Old Instagram photo reveals info about The Foot

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

It doesn't matter that Marvel is portraying Nick Fury as black because there's no shortage of white characters for white actors to play in big budget movies.

It DOES matter that a character that has been traditionally Japanese in nearly if not all media has now been racebent and is being played by a white guy.

It's whitewashing.

The reason why Nick Fury is black in the Marvel movies, Is because hes based on Ultimate Nick Fury, Whose black and looks like Samuel Jackson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

The reason why Nick Fury is black in the Marvel movies, Is because hes based on Ultimate Nick Fury, Whose black and looks like Samuel Jackson.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultimate_Nick_Fury

Yes I'm aware of that as well but it wasn't pertinent to the discussion.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

It doesn't matter that Marvel is portraying Nick Fury as black because there's no shortage of white characters for white actors to play in big budget movies.

It DOES matter that a character that has been traditionally Japanese in nearly if not all media has now been racebent and is being played by a white guy.

It's whitewashing.

So what if his portrayal of shredder is the best we have ever seen. That's what most are worried about. Regardless of race. Its that they want the best version he can be. And while part of his character is race that's not the most important part. It how he acts and his relationship to the turtles. If he happens to have a back story about being adopted or his patents had a love affair, then fine but that's not the only part of his character and what if they cast an Asian in the role as schradder would it mater he was Asian? No

I just think to say the actor sucks only based on the color of his skin is just as racist as "white washing" for any race. ho is to say they didn't try casting for people of Asian descent but in turn didn't find anyone maybe does to scheduling conflicts or any number of reason truth is we don't know but I'm not going to condemn him till i see his performance

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

I just think to say the actor sucks only based on the color of his skin is just as racist as "white washing" for any race.

No it's not.

William Fichtner is a terrible choice for Shredder.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

No it's not.

William Fichtner is a terrible choice for Shredder.

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

That maybe so, but why did they have to go with him as Shredder? Shredder has, is, and always should be Oroku Saki, not "Eric Sachs". To change both his race and name is just pointless. Even in the 2k3 series where he was an alien, they still kept the Oroku Saki persona. I mean, is it really so hard to find a Japanese actor in Hollywood to portray him?

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Why other then his race and you thinking he's old and fat. He has great acting skills. I think even award winning

Oprah Winfrey is also a good actor.

Doesn't mean she should play Shredder.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

That maybe so, but why did they have to go with him as Shredder? Shredder has, is, and always should be Oroku Saki, not "Eric Sachs". To change both his race and name is just pointless. Even in the 2k3 series where he was an alien, they still kept the Oroku Saki persona. I mean, is it really so hard to find a Japanese actor in Hollywood to portray him?

We do not know whether or not he doesn't use Oroku Saki. There are rumors about him being adopted and having his brother which he had in the comics and there is no evidence that it's fake. My point is we don't know and won't until it releases our at very least a trailer releases. And assuming things doesn't make them true.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Oprah Winfrey is also a good actor.

Doesn't mean she should play Shredder.

Stop deflecting. That's not the point sand you know it. He had played similar villainous roles in the past. That fits the"shredder" type mold. And had done very well with those roles. So again i ask so why assume he's bad for the part based on his race and your own negligible opinions.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

There are rumors about him being adopted and having his brother which he had in the comics and there is no evidence that it's fake.

No those were not rumors. It was speculation/wishful thinking from some fans trying desperately to find anything even remotely positive about this movie during development.

That's not the point sand you know it.

That's exactly the point. Just because somebody is a good actor doesn't make them right for a role.

[DarkLightDragon]

Yeah, actors are only as good as the direction and script that they are given.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by DarkLightDragon

Yeah, actors are only as good as the direction and script that they are given.

That director/writers credit on the movie's wiki page is a real bummer.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

No those were not rumors. It was speculation/wishful thinking from some fans trying desperately to find anything even remotely positive about this movie during development.

It was a rumor started by someone who new someone who was part of the movie some how.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

That's exactly the point. Just because somebody is a good actor doesn't make them right for a role.

But a good actor who has played similar roles and has done well in them, is not good for the role??? that makes no sense?

Because that's the point I'm making. William Fichtner as played Dark Villainous Roles and where considered Very good marks and Portrayed very well By him. He Been in allot of role and is considered a very good actor. But you seem to think he is bad Based on his race and the fact that you think he is old and fat which you think based off of one photo.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

It was a rumor started by someone who new someone who was part of the movie some how.

Wow.

Because that's the point I'm making. William Fichtner as played Dark Villainous Roles and where considered Very good marks and Portrayed very well By him. He Been in allot of role and is considered a very good actor. But you seem to think he is bad Based on his race and the fact that you think he is old and fat which you think based off of one photo.

Yes. He is the wrong choice of actor to play Oroku Saki aka Shredder, leader of the Foot Ninja.

I don't give two ***** that Michael ****ing Bay and Jonathan Liebesman racebent Shredder into a white military guy so that Michael Bay's friend William Fichtner could play the role.

It's a **** decision all around any way you slice it.

Why do you care so much that I think this is a bad casting choice for a bastardized version of a great character?

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Wow.

Yes. He is the wrong choice of actor to play Oroku Saki aka Shredder, leader of the Foot Ninja.

Because no one can portray a ninja Besides an Asian Man.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I don't give two ***** that Michael ****ing Bay and Jonathan Liebesman racebent Shredder into a white military guy so that Michael Bay's friend William Fichtner could play the role.

It's a **** decision all around any way you slice it.

