Episode Discussion S2 #16 "The Lonely Mutation of Baxter Stockman"

[NinjaPug]

Really liked the episode.

- I liked that Shredder intentionally mutated Baxter instead of it being an accident

- I'm glad the retro-mutagen is tough to make. I found it funny that they didn't even mention turning MM back to Timothy. I really liked that they had 3 parties chasing after the retro-mutagen - made for a good final act.

- Loved the nods to Bebop, Rocksteady and Ace Duck.

- Who is the final mutant that Shredder alluded to? Would he mutate Karai? I hope not. Himself?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

- Who is the final mutant that Shredder alluded to? Would he mutate Karai? I hope not. Himself?

Possible return of Super Shredder from the finale?

Since Shredder said, "a" mutant I don't think he was refering to Bebop/Rocksteady. Unless its another brand-new character created for this show.

[Overlordofnobodies]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

Really liked the episode.

- I liked that Shredder intentionally mutated Baxter instead of it being an accident

- I'm glad the retro-mutagen is tough to make. I found it funny that they didn't even mention turning MM back to Timothy. I really liked that they had 3 parties chasing after the retro-mutagen - made for a good final act.

- Loved the nods to Bebop, Rocksteady and Ace Duck.

- Who is the final mutant that Shredder alluded to? Would he mutate Karai? I hope not. Himself?

That is what my money is on. Unlike other Shredders. This one is a bit damage and may not be as a good fight because of it. So having him becoming super Shredder at some point may not be to bad.

[blindturtle02]

I've been looking forward to this one all week and was not disappointed in the slightest. I was hoping April would be alright after falling into the mutagen. I expected as much due to the immunity to Kraangy substances, but was also preparing myself for some sort of mutation just in case. I mean, they had the retromutagen there and could have cured her if the need arose. Her coming out of the mutagen reminded me of that episode of Futurama where Lela emerges from the toxic waste unaffected and discovers she's a mutant rather than an alien.

Baxter was just all around creepy and I absolutely love his mutant form. He doesn't seem to be losing his mind as much as going insane. Loved the foreshadowing of Bebop and Rocksteady! And who the heck is this last mutant Shredder wants to create? I give this one a 10 out of 10 as well. Loved seeing a bunch of Rahzar throughout this episode. Have no idea if he was still nerfed or not. I thought he was pretty cool and held his own well.

Almost forgot, Baxter is sure a heck of allot more sinister as a fly than as a human. Loved the sound of his voice. Reminded me of how they made Jeff Goldblum sound in The Fly. Anyone remember the way he would breathe throughout the movie while slowly transforming? That's how Baxter's voice sounded. Hopefully we won't see him bite the big one. I'm betting he escapes and continues to bug both Shredder and the turtles for quite a while. With the show being picked up for a forth season, I'm sure we'll all be in for even more kick butt episodes such as this one. I, for one, can't wait for what's to come. Ciro and the crew never disappoint. Keep up the amazing work, guys.

[drgon78]

Yeah, I also loved the sound of Baxter's voice and it did remind of me of the OS version.

I would also like to know who this one mutant Shredder wants.

[Vicky82]

Originally Posted by NinjaPug

- Who is the final mutant that Shredder alluded to? Would he mutate Karai? I hope not. Himself?

That could be interesting if he mutates himself and becomes Super Shredder, I also wonder if it could be a part of the upcoming rumored Leo's 'Mirage Story' beat down.

[CowabungaMikey]

When Baxter was mentioning a rhino and a warthog at the beginning of the episode, combined with the new pictures we got, I was hoping to see Bebop and Rocksteady already.

Too bad! The episode itself was great, altough I'm still not a fan of this Casey Jones.

9.1/10

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by Vicky82

That could be interesting if he mutates himself and becomes Super Shredder, I also wonder if it could be a part of the upcoming rumored Leo's 'Mirage Story' beat down.

I would love to see Super Shredder at some point! Mutagen is everywhere, and you know the thought has probably crossed his mind. Who better to beat down Leo than a beefed up Shredder? Although it might turn out to be Bebop or Rocksteady. Why'd they have to go and leave us in suspense again? I love all the speculation, however. But man, these weeks in-between episodes just go by so very slowly.

[JTH]

And for everyone that didn't know.

That 15 seconds of Donnie zipline swinging though New York was a better Spiderman than anything I saw in Amazing Spiderman 2.

[ticktack]

nuuuuuuu

Spoiler:

don said eat it, like he had something to prove oTL
I'd like it to make a decent direction. Not have the impression of competition or something like that. One gave a sign of gratitude and be jerk about it to another with making him bad
April is the helpless between the boys(really those genderal things doesn't matter to me but I'll go mention anyway), tried something. Hm how make her useful and surviving in that position. Hey, she's unfortunate and falls into mutagen and ta-da is immune lololol, she directs the turtles to some way by her jkh?gsdgh?mgd power .

the rest is, well, good

Spoiler:

I never liked Stockman to a fly parts and in OT too, and I've never mentioned these in this forum before. I wouldn't have mind if he stood human, but then... And humiliation/disrespect is there still, didn't went anywhere.
So Don is now worried about Kirby in the end of the episode(and was of course) but with April was more concerned about how to make sure he[the Case-dude] feels bad and all that dancing and singing. I sure want this crush be independent thing without competition, comparing, I kind of see this as a fandom shipping effect, no I don't want it, prefer more to have thought out writing than the way like how the shippers may act about it. Sorry, not trying to blame anyone, it's just I try to suppose things.

