The NEW Official Trailer Discussion

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

You take a shell of those photos to and they would look like turtles either just repiles, as these guys would look with out the shell only different
is these look like a proper mix of human to reptile
It like they had a slider
One end is Green human
Other is Complete turtle
and they just stuck it in between the two

which is kind of my point the older designs are clearly reptilian with or without their shells. the new ones have too many humanoid characteristics to the point where without shells they could easily pass for a creature out of a fantasy land rather than an animal made bipedal. the turtles shouldn't be a mix of human and reptile because they are not human.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

I think 2014 leo looks no more like a realistic mutated turtle than 1990 leo. the only difference is they gave the new turtles more human features because they mapped the facial expressions of the actors doing the motion capture. they don't look any more turtle like than before in fact I'd argue less so to the point where if they didn't have shells you wouldn't even know what kind of creatures they're supposed to be.

Fair enough. I agree if you took the shell away you wouldn't be able to tell.. but that goes for the old ones as well imo.. I also agree with what you said about the human characteristics. Your absolutely right dude. I do on the other think they resemble a turtle a little more than the old ones though mostly the head and face. I understand what you mean though. Thank you for being fair

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Please what? Lol why do you keep saying that? Yes they do.. I have looked at your sig? lol. I just think that they look more " turtlish " then the old ones. I love the old ones but not for this movie, I love what they did. I love your little pictures of Shrek and Cesar.. cute. I have a little picture of my own.. what do you think of this

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...65057875_n.jpg


...please

I dunna....that profile of leo reminds me of this:

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

which is kind of my point the older designs are clearly reptilian with or without their shells. the new ones have too many humanoid characteristics to the point where without shells they could easily pass for a creature out of a fantasy land rather than an animal made bipedal. the turtles shouldn't be a mix of human and reptile because they are not human.

i think the old one are great for the time. But the new once have so much more little details Their eyes have life, there skin is much more reptilian, there nostril are far more reptilian then not having them About the only Human aspects are them standing up right, and lips that's it.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Jester

I dunna....that profile of leo reminds me of this:
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y13...Voldermort.png

LOL I'mmmm not so sure about that one but lol.. If that's what you see then, more power too ya.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Fair enough. I agree if you took the shell away you wouldn't be able to tell.. but that goes for the old ones as well imo.. I also agree with what you said about the human characteristics. Your absolutely right dude. I do on the other think they resemble a turtle a little more than the old ones though mostly the head and face. I understand what you mean though. Thank you for being fair

no worries man. to be clear I don't hate this film or anybody working on it I'm just disappointed by a lot of what i'm seeing from it and not sure anyone involved actually gets it. at least all the different angles of it anyway. im not trying to knock anybodys enjoyment of it but its frustrating to watch it go down this way when I feel like it could've been better handled.

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

not saying today you did a bit ago

You might not like the truth but some fans were really pissed off about that. It's a legitimate gripe, but it's in the past. I think it was the Eric Sach's thing hit people out of nowhere. No Oroku Saki in what is supposed to be a fresh script? You're a blind sheep (not you literally) if you naturally didn't react negatively one iota at first. Some longer then others. At the very least, it was questioned.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by tmntmikey23

i agree i just dont get why they hate a human they never meant

I don't hate her, I just think she is a horrible actress. She is wooden and unconvincing.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

no worries man. to be clear I don't hate this film or anybody working on it I'm just disappointed by a lot of what i'm seeing from it and not sure anyone involved actually gets it. at least all the different angles of it anyway. im not trying to knock anybodys enjoyment of it but its frustrating to watch it go down this way when I feel like it could've been better handled.

Dude.. that is totally understandable.. I honestly wish that people like you didn't feel that way, I wish everyone could be happy with it bc essentially we are all TMNT fans. It is refreshing to have someone voice a disagreement the way you did though. You know what I mean. Fair and honest. You never know.. Maybe they will take a different approach with the sequel, if there is one. Do you think you might see it when it comes out?

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Dude.. that is totally understandable.. I honestly wish that people like you didn't feel that way, I wish everyone could be happy with it bc essentially we are all TMNT fans. It is refreshing to have someone voice a disagreement the way you did though. You know what I mean. Fair and honest. You never know.. Maybe they will take a different approach with the sequel, if there is one. Do you think you might see it when it comes out?

definitely planning on not seeing it as of now and I don't see that changing unless a trailer comes out that shows some serious martial arts action or something that really changes my mind. there's way to many other things that look like I'll enjoy them to spend money on right now to for me to buy a ticket for this on the hope that I may be pleasantly surprised. plus if it turns out to be the disappointment I think it will I'll end up with a case of buyers remorse and the knowledge that I might have contributed to sequels being made by the same team I feel mismanaged this one.

