The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[Bob]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Sadly, business men are destroying every aspect of our society. It's mostly because everything is all about profits and money, not the love and passion behind the projects. In the past, in the very distant past, films were written, produced, directed and acted by people who truly had a passion for the craft. Now, business men, who just buy out studios and patent rights, care less about the passion, and only the bottom dollar. Instead of looking what made such properties a hit, they tend to look at statistics, and graphs, to help make up their minds on how things should be done, instead of getting off their ass in their fancy offices and getting their hands dirty on the project itself so they can see what they are truly investing their money in.

If Internet message boards existed throughout history, you will find this very same post regarding Hollywood films in every decade since Hollywood started making films. Fact.

[TigerClaw]

Just saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in 3D, They showed the new TMNT trailer in 3D, And it look great.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Hey could anyone direct me to the Leonardo face edit picture that was posted on here somewhere?

EDIT: Neither mind

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Just saw The Amazing Spider-Man 2 in 3D, They showed the new TMNT trailer in 3D, And it look great.

They did a fantastic job of translating Baxter from the nick show to screen in AS2...

[Sewer Sirens Podcast]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

They did a fantastic job of translating Baxter from the nick show to screen in AS2...

Hahaha ... That's pretty funny.

I do see some similarities.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

They did a fantastic job of translating Baxter from the nick show to screen in AS2...

I see what you did there....

[Cure]

Originally Posted by Bob

If Internet message boards existed throughout history, you will find this very same post regarding Hollywood films in every decade since Hollywood started making films. Fact.

First post I can completely agree with in a long time.

[Puddinpop]

Am I reading a TMNT forum or am I watching MSNBC? I couldn't tell for a second there

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Bob

If Internet message boards existed throughout history, you will find this very same post regarding Hollywood films in every decade since Hollywood started making films. Fact.

I don't know about that. There was a period where Hollywood wasn't just making films from other things. There was a period where it was writers and filmmakers making original films from their own idea.

Sure, some people are cynical throughout history, but when you can see a legitimate shift over time. I mean, we are living in a period of "safest bet" movies for money and money alone in sequels and reboots. Some of them I don't understand. I've seen some movies that butcher the source material and as a result get blasted by movie goers where if it hadn't tried to slap the original IP's label on it and had been a stand alone film to itself, it might have been better accepted. Weird to me how that sometimes happens.

The only common thread to me right now is comic book movies, which is an extension of the novel adaptation that's been around forever.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I don't really see a whole lot of "turtle" in those designs. There's a shell sure, but looking at the trailer the plastron and carapace don't look connected with a shell bridge. Their faces are Sapien and not Chelonian enough to be "realistic turtle mutant"

If anything, I'd say they are man-tortoise with the size of those shells. And I am a bit disappointed to see how bland the colors are in the texturing job is, especially given the slight hint of a paint job in the Promo Poster and the amazing coloring job done in the OotS game. The textures them selves are nicely done, great bump mapping for sure. And the CG models move decently enough and are well integrated, they look like they are there in the movie.

Their eyes are very well done the light reflects very nicely in them.

And, give the set designs. I do like the attention for detail worked into the designs, like Mikey's pukka bead necklace is missing. Bead in the chain.

Quoted, because this is precisely the issue i have.
either you chose the cartoony design, and embrace it; or you take from the real world. There isn't a hint of "turtle" in the design. Nature is always right.

As for the "they're mutant human/turtles, what did you think they would look like?" argument -

Not that, not ever.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

What were your thoughts? I got to see a McDonalds employee sneak preview a few weeks ago thanks to a friend's invite.

IMO Zimmer's Spider-Man score was chill inducing. Absolutely epic. The web slinging has never felt more real, and quite frankly cool. Especially in IMAX 3D.

Garfield is by far the best Peter Parker / Spider-Man. He was hilarious in the mask. His relationship with Stone's Gwen was palpable, and totally believable. Those two were way better than Maguire, and Dunst. Great on screen chemistry providing for a fun romantic comedy that ultimately gets held back by cheesy, convoluted villain plots.

Yet again another Marvel film aped Jim Carrey's Riddler from Batman Forever. In 2014? That's embarrassing. Besides having too many cooks in the kitchen, it was quite enjoyable of a film. Unexpectedly so too. I have to admit I have total superhero movie fatigue now though thanks to Marvel Studio saturating the market with all their films.

