Most incompetent version of the Turtles?

Bjarni · 03-28-2014, 01:23 PM

I honestly thought that the Ninja Turtles were going to learn something with the giant Cockroach episode. Instead of just mindlessly bashing at enemies that could easily become allies.

Mutagen Man was another episode where I honestly thought we would get a message at the end. More than that, I thought the Turtles would fix their mistakes. Instead of creating more of them. The Turtles never seem to learn or even notice that they make mistakes in the first place.

It's not until they lose TCGRI Mutagen all over the place and actually mutate April's dad that they realize that they kinda suck. And even then, they waste no time feeling sorry for themselves and just go and beat up April's scared mutated dad.

I haven't seen all of the latest episodes, so I hope they get to redeem themselves soon.

What do you guys think? Is this the most incompetent the Turtles have ever been when it comes to saving the world from threats?

Bossa Nova · 03-28-2014, 01:31 PM

I agree. I often see this lack of competence as being excused by the fact that they're "real teenagers now" and are going to take time to mature. But I think this is doing a HUGE disservice to the intelligence and capabilities of real teenagers out there who DO actually change after surviving through violent or life-threatening situations.

*Candy Kappa* · 03-28-2014, 01:32 PM

Their four teenagers trying their best.

he show do seen to revert back to "status quo" more often then keeping continuity of character growth. But really, they aren't incompetent, it's just that the overarching plot have to be stretched over a season.

*CyberCubed* · 03-28-2014, 01:38 PM

Who cares? This is a younger version of the Turtles with a more parent version of Splinter.

*BabyTurtles* · 03-28-2014, 01:42 PM

They aren't incompetent, they saved the world a few times already.

they are teens, they are going to make the same mistakes. It's what kids do.

they have good hearts and are doing their best. Not everyone would put themselves in danger for others...or even the world.

alliance · 03-28-2014, 01:44 PM

this adaption seems more real then the other two cartoons.. im liking every damn bit of it so far

kolaida · 03-28-2014, 04:04 PM

Maybe arguably incompetent compared to other universes. Definitely amusing, though! I do hope they'll grow more and more but so far, it seems like they've shown some levels of development (if small), but it takes a lot for people to learn. Quite a few kids have to do stuff over and over again, and, if they have issues (like Raph with anger, Mikey with ADHD, Donnie (and more than likely Leo as well) with OCD), it's not like you just learn from it and you go, "Oh, I got it now." Then BAM, it goes away-- not with stuff like that. Some kids/people do better with it than others while others struggle with it more. It's not like, "Oh, lesson learned. We'll never have that problem again!"

~~electric_sheep~~ · 03-28-2014, 04:13 PM

This cartoon belongs in the eighties. By the next episode they forget everything they learned, and it basically has no plot. It just doesn't feel like ninja turtles.

*Donatello19* · 03-28-2014, 05:22 PM

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

*Powder* · 03-28-2014, 06:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

This 100%.

~~electric_sheep~~ · 03-28-2014, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Donatello19

Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

hmm, no, no. Even Teens learn from their mistakes. These ****er's never learn anything. There are what, like 40 episodes? and they haven't moved and inch from the first episode. Each step they take in the next episode they take one back.

*Powder* · 03-28-2014, 06:22 PM

They have absolutely made progression, the difference here is it's being done realistically (spread out over time). With Nick in control of this, the series could potentially have the kind of staying power that Spongebob does, so there's no point in rushing things. That's how I see it, anyway.

*JTH* · 03-28-2014, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by electric_sheep

hmm, no, no. Even Teens learn from their mistakes. These ****er's never learn anything.

Do you know the same teens I know?

Teens I have been forced to witness these days only learn things after a lost limb is involved...

*Warhorse* · 03-28-2014, 07:20 PM

To answer the OP question, yes, they are.

I have had some marathons, an in the most competent to the least, this is how I see it.

OT the most competent (even Mikey was counted on 100%,)

2k3-Most of the time in the earlier seasons before it turned into Leonardo and his bumbling sidekick brothers.