[GrapeSoda]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Please what? Lol why do you keep saying that? Yes they do.. I have looked at your sig? lol. I just think that they look more " turtlish " then the old ones. I love the old ones but not for this movie, I love what they did. I love your little pictures of Shrek and Cesar.. cute. I have a little picture of my own.. what do you think of this

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...65057875_n.jpg


...please

That instagram image is totally reaching.
i don't see "turtle" in the new designs, whatsoever outside of a shell. and even that isn't "realistically" portrayed since it appears the plastron isn't connected on the sides. all i see is shrek, and the studio's desire to portray the actors' likenesses....because, Hamato Yoshi forbid, the actors portraying the turtles not get their face time for the cameras.

i'll also be the first to admit that none of the prior versions of the TMNT were very turtle-like in their facial features. But they were based off the ORIGINAL mirage comic designs....by the CREATORS of the franchise. Whether it was Peter, Kevin, or Jim....their designs were all very similar, and carried over similarly into every official version (even into the nick turtles).

so, polish your shield, if you must. you present a weak argument, and i'm almost surprised you tried to defend it.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Please what? Lol why do you keep saying that? Yes they do.. I have looked at your sig? lol. I just think that they look more " turtlish " then the old ones. I love the old ones but not for this movie, I love what they did. I love your little pictures of Shrek and Cesar.. cute. I have a little picture of my own.. what do you think of this

https://scontent-b-ord.xx.fbcdn.net/...65057875_n.jpg


...please

Uh, okay. I'm sure you see a turtle in the PD designs.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

That instagram image is totally reaching.
i don't see "turtle" in the new designs, whatsoever outside of a shell. and even that isn't "realistically" portrayed since it appears the plastron isn't connected on the sides. all i see is shrek, and the studio's desire to portray the actors' likenesses....because, Hamato Yoshi forbid, the actors portraying the turtles not get their face time for the cameras.

i'll also be the first to admit that none of the prior versions of the TMNT were very turtle-like in their facial features. But they were based off the ORIGINAL mirage comic designs....by the CREATORS of the franchise. Whether it was Peter, Kevin, or Jim....their designs were all very similar, and carried over similarly into every official version (even into the nick turtles).

so, polish your shield, if you must. you present a weak argument, and i'm almost surprised you tried to defend it.

Clearly I'm not alone then.

And That was my point a few pages back. The early Mirage through to the 2007 movie all had more "frog like" heads, absolutely, no question, but the latest version has zero turtle in the face. I posted the images just to illustrate my point, but if that's offensive, not sure what to say.

more to the point, there isn't a shred of likeness in your image between the turtle an Leo. Jester's image is more of a lock.

[Candy Kappa]

Now, a bipedal Turtle is an impossibility, but presenting a bipedal turtles then showing the plastron and carapace as separate pieces, and there is skin covered over where the bridge is supposed to be, showing muscles that folds over the ribs.

That's not possible, and looks ridiculous. A turtles shell is the spine and ribcage fused together covered in scutes, it's not just some plates covered over a turtle's torso, peeling off a turtles's shell will nor reveal abs, belly button and nipples.


And seriously.... A retractable Bo staff used for real combat. This is getting better and better.

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Now, a bipedal Turtle is an impossibility, but presenting a bipedal turtles then showing the plastron and carapace as separate pieces, and there is skin covered over where the bridge is supposed to be, showing muscles that folds over the ribs.

That's not possible, and looks ridiculous. A turtles shell is the spine and ribcage fused together covered in scutes, it's not just some plates covered over a turtle's torso, peeling off a turtles's shell will nor reveal abs, belly button and nipples.


And seriously.... A retractable Bo staff used for real combat. This is getting better and better.

LOL.
A perfect example of why I wrote NOT THAT, not ever.

[Raptor86]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Now, a bipedal Turtle is an impossibility, but presenting a bipedal turtles then showing the plastron and carapace as separate pieces, and there is skin covered over where the bridge is supposed to be, showing muscles that folds over the ribs.

That's not possible, and looks ridiculous. A turtles shell is the spine and ribcage fused together covered in scutes, it's not just some plates covered over a turtle's torso, peeling off a turtles's shell will nor reveal abs, belly button and nipples.

Even if I quite like the new design, this bothers me a lot ...I agree with you.

Oh, and is there a picture that clearly shows that they don't have the "shell bridge" on the sides?

[Technogeek29]

If were going with most closely resembling a Turtle, then the Mirage Turtles (despite their cartoony comic look) are the closet to actual Turtles. Might not have a snout but besides the early seasons of the OT their the only version that keeps their beaks and makes their mouths a V shape. And keep to a reasonable size scale as well I think the tallest of them was 5'4? That's a little short by human standards. Most versions even the first movie move away from those features mainly because its hard to be expressive with their V like mouths.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Technogeek29

If were going with most closely resembling a Turtle, then the Mirage Turtles (despite their cartoony comic look) are the closet to actual Turtles. Might not have a snout but besides the early seasons of the OT their the only version that keeps their beaks and makes their mouths a V shape. And keep to a reasonable size scale as well I think the tallest of them was 5'4? That's a little short by human standards. Most versions even the first movie move away from those features mainly because its hard to be expressive with their V like mouths.

I agree.. I'm actually watching Turtles Forever now lol. Great movie

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

I agree.. I'm actually watching Turtles Forever now lol. Great movie

Despite all the 87 turtles having the same personality, that really bugs me it's still highly entertaining...

[Jester]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Then, it is a weak opinion.
Besides, all responses were adequate and correct, no snobby or rude behavior. Currently it is only you, who is acting like a child here, what with the namecalling and generally rude responses. Nice way of being hypocrite.

Interestingly, it's a common trait for pretty much everyone, who defend this movie. It seems they are compensating for the inability to seriously prove their point, by way of being rude. Because, it always makes hilarious arguments more convincing, right?

Yikes...now i know why they call you "Sumac" because that was kinda poisonous.

EVERYONE (both pro and anti) take it down a couple notches or maybe we'll take TMNTMikey23's advice and "Wait until it's out to judge"...