I'm just really amped for Ninja Turtles. That's it really. Nostalgia reasons, and since we haven't got a true live action big screen adaptation since 1993.

Dehaan was a very creepy Harry Osbourn, and the guy who played Norman did a fantastic job as well. Wish we got to see more of them, more Giamatti as Rhino, and significantly less of Foxx's Electro. Just too corny of a character, while trying to play it straight to actually take it seriously. A subsidiary villain that gets way too much attention, can't carry a film.

The subplot about Peter's parents is pointless, just to confirm Oscorp is shady. It's a redundant film with moments of brillaince. So far this summer I'm going:

Captain America WS: 4 / 5
Amazing Spider-Man 2: 3.5 / 5

Well, I'm no film critic, So I can't review movies and give out some score, But I enjoyed it. Anyways, They showed the new TMNT trailer in 3D.

[The Turtle Terminator]

Originally Posted by #MechaFresh

Anyone notice TMNT 2014 is missing from Danny Woodburn's IMDB Filmography? Just wondering...

He was removed from the cast and replaced by Tony Shalhoub

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Sadly, business men are destroying every aspect of our society. It's mostly because everything is all about profits and money, not the love and passion behind the projects. In the past, in the very distant past, films were written, produced, directed and acted by people who truly had a passion for the craft. Now, business men, who just buy out studios and patent rights, care less about the passion, and only the bottom dollar. Instead of looking what made such properties a hit, they tend to look at statistics, and graphs, to help make up their minds on how things should be done, instead of getting off their ass in their fancy offices and getting their hands dirty on the project itself so they can see what they are truly investing their money in.

Businessman have always been a part of Hollywood. It's always been about making money and capitalizing on what's popular, and there have always been lame-brain head-figures unintentionally finding silly ways to destroy movies. The Salkinds were a good example of that.

At some point, the film industry had monopolies, controlling everything including the venues. That stopped, and not too long after, a lot of the studios were absorbed into other corporations. Warner Bros., Time, and Turner Broadcasting all came together to be Time Warner. Sony acquired Columbia Pictures and Tristar Pictures. Universal Pictures was taken over by MCA Records in the 1950s and is currently owned by Comcast. So basically most of the major studios were absorbed by other conglomerates, except Disney, which pretty much became its own conglomerate.

And now more than ever, the film industry has been about brand recognition. It's not as much about creating new brands (but that does happen) as it is reinforcing existing ones, like comic books, bestsellers, toylines, and, of course, movies and long-gone, but still remembered franchises.

But, while the business models might have changed over the decades, the thing that remains the same is the reception. Just as many movies are disliked as there movies that are admired as always has been. For every thing they've gotten right, there's been just as many if not more they've gotten wrong. For every Batman (1989), there's been a Super Mario Bros. (1993).

Sadly, this new Ninja Turtles appears to be on wrong side of that spectrum. But, if history tells us anything, this won't be the end of TMNT in Hollywood. If this film is the likely turd it is, eventually there will a genuine Ninja Turtles film that will blow our minds, just like the original film did 24 years ago.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by The Turtle Terminator

He was removed from the cast and replaced by Tony Shalhoub

Well, He still needs to be credited for doing the motion capture.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I don't really see a whole lot of "turtle" in those designs. There's a shell sure, but looking at the trailer the plastron and carapace don't look connected with a shell bridge. Their faces are Sapien and not Chelonian enough to be "realistic turtle mutant"

If anything, I'd say they are man-tortoise with the size of those shells. And I am a bit disappointed to see how bland the colors are in the texturing job is, especially given the slight hint of a paint job in the Promo Poster and the amazing coloring job done in the OotS game. The textures them selves are nicely done, great bump mapping for sure. And the CG models move decently enough and are well integrated, they look like they are there in the movie.

Their eyes are very well done the light reflects very nicely in them.

And, give the set designs. I do like the attention for detail worked into the designs, like Mikey's pukka bead necklace is missing. Bead in the chain.

And I am a bit sadden to see April faint again, I thought we here over with that sexist sh*t, but. Maybe there is an extra explanation for it.

Couldn't have said better myself.

