The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[RedRocBoy]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

Okay, this is the sort of posting that starts fights right here. People who don't agree with you are apparently butthurt, and people who have decided they don't like what they see and don't want to see more are unreasonable for forming an opinion without watching the movie.

Let's pretend for a minute that the turtles were played by four nude men in body paint, the film is a horror comedy, Leo is serial rapist and instead of mutating as a result of ooze, they were magically transformed by eating a cursed tuna sandwich. I'm guessing you wouldn't like that, even if you only knew all this from seeing a short teaser, because it sounds terrible, and even if you haven't seem the entire film, you already know that what you have seen you hate so much that you can't imagine enjoying the film. That's how it feels to me when I see the turtles in hideous character designs, clothes that reduce them to stereotypes, an airhead actress, both major Japanese characters played by white men, and a director with an absolutely abysmal track record. This is not what I want from a Ninja Turtles movie. This is not the new direction I want the franchise to go, because I'll be forced to stop supporting it and stick with only my love of previous TMNT projects. So yeah, I feel fine saying I hope this film does poorly, because it's pretty reasonable to for me to expect that I won't enjoy this film, and I don't want to see more projects like it. It's possible I may eventually watch the film and find out that it was a good movie despite all the things I hate, but they chose to show me what I've seen, and I'm making my decision based on the information available to me. I'm in no way obligated to support this film before making a decision about it, and buying a ticket would be supporting this film.

So can we please stop this childish "butthurt" business?

My bad bro . I definitely don't wanna start that BS again. Maybe should've worded it different. Sorry. I'm just really excited for the movie. By no means did I mean to start anything. No trolling over here fam. Sorry.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by RedRocBoy

My bad bro . I definitely don't wanna start that BS again. Maybe should've worded it different. Sorry. I'm just really excited for the movie. By no means did I mean to start anything. No trolling over here fam. Sorry.

Dude you didn't single out or attack anybody so don't beat yourself up ok? You apologized like an adult rather than launching back at him. You stay excited ok! Ill send you that link

[RedRocBoy]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Dude you didn't single out or attack anybody so don't beat yourself up ok? You apologized like an adult rather than launching back at him. You stay excited ok! Ill send you that link

Thanks bro! Yeah I just don't want any unnecessary BS. We need to come together. Like I said I've been happy with what I've seen. Everybody has their own opinion, I'm just optimistic that's all. Still think we're all gonna be pleasantly surprised though.

[JoshDA7X]

Seriously, its a turtles movie. Are people really expecting a decent well known director and producer other than Bay to jump on board with this franchise? Come on now, I love turtles enough to check this fanboy forum everyday but I'm under no illusion that it appeals to as big an audience as even Transformers, let alone anything like Avengers.

I personally hope that it does do well so it does get more attention and then maybe someone with a bit more public trust will get on board for a sequel. People genuinely hoping it fails or 'bombs' or whatever are just shooting themselves in the foot as it is much more likely it wont get touched again by any studio!

[Radical Raph]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

george takei will voice the shredder

I thought that was going to be Pauly Shore?

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by JoshDA7X

Seriously, its a turtles movie. Are people really expecting a decent well known director and producer other than Bay to jump on board with this franchise? Come on now, I love turtles enough to check this fanboy forum everyday but I'm under no illusion that it appeals to as big an audience as even Transformers, let alone anything like Avengers.

Marvel has had no problems getting people on board to make films about space vikings and talking raccoons, so I don't see why TMNT would be considered such poison that no one besides Bay would touch it. TMNT has every bit as much potential as Iron Man or Spidey, given the right treatment.

Originally Posted by JoshDA7X

I personally hope that it does do well so it does get more attention and then maybe someone with a bit more public trust will get on board for a sequel. People genuinely hoping it fails or 'bombs' or whatever are just shooting themselves in the foot as it is much more likely it wont get touched again by any studio!

