Turtles Forever: a direct insult to the old 1987 cartoon?

[Pterobat]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wow, I actually agree with everything in that blog post. He actually lists why I and many others still like the original toon. As repetitive or silly as the show got sometimes, it was just fun because of the wackiness.

People need to accept the original toon universe for what it was, and not dock it for the lack of story arcs, character development, plot twists, etc.

Oh, hey, a friend of mine wrote that after we marathoned some of the TMNT show via AIM with him.

Re: I think it's not that the FW Turtles were less competent, but that TF was a clashing of universes where the "laws" of each were so totally different that each group felt out of their depths when confronted with the others' worlds--look at how baffled the 2k3 Turtles are when they go into the FW dimension.

"Turtles Forever" is just having fun with the contrast between universes.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Xav

This pretty much sums it up.
http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2013/02/t...was-right.html

Yep. YEP. Nailed it.

Some fans act like the original 1987 miniseries is indicative of the show as a whole, but it's really not. Things got increasingly ridiculous as the show went on. And I don't mean that in a negative way - it's just true, and also a part of its appeal.

Originally Posted by Pterobat

Oh, hey, a friend of mine wrote that after we marathoned some of the TMNT show via AIM with him.

Re: I think it's not that the FW Turtles were less competent, but that TF was a clashing of universes where the "laws" of each were so totally different that each group felt out of their depths when confronted with the others' worlds--look at how baffled the 2k3 Turtles are when they go into the FW dimension.

"Turtles Forever" is just having fun with the contrast between universes.

Exactly. A big focus of the movie was the 2003 cast being baffled by the 1987 show's logic and "laws", and yet they proved surprisingly effective, even essential, throughout the story. As much as the '87 cartoon's silliness was the butt of the joke, the 2003 show's comparative seriousness was also proven "wrong" or closed-minded more than once. The contrast goes both ways.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Pterobat

Oh, hey, a friend of mine wrote that after we marathoned some of the TMNT show via AIM with him.

Re: I think it's not that the FW Turtles were less competent, but that TF was a clashing of universes where the "laws" of each were so totally different that each group felt out of their depths when confronted with the others' worlds--look at how baffled the 2k3 Turtles are when they go into the FW dimension.

"Turtles Forever" is just having fun with the contrast between universes.

Very true. My favorite line from the movie is when 2k3 Leo says, "Our Shredder is not like your Shredder. He's menacing!"

And then 2k3 Mikey says, "And competent!"



This is where the contrast is. 80's Shredder can be taken down in a fight by the Turtles throwing a pizza pie in his face (and this has happened in the show), while Ch'rell was a tough fight to beat every time.

I love the comparison.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

To me, Ch'rell was stupidly overpowered. It should not have been that hard to squish him.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Xav

This pretty much sums it up.
http://gregxb.blogspot.com/2013/02/t...was-right.html

that blog proves nothing and i disagree with it 100%. it just a very stereotypical way of putting it and it even says he didnt watch all the episodes. yes its true, a lot of those things did actually happen in the show, but they were evenly distributed amon the other action and seroious scenes, they didnt happen 30 times in one episode nonstop as "turtles forever" makes it seem. the script was made by haters of the ot. i can go on and on about all the thing "turtles forever" got wrong but there just too many flaws to point out. it is what it is.

[CowabungaMikey]

Originally Posted by 1987

that blog proves nothing and i disagree with it 100%. it just a very stereotypical way of putting it and it even says he didnt watch all the episodes. yes its true, a lot of those things did actually happen in the show, but they were evenly distributed amon the other action and seroious scenes, they didnt happen 30 times in one episode nonstop as "turtles forever" makes it seem. the script was made by haters of the ot. i can go on and on about all the thing "turtles forever" got wrong but there just too many flaws to point out. it is what it is.

Totally agree with this post. Phelous pointed out my opinion in his Turtles Forever video pretty well.

[Powder]

Pretty hard to take this thread seriously when it's been made by someone obsessed with the OT who hates the Nick series and probably others.

[ticktack]

Originally Posted by Powder

Pretty hard to take this thread seriously when it's been made by someone obsessed with the OT who hates the Nick series and probably others.

pfft .
What are you talking about? Different people will have different preferences.

[TMNT_Guy]

Originally Posted by CowabungaMikey

Totally agree with this post. Phelous pointed out my opinion in his Turtles Forever video pretty well.

I was wondering if anyone was going to mention Phelous's video. I laugh everytime that sad Charlie Brown Christmas music plays.
http://blip.tv/phelous/turtles-forever-5950224

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by Powder

Pretty hard to take this thread seriously when it's been made by someone obsessed with the OT who hates the Nick series and probably others.