[RedRocBoy]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I was looking at Leo earlier today and just thought to myself.. Damn, I just cant get over how awesome and stoic he looks. All of them. I think its different.. its refreshing. They don't look like cutie cuddly cartoon characters anymore. They look like freaky mutated Humanoid Turtles. There is a reason why April always faints at the sight of them. They are not supposed to be comfortable to look at what so ever and this team nailed it. The nostrils, eyes, head shape just resemble a turtle. When I look at Leos eyes in that HD close up picture when he lands on the brick wall.. They look real. The CGI is so badass. They've created their own version, they had every right too btw. When I think about the possible plot and tone for this reboot I think this new edgy look will work very well. Just seeing them.. Splinter, Shredder all of them on the big screen will be such an amazing experience. I cant friggin wait to see Splinter charge at Shredder and swing his katana at him ( SPARKS FLY EVERYWHERE) its going to be so EPIC. I know some really hate what they've seen so far but I'm hoping that some of you are able to enjoy it, at least a little. I get goose bumps every time I watch the trailer. I hope we get a sequel with Dimension X and the Technodrome and maybe even Bebop and Rocksteady. Hell yea.

Yezzir. Hope we get Bebop and Rocksteady in the next movie with Dimension X tech with some hints @ Krang. And save Krang and the invasion for the third movie. Really hope they have the same success as the Transformers movies.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Commenter 42

Quoted, because this is precisely the issue i have.
either you chose the cartoony design, and embrace it; or you take from the real world. There isn't a hint of "turtle" in the design. Nature is always right.

As for the "they're mutant human/turtles, what did you think they would look like?" argument -

Not that, not ever.

Welp.. The new designs look more turtlish than the old designs with the nostriless frog beaks imo. The old shape of their heads were more frogish. Turtles have nostrils and noses/snouts like what you see in the new design. Just look at the picture in your signature of that turtles nose and tell me which design resembles it better. Their eyes were extremely cartoony looking where as these new designs have more realistic looking eyes. They look freaky bc they look realistic. I don't want to feel all cute and cuddly inside when I look at a mutated turtle and that's the reason why people always faint at the site of them.. so this new look makes sense to me. They look like a cross between a human and a turtle imo. Whether you think its more human than turtle or vise versa is another debate. When you say " Not that" not ever" Does that imply that you've seen one? Or does it imply that its not your cup of tea?

[RedRocBoy]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Welp.. The new designs look more turtlish than the old designs with the nostriless frog beaks imo. The old shape of their heads were more frogish. Turtles have nostrils and noses/snouts like what you see in the new design. Just look at the picture in your signature of that turtles nose and tell me which design resembles it better. Their eyes were extremely cartoony looking were as these new designs have more realistic looking eyes. They look freaky bc they look realistic. I don't want to feel all cute and cuddly inside when I look at a mutated turtle and that's the reason why people always faint at the site of them.. so this new look makes sense to me. They look like a cross between a human and a turtle imo. Whether you think its more human than turtle or vise versa is another debate. When you say " Not that" not ever" Does that imply that you've seen one? Or does it imply that its not your cup of tea?

Exactly. People need to just except these are our new Turtles. Love the designs. I don't want to see the same thing I saw back in the early 90's. Those suits were awesome for that era but we some many amazing special effects studios that it would be crazy not to try something new.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

They are not supposed to be comfortable to look at what so ever and this team nailed it.

To each their own, I guess, but... when has this ever been the case? They're shocking to see at first because they're mutants, something that few "normal" people would believe existed beforehand, but at no point in 30 years have they not been "comfortable to look at". They were never designed or intended to be hideous.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by RedRocBoy

Exactly. People need to just except these are our new Turtles. Love the designs. I don't want to see the same thing I saw back in the early 90's. Those suits were awesome for that era but we some many amazing special effects studios that it would be crazy not to try something new.

I agree with both of you, The turtles we're getting aren't hideous, they are slightly off putting as mutants should be. in every version people run away screaming and its not just because there tall talking turtles its because they are off putting to an extent, its like people want only cartoon turtles with thumb heads/frog heads, or complete turtle with beaks no human characteristics, no inbetween even thought its been done before in various comics, a video game, tons of fanart, and now this movie