That's not even close to true. This franchise has recovered from worse. If TMNT 3, Coming Out of their Shells, and Next Mutation didn't spell the end of the franchise, this film flopping wouldn't either. There's even an extremely popular cartoon currently running, so TMNT would just keep trucking right along, because it's actually a pretty healthy franchise right now without the movie.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

Marvel has had no problems getting people on board to make films about space vikings and talking raccoons, so I don't see why TMNT would be considered such poison that no one besides Bay would touch it. TMNT has every bit as much potential as Iron Man or Spidey, given the right treatment..

I completely agree with this statement. Id actually go a little further. I think TMNT has the potential to be bigger than any film being made right now. With all of the iterations pulling in different audiences/demographics in the last 30 years, all of the passion you've seen on the web in the last 6 years alone.. I think TMNT has HUGE potential to be the next Billion dollar franchise. Whether or not we actually get that with this film is yet to be seen.

[marcelangelo]

Originally Posted by Kanon

You musn`t, I am all right.
Just a bit afraid to get spoiled too much.

hahaha, I know how you feel..can you imagine staying off movie talk for two months when you are hyped about it?

[Gimme_Three]

A movie flop wont doom the franchise, but who wants to wait another 7-15 YEARS for another TMNT movie? I hope this movie is successful so it can crank out a trilogy over the next 6 years. A couple years after that another reboot and maybe that series can meet all of the 2014 movie doubters contradiction checklist. An scenario like the spiderman/ batman trilogy that was successful and then followed up shortly by another reboot.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

A movie flop wont doom the franchise, but who wants to wait another 7-15 YEARS for another TMNT movie? I hope this movie is successful so it can crank out a trilogy over the next 6 years. A couple years after that another reboot and maybe that series can meet all of the 2014 movie doubters contradiction checklist. An scenario like the spiderman/ batman trilogy that was successful and then followed up shortly by another reboot.

First of all, 7 years is a reasonable estimate, but 15? Come on, this movie could make negative money and it wouldn't be more than a decade before a reboot comes along, let alone 15 years.

And if this movie spawns a trilogy, I'm going to be waiting at least 12-15 years before the release a TMNT movie I care to see comes out. I'd much rather it tank and I wait for a reboot.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

First of all, 7 years is a reasonable estimate, but 15? Come on, this movie could make negative money and it wouldn't be more than a decade before a reboot comes along, let alone 15 years.

And if this movie spawns a trilogy, I'm going to be waiting at least 12-15 years before the release a TMNT movie I care to see comes out. I'd much rather it tank and I wait for a reboot.

7 is reasonable, but there is precedence set for ever shorter time frames than that. Spiderman 3 released in 2007, with The Amazing Spiderman following in 2012. Just five short years, which honestly felt too soon to me, but it was hugely successful so what do I know.

Considering the buzz surrounding this new Turtle film, I wouldn't be surprised if they optioned a sequel for the following year - to capitalize on the popularity of the property with the general population.

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

First of all, 7 years is a reasonable estimate, but 15? Come on, this movie could make negative money and it wouldn't be more than a decade before a reboot comes along, let alone 15 years.

And if this movie spawns a trilogy, I'm going to be waiting at least 12-15 years before the release a TMNT movie I care to see comes out. I'd much rather it tank and I wait for a reboot.

Not really, when I make statements I try to be as rational as possible with as much facts as possible. the last movie of the trilogy was released in 93 I believe and the next one after that was in 07 apprx. 14 years. I referenced spiderman because the trilogy ended in 2007 and I think the next reboot started in 2012 apprx 6 years.

Your no doubt a fan, but how can you root against something you love? Not sure how old you are but do you remember when the turtles were dormant? during that time my turtles fix can from going on ninja turtles website that look like a high school kid design looking for updates on fan art sent in by fans. I like my turtles to be relevant.

by the way Whats your favorite version of the turtles?

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

7 is reasonable, but there is precedence set for ever shorter time frames than that. Spiderman 3 released in 2007, with The Amazing Spiderman following in 2012. Just five short years, which honestly felt too soon to me, but it was hugely successful so what do I know.