[OrangeNinja1987]

Amazing episode, all the way through.
The beginning was amazing, very creepy, and with references to Bebop and Rocksteady. I can't wait to see them in this show, and I wonder if they'll be a bit more threatening than in the OT. That would be awesome to see.
Donatello dancing when he got kissed was funny and my favorite funny moment was when Leo said, "Baxter, we don't want to hurt you," and then Casey threw something at Baxter, and Leo added, "Well, Casey does."
I was surprised Donnie finished the retro-mutagen in this episode. I was expecting it to take a bit longer, but the chase for the retro-mutagen made for a great episode.
I think Kirby's retro-mutation is temporary, because it was only one drop and they supposedly needed the whole canister to change him back.
I was shocked when April fell in the mutagen. I'm really glad that she wasn't affected.
I also think it would make for an amazing episode sometime, if one of the turtles spilt retro-mutagen on himself and his brothers had to run around the city trying to find more mutagen to turn him back, and Shredder was doing his best to prevent them. That would be very exciting of an episode.

[Jon_Talbain]

Originally Posted by TurFlytle

We'll call it Baxpril Stockfly Kraangy Thing...

That would have been nightmare fuel lol. But since April is immune, I wonder what would have happened if Baxter dived into that mutagen.

Originally Posted by MiBs

I thought the blanket would reveal that Kirby still had his bat body

That would have been really weird, but cool. I thought that he was going to turn into a more stable mutant, with his human mind.

[BabyTurtles]

it was cool....but I had some problems

Spoiler:

-April being immune to the mutagen....well it looks like Kirby's sacrifice was in vain....and nobody brought that up.
-April getting captured again......if she keeps this up she can start competing with 80's April.
-no mention of Tim AT ALL.....is he dead?
-Raph and Mikey pushed to the side...again.
-Mikey's moth suit. ugh.
-wasting Splinter's thoughts on becoming human again on this episode (we could of had the boys worried about him leaving or something....more emotion would have been nice)
- also only ONE drop was able to cure Kirby.....Donnie could have cured ALL the mutants with those 2 retro-mutagen canisters...

Baxtar's mutation was sad....I felt really bad for him. At least the turtles' were cool enough to offer help, I honestly didn't expect that.

all I ask is...PLEASE keep Kirby safe from now on! No more Damsel Kirby!

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

it was cool....but I had some problems

Spoiler:

-April being immune to the mutagen....well it looks like Kirby's sacrifice was in vain....and nobody brought that up.
-April getting captured again......if she keeps this up she can start competing with 80's April.
-no mention of Tim AT ALL.....is he dead?
-Raph and Mikey pushed to the side...again.
-Mikey's moth suit. ugh.
-wasting Splinter's thoughts on becoming human again on this episode (we could of had the boys worried about him leaving or something....more emotion would have been nice)

Baxtar's mutation was sad....I felt really bad for him. At least the turtles' were cool enough to offer help, I honestly didn't expect that.

all I ask is...PLEASE keep Kirby safe from now on! No more Damsel Kirby!

Also, how did no one notice the big aerial battle going on at the end?

[BabyTurtles]

Originally Posted by ObiWanFan4life

Also, how did no one notice the big aerial battle going on at the end?

sigh....CGI limitations.....T^T

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by BabyTurtles

sigh....CGI limitations.....T^T

Ok, that's a bit of a nitpick, but you get the point.

[MikeandRaph87]

References to Bebop and Rocksteady! Ace Duck get a five second cameo just like the '87 cartoon. Hope to see the character actually used and it would be the opportunity to do it!

Baxter was probably the first one mutated on purpose.

[nimajneb]

What a great episode, compared to last week's offering, which I really struggled with.
It was good to see Baxter still in the necklace and looking really scared with it.
And a scheming Shredder too, with Rahzar in full lieutenant mode.
I also really like Mikey in his tur-fly-tle costume buzz buzz,
Loved this episode 10/10 for me
Action, strong plot advancing story arc and comedy.
Can't ask for more,

[kelligrafie]

Originally Posted by fridaynightdestination

I know. It's just creepy to think about. One thing that could make a good episode is if one of them does spill it on themselves, and the rest of them frantically try to get some mutagen to bring them back, but The Shredder finds out and the Foot ninja do everything in their power to make sure the DON'T get any mutagen. It could make a good season finale.

There's a few issues with this, provided you stick with proper continuity.

In order to re-mutate the turtle into the exact same human-turtle form, you would require the exact same human DNA.

Now assuming the last human to touch the turtles prior original mutation WAS Splinter (could've been the pet shop owner, but we'll say it was Splinter) - they would use his DNA.

But wait. Splinter's no longer human. He's a mutant. His DNA is combined rat with human. So unless Donnie could seperate enough human DNA strands in order to complete the turtle re-mutation, they would have to de-mutate Splinter back to human form to gain and use the pure human DNA.

Otherwise you could end up with a completely different ninja turtle.

And you can't do that in a 20 minute episode! You'd have to make a proper storyline out it.

[TurtleTitan97]

Awesome episode, really dug BaxterFly. Honestly thought Kirby wasn't going to be de-mutated in this episode, so that was a surprise. Also loved the reference to Ace Duck and Bebop & Rocksteady.
Also, great to see Casey in action again.