The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[TMNTChris1980]

Originally Posted by Shred Head

I finally just watched the trailer and well I got to say "Mesa so berry excited for movie. Mesa tink it bombad good idea to change Turtle into fat Gungangs. Peebles just wuv Gungans. Oie moole moole good idea to give Downatelbo good see specks and mechatinks all over him. How else mesa to know he maxi smartem?"

In other words they look like fat gungangs and this movie just looks like a goddamn train wreck and not a funny one at that.

Dude, you literally made me laugh out loud.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by TMNTChris1980

Dude, you literally made me laugh out loud.

(Puts hipster glasses on) Actualy i was the first who said the he looks like Boss Nass, it was when they realesd the figure photos so yeah...

Spoiler:

exact duplicate

[METALHEAD]

funny how fans cry out "damn you, Michael bay!" when they should be bitching, and shouting out "damn you Jonathan Liebesman!" since he is DIRECTING the film....

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

funny how fans cry out "damn you, Michael bay!" when they should be bitching, and shouting out "damn you Jonathan Liebesman!" since he is DIRECTING the film....

Notice Liebesman isn't mentioned in the trailers, but it says in big bold print FROM PRODUCER MICHAEL BAY?

It has Michael Bay literally written all over it.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

funny how fans cry out "damn you, Michael bay!" when they should be bitching, and shouting out "damn you Jonathan Liebesman!" since he is DIRECTING the film....

It's because Producers who are more powerful than Directors can inflict their influence on major parts of the production. Just read up on producer Steven Spielberg's involvement with Tobe Hooper's Poltergeist.

Or even Producer Steven Spielberg's involvement on The Transformer movies (Spielberg is the one who told the writers 'the Humans need to be in the forefront, because the movie can only work if it is told from the Human perspective'...and the writers admitted that up front on the commentary to Transformers 2). Still doesn't make Michael Bay innocent in the matter though.

And Liebesman seems like he's a guy who was just hired to do what he was told. But it still doesn't make him innocent and it's not me condoning him, though. I'd blame all of them.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Walkabout

Notice Liebesman isn't mentioned in the trailers, but it says in big bold print FROM PRODUCER MICHAEL BAY?

It has Michael Bay literally written all over it.

and Spielberg IS producer Halo and and produced Transformers

And what about the countless other "producers" whos name are attached but dont to Jack for the production other then add a name

You know how many time you see from producer "blank" and they have next to no input what so ever.

This argument is old and flawed.

[hitmonkey]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

funny how fans cry out "damn you, Michael bay!" when they should be bitching, and shouting out "damn you Jonathan Liebesman!" since he is DIRECTING the film....

This again? In a case such as this one where you have a big name successful director in the producer role, and a nobody director with a track record of critical and financial failure in the chair, the producer is typically going to have more say. Do you realize that he lost roughly $70 million for Warner Bros. with Wrath of the Titans, and just over $13 million for Sony with Battle: Los Angeles? Do you think they're going to count on that guy to deliver on a big budget film? On top of this, one of the writers said recently in an interview that we'd be able to see Bay's influence throughout the film.

Liebsman was merely there to run the day-to-day shoots and coach actors, because Bay was already directing Transformers. I guarantee Michael Bay made all the big decisions, such as giving final approval to the character designs. We already know Megan Fox and William Fichtner were brought into the movie by him, not the director. Bay deserves a lot of the blame for this movie, but that little "producer" tag is going to keep his feet out of the fire with people who don't understand how situations like this work.

I feel bad for Liebsman in a way, because he's in a position to take the fall for this thing despite the fact that he probably had very little control over it. If the director isn't even controlling things like casting, that's a bad sign.

And on a final note, people want the Michael Bay argument to disappear, but then what are you left with? People complaining about the Wrath of the Titans guy doing Turtles. That's not any better.

[tmntmikey23]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

funny how fans cry out "damn you, Michael bay!" when they should be bitching, and shouting out "damn you Jonathan Liebesman!" since he is DIRECTING the film....

irk just idiots i guess

[METALHEAD]

i' just tired of this fandom, pmsing and whining about bay.

almost as annoying as transformers fans.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Plus, look at it this way. The last time these two worked together was Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning...

A film that ended with a girl not noticing that a big-ass 6 foot 4 inch guy with a giant chainsaw was hidden in a tiny backseat of the small car that she was driving...let alone not noticing long enough to give him enough time to rev up his big chainsaw, move it to behind the girl's seat, thrust up & into her...and, once again, the girl never noticing long enough to stop the car/run away...so instead she dies in a supremely stupid ending.

Yep, those are the brains behind your new Ninja Turtles film.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Plus, look at it this way. The last time these two worked together was Texas Chainsaw Massacre: The Beginning...