Considering the buzz surrounding this new Turtle film, I wouldn't be surprised if they optioned a sequel for the following year - to capitalize on the popularity of the property with the general population.

haha you stole my post but yea you get what im trying to say. If history is any indication on what could happen you want this movie to be successful in order to stay relevant. This movie flops we could all be grandparents by the time another one (if we're lucky) reboots.

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by MastahShredder

I know Shredder is not really supposed to look stealthy as he is openly the leader and all of the armor gives him away. I just feel like if he had to vanish, he could. In this, the suit almost looks more like one a jostler would wear. Like it would bog him down or something. I haven't seen the finished product yet, so we'll see.

I have a bad feeling that shedder suit is going to be more mech than ninja which scares me. I hope this Eric Sachs character has some kind of backround in martial arts.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Can't wait for the new Trailer. This is gonna be one of the biggest blockbusters of the year and I'm so glad TMNT getting back mainstream attention!

Just a few days ago, I overheard some guys at the counter talking about the first trailer and how excited they were (even though it was kind obvious they weren't huge Turtles fans, they couldn't even get the names right!)

heres the thing...people follow trends. we all know this. we, on these forums, are the exceptions, because we are diehards that LOVE this property regardless of its standing with the general populace.

when superman was hot, every dude was rocking the S on their chest. when batman was hot, the same thing, with the bat symbol. its trendy to be 'retro' so everyone is wearing the turtles on their screen printed tees. even OLD NAVY is selling Turtle tees, which cracks me up. I buy them so Im not complaining, I just think its funny.

my point is...i think this trend is gonna help in a MAJOR way, carry this film to success. suddenly EVERYONE is saying, "oh yeah, i love the turtles since I was a kid" meanwhile, like you were describing, they cant even get their names right, lol. I hear people at work talking about it, and even the kids in my church chatting about it, and as a LONGTIME fan, it makes me happy to see how much the Turtles are coming back into the mainstream pop culture, they never really left, but if we're honest, they are more popular now than they ever have been since the 90s.

[MajorViolence]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

Not really, when I make statements I try to be as rational as possible with as much facts as possible. the last movie of the trilogy was released in 93 I believe and the next one after that was in 07 apprx. 14 years. I referenced spiderman because the trilogy ended in 2007 and I think the next reboot started in 2012 apprx 6 years.

The problem with using the gap between TMNT 3 and the 2007 CGI film as a reference is that TMNT was really struggling as a franchise at that point. There was failed project after failed project, and even when they managed to make a cartoon that was high-quality and started to revive the franchise, the show quickly ran out of ideas, resulting in the extremely unpopular Fast Forward and failed attempt to recover from that fumble, Back to the Sewers. But now the same audience that grew up watching the old turtles cartoon are seeing comic book movies come back in a huge way thanks to Marvel. Where in the 90s comic book movies were approached with an attitude of just hoping the film makes money, now trilogies are planned before the first movie even starts filming. Even this film is signing people on to 3 picture contracts, because they're completely prepared for this to make a ton of money. I wouldn't be surprised if they have outlines for two more films already written. Comic book franchises are big business, and as long as a film makes money, there will be more to come. At this point, failure only means the next film will be a reboot instead of a sequel and add about 3 years of waiting. When you consider that Nick revived the franchise for a new generation, we could expect them to take another shot as soon as possible even if the film does terrible.

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

Your no doubt a fan, but how can you root against something you love? Not sure how old you are but do you remember when the turtles were dormant? during that time my turtles fix can from going on ninja turtles website that look like a high school kid design looking for updates on fan art sent in by fans. I like my turtles to be relevant.

by the way Whats your favorite version of the turtles?

