next Mutation' was garbage. 'Fast Forward' was ****. The 'Image' Comics series was garbage. I've watched some of the Nick cartoon and enjoyed it, but I'm not a kid anymore so I'm all set. IMO it's what the original cartoon should've been. The IDW comic is sick.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Originally Posted by M-Frame

Man, stop it. You act like the original cartoon and the movies (which I grew up on and watched religiously) didn't do this already! All that breaking the 4th wall ****, stupid gags, the cornball sitcom-y plots/plot devices, Vanilla Ice, pizza, the millions and millions of lame forgettable villains/allies (created specifically for the cartoon/movies instead of adapting some villains from the original comics. 'Keno', anyone??), etc. You're sitting here going on about what accessories would or wouldn't be practical in battle?? I got 3 words for you: Combat Cold Cuts! My point is TMNT has caricatured itself countless times in the past, particularly through the movie sequels and the original cartoon. Where was the artistic integrity in Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles Pies??? I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm just saying that after all this time, it's too late in the game to defend or debate over the integrity/quality of the franchise. It's not like the property has been handled perfectly thus far. I'm saying you all need to stop acting like Michael Bay/Platinum Dunes is the worst thing to happen to TMNT. The worst has been done several times before! We all know we're never gonna see anything close to a 'TMNT Begins' as much as we might want to! So yeah I guess you're right in a way. After all the years of seeing this property fail to live up to its full potential because of countless studios/writers/directors mishandling it, I feel like all we can hope for is a 'Bad Ass' movie!



'Next Mutation' was garbage. 'Fast Forward' was ****. The 'Image' Comics series was garbage. I've watched some of the Nick cartoon and enjoyed it, but I'm not a kid anymore so I'm all set. IMO it's what the original cartoon should've been. The IDW comic is sick.

Don't you EVER bad mouth Keno!!! What the hell has he ever done to you?!?!

[Candy Kappa]

It's never to late to talk about the integrity and quality of this property.

You might not like sausage-chucks and bland ice cream rapper, but at least it was somewhat within the realm of it's own premise. Even a caricature must still be properly handled to be good, it takes work.

And it's laughable that people expects this movie to be "serious" if the designs are silly 90's Xtreme and most of what we've seen isn't exactly on a dark tonal level. The humor in the new TMNT movie is most likely be on the same level as the Transformers movies, and we can only count us lucky if it isn't as bad as TF2 level of "humor" and ONLY like the others.

Deep Wang.

[Raphael232]

I just like the dark look to them, clothes dont bother me much. Plus some of you people are hilarious, you saw some action figures and believe they will look like that throughout the whole movie. There have been a lot of variations of turtles toys dating way back to the original ones. Just looking at the movie poster, I find nothing wrong with them.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Raphael232

I just like the dark look to them, clothes dont bother me much. Plus some of you people are hilarious, you saw some action figures and believe they will look like that throughout the whole movie. There have been a lot of variations of turtles toys dating way back to the original ones. Just looking at the movie poster, I find nothing wrong with them.

You do know that the leaked picture of the 12 inch action figures reflect the designs on the poster and Maquettes perfectly.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

You do know that the leaked picture of the 12 inch action figures reflect the designs on the poster and Maquettes perfectly.

But that still doesn't mean that they will wear all that stuff throughout the entire movie

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Raphael_9859

But that still doesn't mean that they will wear all that stuff throughout the entire movie

Yeah, Mikey and Raph might take off their glasses.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yeah, Mikey and Raph might take off their glasses.

I kinda doubt they will wear all that stuff while lounging or sleeping. I'm just saying it's not a fair guess to assume they will wear it the whole movie. They might...then again they might not

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Raphael_9859

But that still doesn't mean that they will wear all that stuff throughout the entire movie

Why not?
It's what we see on the poster for the toy fair, there are no other movie toy variants, that's how the Maquettes looks like when it would have been easier and cheaper to print/sculpt them without the clothes.

What we see is most likely the default on how the turtles looks like in this movie, maybe during downtime the turtles will take off excessive parts of their costume, but most likely not. Maybe the turtles gets stripped from their costumes when taken by the Foot, but that still doesn't change that the designs we've seen is most likely the default that will stay for the majority of the movie.

And even without the clothes, I personally still have issues with the very core design of all the turtles, baring form minor issues to big ones.

[A_Little_Too_Raph.9859]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Why not?
It's what we see on the poster for the toy fair, there are no other movie toy variants, that's how the Maquettes looks like when it would have been easier and cheaper to print/sculpt them without the clothes.

What we see is most likely the default on how the turtles looks like in this movie, maybe during downtime the turtles will take off excessive parts of their costume, but most likely not. Maybe the turtles gets stripped from their costumes when taken by the Foot, but that still doesn't change that the designs we've seen is most likely the default that will stay for the majority of the movie.

And even without the clothes, I personally still have issues with the very core design of all the turtles, baring form minor issues to big ones.

The majority of the movie, yes maybe so...but to say the entire movie, I'm not ready to make that jump yet

[Candy Kappa]

I doubt that they are gonna spend a lot of money making more then necessary CG models for the turtles.