A film that ended with a girl not noticing that a big-ass 6 foot 4 inch guy with a giant chainsaw was hidden in a tiny backseat of the small car that she was driving...let alone not noticing long enough to give him enough time to rev up his big chainsaw, move it to behind the girl's seat, thrust up & into her...and, once again, the girl never noticing long enough to stop the car/run away...so instead she dies in a supremely stupid ending.

Yep, those are the brains behind your new Ninja Turtles film.

yup NVM kevins input or the producer of the 2k7 tmnt movie,

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

and Spielberg IS producer Halo and and produced Transformers

And what about the countless other "producers" whos name are attached but dont to Jack for the production other then add a name

You know how many time you see from producer "blank" and they have next to no input what so ever.

This argument is old and flawed.

Actually, it's not an "argument"...the fact of the matter is in the trailers for this movie it does not mention Liebesman at all, it says (in bold print) FROM PRODUCER MICHAEL BAY.
That is not up for debate my friend, it's not my opinion or argument-it's fact.

Is it M'. Bay's "fault"?
That part is open to speculation, but as far as the trailer for TMNT goes it is being promoted as a Michael Bay film, so it's perfectly reasonable that people are attributing it to Michael Bay.
So it is ABSOLUTELY NO SUPRISE AT ALL that people are "blaming" Michael Bay, as it is being billed as a MICHEAL BAY FILM.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

yup NVM kevins input or the producer of the 2k7 tmnt movie,

The 2007 movie wasn't all that either (a film I grew to dislike more as time went on...although it looks like a masterpiece compared to this train wreck). And you act as if Kevin Eastman has the power to do anything or everything, or that no matter what 'he is correct' and thus 'we must listen to him.'

DTA. Don't Trust Anybody.

Even if that was the case, creators aren't perfect either. It's not like 'well, he created it, so he can do no wrong'.

Just ask George Lucas about, well, bad Special Edition versions of Stars Wars, Poor prequels, Jar Jar Binks...

[tmntmikey23]

Originally Posted by METALHEAD

i' just tired of this fandom, pmsing and whining about bay.

almost as annoying as transformers fans.

lol "almost as annoying as transformers fans"
i know what you mean bay did not make the film :p watch the film if you like it if you hate it dont simple but no they just got to complain they dont look like the 80s ones

[Sabacooza]

Why is no one blaming the guy that wrote the script? Seems to me most of the problems stem from that as well as whoever designed the TMNT. Give credit where it's due I say.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

irk just idiots i guess

i' just tired of this fandom, pmsing and whining about bay.

almost as annoying as transformers fans.

Are you guys just trying to bait people into a fight? And tmntmikey you're the same person who constantly tell people to 'not be offensive' during their posts, and yet you're doing the same thing by calling people 'idiots'...

People have given legitimate reasons. So stop trying to provoke people with insults and try to start a fight.

[Walkabout]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Are you guys just trying to bait people into a fight? And tmntmikey you're the same person who constantly tell people to 'not be offensive' during their posts, and yet you're doing the same thing by calling people 'idiots'...

People have given legitimate reasons. So stop trying to provoke people with insults and try to start a fight.

Yeah, please.

Instead of getting angry at people here (who despite not liking the new designs are obviously fans of the TMNT, hence being on a TMNT forum) go look at what real "casuals" or movie critics are saying about this movie and Michael Bay in general, you will see that the "haters" of this film here are being pretty damn respectful about it for the most part.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

and Spielberg IS producer Halo and and produced Transformers

And what about the countless other "producers" whos name are attached but dont to Jack for the production other then add a name

You know how many time you see from producer "blank" and they have next to no input what so ever.

This argument is old and flawed.

This would explain alot though, most of Michael Bay's better movies tend to have a good producer behind them, like Steven Spielberg, or Jerry Bruckheimer.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Walkabout

Yeah, please.

Instead of getting angry at people here (who despite not liking the new designs are obviously fans of the TMNT, hence being on a TMNT forum) go look at what real "casuals" or movie critics are saying about this movie and Michael Bay in general, you will see that the "haters" of this film here are being pretty damn respectful about it for the most part.

what bothers me are the casuals I see posting on FB, and Twitter saying stuff like...Megan Fox doesn't have red hair, this movie is stupid...

...they are willing to dismiss an entire movie based on one small detail - red hair, and yet, she never had red hair in the original comics, nor was she portrayed with red hair in ANY of the live action films. I swear, people really just dont think before they post anymore. as a long time fan, its frustrating.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

what bothers me are the casuals I see posting on FB, and Twitter saying stuff like...Megan Fox doesn't have red hair, this movie is stupid...

...they are willing to dismiss an entire movie based on one small detail - red hair, and yet, she never had red hair in the original comics, nor was she portrayed with red hair in ANY of the live action films. I swear, people really just dont think before they post anymore. as a long time fan, its frustrating.

Don't you know. Today, we are all live in a PC world, and when one hears the name O Neil, it's usually associated with a red haired person with Irish descent.