Basing this on assumptions again based on someone saying hey i think these two are friends. I haven't ever seen real evidence of this. And that Obviously the only reason he got cast not the Fact that he has had a plethora of acting experience and has played similar characters.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Why do you care so much that I think this is a bad casting choice for a bastardized version of a great character?

Because You don't know its a bastardization your making assumptions and your not even giving the benefit of the doubt, and waiting till you actually see him on screen. To at least Make a call that he was the wrong choice.

And I cant personally express my opinion with out you telling me hes a washed up has bin who sucking Micheal bays ****. I'm glade you think so but that's your opinion mine is that, we don't know the full story and I'm sure there is a reasonable explanation That doesn't involve what i just posted above


Many people though Heath Ledger was wrong Tons of people think Jesse Eisenberg Is a bad choice for lex luthor.
http://latino-review.com/2014/02/exc...n-vs-superman/.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Because no one can portray a ninja Besides an Asian Man.

Because no one besides a Japanese man should portray a live action Oroku Saki.

You cannot be this dense.

Because You don't know its a bastardization

Yes I do. Because it's literally the dictionary definition.

bas·tard·ize (băs′tər-dīz′)
tr.v. bas·tard·ized, bas·tard·iz·ing, bas·tard·iz·es
1. To lower in quality or character; debase.

Making Shredder, Japanese man whose real name is Oroku Saki, into a white guy named Eric Sachs is a bastardization of Shredder.

It's more of Michael Bay's ********.

And I cant personally express my opinion with out you telling me hes a washed up has bin who sucking Micheal bays ****.

Is William Fichtner related to you or something? Like, your cousin or your uncle? Because dear god, I can't think of any other reason why you'd be so perturbed by anything I have to say regarding him, even though I've LITERALLY NEVER SAID HE'S A WASHED UP HAS BEEN.

If you're going to start just making **** up, I can't really see what the point of even bothering with you is.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Because no one besides a Japanese man should portray a live action Oroku Saki.

I just don't agree if there was a person who was any-other race but played the character well i would not care Because Race is not how characters are built. If Eric Sache is a mane raise by a Japanese family then he is just as much apart of that culture and that does not matter what the color of his skin is.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yes I do. Because it's literally the dictionary definition.

bas·tard·ize (băs′tər-dīz′)
tr.v. bas·tard·ized, bas·tard·iz·ing, bas·tard·iz·es
1. To lower in quality or character; debase.

And You KNOW for a FACT this "Lowers" the quality of this movie with out even seeing it im glade to know your physic.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Making Shredder, Japanese man whose real name is Oroku Saki, into a white guy named Eric Sachs is a bastardization of Shredder.

You dont even know if Eric Sachs is just an Alias. this has not been proven. Fichtner has even said shredder goes through changes Maybe he grows up as a child of a Japanese family or maybe he is reincarnated as an American. we just DO NOT KNOW.

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Is William Fichtner related to you or something? Like, your cousin or your uncle? Because dear god, I can't think of any other reason why you'd be so perturbed by anything I have to say regarding him, even though I've LITERALLY NEVER SAID HE'S A WASHED UP HAS BEEN.

If you're going to start just making **** up, I can't really see what the point of even bothering with you is.

I'm not related to Him i just think your accusation of him being terrible Being old and being fat,
has–been
noun \ˈhaz-ˌbin, -ˌben, chiefly British -ˌbēn\

: a person who is no longer popular or successful
Which you may not have said but you've implied it.
also not being worthy of the character (DISREGARDING race) is what upsets me.

[Chris_a_Bunga]

This could be a little too much, but based on what they've said I feel like there is gonna be the real Shredder (Oroku Saki) in Japan leading an American version of the foot with this Eric Sachs version as his American head. Which could explain black ops esq foot soldiers. And possibly the sequels could build upon the turtles facing up against Shredder at some point in the trilogy. I've seen that Minae Noji who is Asian is playing Karai in the film. Maybe Oroku Saki sends her to clean up the mess at one point in the film, revealing a bigger threat..
William Fichtner did say something along the lines of "anyone can become or accept the role of the Shredder"


Just a thought, I just really want this story to be good, and something like this I would be down with for sure and I've been playing the scenario of this in my head.

This is my first post on here, much love to fellow Turtle Fans!

[Jester]

I'd agree Chris, if Fichtner wasn't already contracted for the entire trilogy himself...

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by Chris_a_Bunga

This could be a little too much, but based on what they've said I feel like there is gonna be the real Shredder (Oroku Saki) in Japan leading an American version of the foot with this Eric Sachs version as his American head. Which could explain black ops esq foot soldiers. And possibly the sequels could build upon the turtles facing up against Shredder at some point in the trilogy. I've seen that Minae Noji who is Asian is playing Karai in the film. Maybe Oroku Saki sends her to clean up the mess at one point in the film, revealing a bigger threat..
William Fichtner did say something along the lines of "anyone can become or accept the role of the Shredder"


Just a thought, I just really want this story to be good, and something like this I would be down with for sure and I've been playing the scenario of this in my head.

This is my first post on here, much love to fellow Turtle Fans!

Pipedreams my man.

They aren't going to confuse the audience like that.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Race is not how characters are built.

The Shredder is a Japanese man, born & raised in Japan, who based his lifestyle on that of both the Samurai & Ninja simultaneously, adorning armor reminiscent of the Edo period, being a part of a clan, honoring death before dishonor, etc.

Totally not built around his race, though.

Just give up already. You aren't going to convince anyone to align themselves with your way of thinking. This is obvious, is it not?