Nick toon-But granted, I actually like the down time vs the action time, in that they do have great characterization in the show.

Bjarni · 03-28-2014, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by alliance

this adaption seems more real then the other two cartoons.. im liking every damn bit of it so far

I'm completely fine with them making "human" errors and I think they are reacting in a more realistic way in many ways. I liked how Casey Jones was introduced and stuff and how the Turtles eventually got to know him when they came back in April's life.

But what I don't like is having April apologizing to the Turtles for ditching them for a couple of weeks. THEY MUTATED HER FATHER. Obviously I don't want her out of the show or to be angry at the Turtles, I'm fine with her forgiving them. I just don't want them to forgive themselves.

By that I don't mean I want the show to go all grim with brooding. I just want to see them tire themselves out looking for all the TCRI Mutagen cans and pushing themselves further because they are Ninjas and need to right their wrongs.

Bjarni · 03-28-2014, 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Powder

With Nick in control of this, the series could potentially have the kind of staying power that Spongebob does, so there's no point in rushing things. That's how I see it, anyway.

Viacom bought the Ninja Turtles rights thinking things in long term.

They are probably hoping for 10+ seasons.

*Shark_Blade* · 03-28-2014, 08:35 PM

This thread is incompetent.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2014, 08:48 PM

They kinda sorta are... but I kinda blame the media they're in... it's more of the plot amnesia more than anything. If they were more serious they should have been on the lookout for April's dad and not stop til they found him. If all it took was for Raph to insult Donnie on how he's never gonna get able to finally get his **** together and seek out and rescue her dad.... he should have dissed him a long time ago. Then the current plot... they should be roaming the streets every night looking for every last Mutagen bottle... not just lying around until the next mutant comes to them.

Again, outside the show I understand this is still a kiddie show, and despite the story moving forward, it's still done in a episodic format with the occasional two-parter. They have to mix it up. They need to shell out more characters for toys. They can't have the Turtles locked in a season-long story arc, they need to throw in some filler characters and whatnot to shell out those toys. But within the show it does make them a bit stupid.

They're also not all that wholesome. I don't mean they're evil or anything, but wow, except for Don, the others have zero sympathy for what happened to Timothy. They all had a 'well, sucks for him' attitude about it.

*CyberCubed* · 03-28-2014, 08:53 PM

This is a dumb thread. The show is morally ambiguous in the Turtles actions which makes it a good show. This isn't a bland superhero show.

*Coola Yagami* · 03-28-2014, 09:01 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

This is a dumb thread.

Then stay out of it....?

03-28-2014, 01:23 PM	#1
Bjarni Hench Mutant Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Iceland Posts: 285	Most incompetent version of the Turtles? I honestly thought that the Ninja Turtles were going to learn something with the giant Cockroach episode. Instead of just mindlessly bashing at enemies that could easily become allies. Mutagen Man was another episode where I honestly thought we would get a message at the end. More than that, I thought the Turtles would fix their mistakes. Instead of creating more of them. The Turtles never seem to learn or even notice that they make mistakes in the first place. It's not until they lose TCGRI Mutagen all over the place and actually mutate April's dad that they realize that they kinda suck. And even then, they waste no time feeling sorry for themselves and just go and beat up April's scared mutated dad. I haven't seen all of the latest episodes, so I hope they get to redeem themselves soon. What do you guys think? Is this the most incompetent the Turtles have ever been when it comes to saving the world from threats? __________________ My YouTube account

03-28-2014, 01:31 PM	#2
Bossa Nova Stone Warrior Join Date: Jul 2012 Location: United States, California Posts: 592	I agree. I often see this lack of competence as being excused by the fact that they're "real teenagers now" and are going to take time to mature. But I think this is doing a HUGE disservice to the intelligence and capabilities of real teenagers out there who DO actually change after surviving through violent or life-threatening situations. __________________ Nova's TMNT Fanfics