I can root against the film because as far as I've seen, this film isn't treating TMNT with the respect and care it deserves. If this movie is a bad representation of a franchise I love, then I don't want the people behind it given the chance to make more. I would rather just wait for someone else to give it a shot, who will learn from the mistakes of this film. I want to see a good Ninja Turtles movie, and this project is standing in the way. The sooner we're rid of it, the sooner we move on to something that wasn't written by people who thought we would all love the idea of the Turtles being aliens.

[Radical Raph]

So, is that why they named her April? Because that's the month the turtles were created?

[Gimme_Three]

Originally Posted by MajorViolence

The problem with using the gap between TMNT 3 and the 2007 CGI film as a reference is that TMNT was really struggling as a franchise at that point. There was failed project after failed project, and even when they managed to make a cartoon that was high-quality and started to revive the franchise, the show quickly ran out of ideas, resulting in the extremely unpopular Fast Forward and failed attempt to recover from that fumble, Back to the Sewers. But now the same audience that grew up watching the old turtles cartoon are seeing comic book movies come back in a huge way thanks to Marvel. Where in the 90s comic book movies were approached with an attitude of just hoping the film makes money, now trilogies are planned before the first movie even starts filming. Even this film is signing people on to 3 picture contracts, because they're completely prepared for this to make a ton of money. I wouldn't be surprised if they have outlines for two more films already written. Comic book franchises are big business, and as long as a film makes money, there will be more to come. At this point, failure only means the next film will be a reboot instead of a sequel and add about 3 years of waiting. When you consider that Nick revived the franchise for a new generation, we could expect them to take another shot as soon as possible even if the film does terrible.





I can root against the film because as far as I've seen, this film isn't treating TMNT with the respect and care it deserves. If this movie is a bad representation of a franchise I love, then I don't want the people behind it given the chance to make more. I would rather just wait for someone else to give it a shot, who will learn from the mistakes of this film. I want to see a good Ninja Turtles movie, and this project is standing in the way. The sooner we're rid of it, the sooner we move on to something that wasn't written by people who thought we would all love the idea of the Turtles being aliens.

You just proved my point if this movie flops (failed project) you wont see another movie anytime soon. The original movie open up 25Mill and ended up breaking records for an independent film(130Mill US), the 2007 movie opened up a 24Mill and then dropped off drastically making only apprx. 54Mill (us). Each film since the original has declined in sales and to your point if it doesn't make money (flops) they wont make films. 07 had the potential but because of a uninspired plot people other than turtle fans didn't really see it. Nick sees the potential that's why they bought the franchise, this is nick's shot. TMNT stops making money TMNT will get dumped. Remember history tells us turtlemania can only last but so long failed project after failed project the turtles will go on hiatus again. We need success on all levels (cartoon, comics, movies) for it to stay relevant.

Movies are always approached with the attitude of making money that's the whole point of making movies.

I agree there are alot of scary ideas, designs, and things being thrown around but it's no different that any other version. Come on just think about it from the original comic to the OT.. Change of origin (shredder created splinter and the turtles in OT), "race bending", asian shredder no accent, New characters (krang, BB&RS), foot soldiers, april.. everything changed but why is that acceptable then but not now?

[hitmonkey]

Curious to see if they keep Mikey's face out of the new trailer. In the TV clip with Splinter, they cut away from him the very second his undoes his bandana and went right to the shot of April fainting.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Gimme_Three

the turtles will go on hiatus again.

actually the Turtles have never officially been on Hiatus since its debut in comics...they have always had some kind of media element unlike other franchises,dare i say even transformers, TMNT has always been in the public eye as some sort of story whether is be TV,video specials, comics, or movies


One movie flop wont kill it, it has a high ranking TV show, a great selling toy line and a very popular comic, sure if it flops we have to wait a while a few years even just using the gap between the 07 flick and this is just 8 years, and that one was meant to have a sequel that never came for other reasons

and i agree with Major, im sorry to sound negative but i really hope this movie doesn't make it past the 1 film so we get a better show at the turtles on the big screen

just because this is the "first" movie on the big screen in 8 years, doesnt mean we should settle for crap