Should we not take you seriously cause you dislike the next mutation and like everything else. He poses a real question if you don't take it seriously then don't post just to say you don't take it seriously. How is that in anyway productive. Spread love, don't spew hate.

[1987]

Originally Posted by Powder

Pretty hard to take this thread seriously when it's been made by someone obsessed with the OT who hates the Nick series and probably others.

dude i havent even mentioned the nick series in this thread as it wasnt even invented yet when this movie came out so its irrelevent. i actualy do like the 4kids tmnt as a different take on the turtles i was just disgusted how they were constanstly bashing the ot turtles in the movie. but the nick show is in a league of its own. i dont like it because its aimed at a 5-10 year old audience, its just too "nickelodeon" for me. i always saw the tmnt as mirage, not nick. but i guess it was inevitable when the property was sold to nickelodeon.

[Tazi]

I tought that they went a bit for with the TF portrayal, until I rewatched some OT episodes. All the goofiness, the break of the 4th wall thing, saving April again and again, it's all there. They was always was there, and I like it that way.

Besides TF indeed does some self-aware humour, but that goes for 4Kids and Mirage too. Like how they kill Shredder with a trashcan, etc.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by turtlefanforever

Should we not take you seriously cause you dislike the next mutation and like everything else. He poses a real question if you don't take it seriously then don't post just to say you don't take it seriously. How is that in anyway productive. Spread love, don't spew hate.

I love the Next Mutation & I have made that fact very well known. Nice try. & you are the last person on this board who should be giving that advice.

[billbot85]

When I first watched Turtles Forever, I also felt that it was directly insulting the OT. I felt they over-exaggerated a lot of the goofy antics, even if they were pretty much true. Although I do agree that the film was trying to show the significant contrast between the different tmnt universes, and I was glad that the OT turtles still helped save the day.

Perhaps I'm too nostalgic for the OT, despite how ridiculous some of the episodes were (Mr. Ogg, anyone?). Still, I felt Turtles Forever kinda just over-stereo-typed the OT turtles as just bumbling idiots and cowards.

[Gabriel GP]

Everybody says that if you intend to watch the OT, you have to do without taking too serious, just relax and watch. So why when we see TF we just don't do the same? The OT are goofy, if they made them more or less goofy in TF doesn't matter that much.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

I think the only thing that i didn't like was the part, like a lot of people in this thread have said, where the OT Turtles start crying.

That would be out of character for any of the Turtle incarnation.

[Icebot]

I'll admit that in some scenes, the "87 turtles may have done some smart things but I think they went way overboard in making the turtles seem like idiots, especially when 3 of them cried and went into 2k3 Raph's arms like he was their babysitter or something.

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by 1987

dude i havent even mentioned the nick series in this thread as it wasnt even invented yet when this movie came out so its irrelevent. i actualy do like the 4kids tmnt as a different take on the turtles i was just disgusted how they were constanstly bashing the ot turtles in the movie. but the nick show is in a league of its own. i dont like it because its aimed at a 5-10 year old audience, its just too "nickelodeon" for me. i always saw the tmnt as mirage, not nick. but i guess it was inevitable when the property was sold to nickelodeon.

Only thing to come out of that dudes mouth that isn't hate is if he's talking about a personal accomplishment. Don't stress. Just talk turtles and ignore the hate as best you can. But I'm with you on the treatment of the characters, but I understand it. They definitely could have held back a bit.

[JTH]

Originally Posted by 1987

I dont like it because its aimed at a 5-10 year old audience, its just too "nickelodeon" for me. i always saw the tmnt as mirage, not nick. but i guess it was inevitable when the property was sold to nickelodeon.

..........

So a fan of the 87' kid show to the max, doesn't like the Nick show cause it's aimed at kids...

Boy, if that the damnedest thing I've ever heard. Is there a punch line to this joke I'm not getting?

[NinjaPug]

Originally Posted by 1987

dude i havent even mentioned the nick series in this thread as it wasnt even invented yet when this movie came out so its irrelevent. i actualy do like the 4kids tmnt as a different take on the turtles i was just disgusted how they were constanstly bashing the ot turtles in the movie. but the nick show is in a league of its own. i dont like it because its aimed at a 5-10 year old audience, its just too "nickelodeon" for me. i always saw the tmnt as mirage, not nick. but i guess it was inevitable when the property was sold to nickelodeon.

This post is so confusing. You say you "always saw the tmnt as mirage" yet view the "4kids tmnt as a different take on the turtles"

I'm all for people liking/not liking different adaptations of TMNT but it's tough for me to understand liking the OT but hating the Nick version because it's not Mirage.

Your posts sound like you believe the OT was based on Mirage.