03-28-2014, 01:32 PM	#3
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Their four teenagers trying their best. he show do seen to revert back to "status quo" more often then keeping continuity of character growth. But really, they aren't incompetent, it's just that the overarching plot have to be stretched over a season. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

03-28-2014, 01:42 PM	#5
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	They aren't incompetent, they saved the world a few times already. they are teens, they are going to make the same mistakes. It's what kids do. they have good hearts and are doing their best. Not everyone would put themselves in danger for others...or even the world. __________________

03-28-2014, 01:44 PM	#6
alliance Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2012 Posts: 328	this adaption seems more real then the other two cartoons.. im liking every damn bit of it so far __________________ 80's TURTLES MUCH COOLER THAN FORGOTTEN 4KIDS

03-28-2014, 01:38 PM	#4
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	Who cares? This is a younger version of the Turtles with a more parent version of Splinter.

03-28-2014, 04:04 PM	#7
kolaida Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2010 Posts: 240	Maybe arguably incompetent compared to other universes. Definitely amusing, though! I do hope they'll grow more and more but so far, it seems like they've shown some levels of development (if small), but it takes a lot for people to learn. Quite a few kids have to do stuff over and over again, and, if they have issues (like Raph with anger, Mikey with ADHD, Donnie (and more than likely Leo as well) with OCD), it's not like you just learn from it and you go, "Oh, I got it now." Then BAM, it goes away-- not with stuff like that. Some kids/people do better with it than others while others struggle with it more. It's not like, "Oh, lesson learned. We'll never have that problem again!"

03-28-2014, 04:13 PM	#8
~~electric_sheep~~ Banned Join Date: Dec 2012 Posts: 1,639	This cartoon belongs in the eighties. By the next episode they forget everything they learned, and it basically has no plot. It just doesn't feel like ninja turtles.

03-28-2014, 05:22 PM	#9
Donatello19 Merchandise Maniac Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: New York Posts: 5,919	Incompetent? No. Realistic teens? Yes.

03-28-2014, 06:22 PM	#12
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	They have absolutely made progression, the difference here is it's being done realistically (spread out over time). With Nick in control of this, the series could potentially have the kind of staying power that Spongebob does, so there's no point in rushing things. That's how I see it, anyway.

03-28-2014, 07:20 PM	#14
Warhorse Emperor Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 5,544	To answer the OP question, yes, they are. I have had some marathons, an in the most competent to the least, this is how I see it. OT the most competent (even Mikey was counted on 100%,) 2k3-Most of the time in the earlier seasons before it turned into Leonardo and his bumbling sidekick brothers. Nick toon-But granted, I actually like the down time vs the action time, in that they do have great characterization in the show.

03-28-2014, 08:35 PM	#17
Shark_Blade Emperor Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 7,909	This thread is incompetent.

03-28-2014, 08:48 PM	#18
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,710	They kinda sorta are... but I kinda blame the media they're in... it's more of the plot amnesia more than anything. If they were more serious they should have been on the lookout for April's dad and not stop til they found him. If all it took was for Raph to insult Donnie on how he's never gonna get able to finally get his **** together and seek out and rescue her dad.... he should have dissed him a long time ago. Then the current plot... they should be roaming the streets every night looking for every last Mutagen bottle... not just lying around until the next mutant comes to them. Again, outside the show I understand this is still a kiddie show, and despite the story moving forward, it's still done in a episodic format with the occasional two-parter. They have to mix it up. They need to shell out more characters for toys. They can't have the Turtles locked in a season-long story arc, they need to throw in some filler characters and whatnot to shell out those toys. But within the show it does make them a bit stupid. They're also not all that wholesome. I don't mean they're evil or anything, but wow, except for Don, the others have zero sympathy for what happened to Timothy. They all had a 'well, sucks for him' attitude about it. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

03-28-2014, 08:53 PM	#19
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,880	This is a dumb thread. The show is morally ambiguous in the Turtles actions which makes it a good show. This isn't a bland superhero show.