Official Episode Discussion S2 #17 "Newtralized!"

[TigerClaw]

Finally saw this episode, Thought it was pretty good, Finally good to see Slash coming to his senses in the end.

Danny Trejo was the voice of the Newtralizer, But you couldn't recognize him with all the voice modulation going on.

Btw, Whats up with Newtralizer yelling. "Rocka! Rocka! Rocka!" a lot

[blindturtle02]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Finally saw this episode, Thought it was pretty good, Finally good to see Slash coming to his senses in the end.

Danny Trejo was the voice of the Newtralizer, But you couldn't recognize him with all the voice modulation going on.

Btw, Whats up with Newtralizer yelling. "Rocka! Rocka! Rocka!" a lot

TC, I'm thinking the rocka rocka thing has something to do with his species language. Not sure if it's supposed to be a tribal battle cry or what. I sort of dug it, although as others have said, it reminds me of Fozzie. I'm not sure if he's the last of his kind, but I can imagine thousands of these big brutes chanting this while pumping themselves up to battle the Kraang, or perhaps they do this while they're in battle since Newt busted it out a few times. I think it's safe to say he's an alien now and not a mutant, so I'd like to think there are more of his kind out there in those other dimensions somewhere. Unless of course the Kraang did away with the majority of his species. Who knows at this point? Fun to speculate though. I say alien because the Kraang have identified him as such more than once. Hey, there are alien dinosaurs in other incarnations. Why not alien newts or whatever? haha If he's just an every day mutant, that's cool too. Wonder where he got that translator and all his hardware?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

So...in other words, Slash (which could have been the most interesting villain of the whole show since he knows where they live, knows the family better than any of the other villains, almost murdered Mikey about 3 or 4 times in Slash & Destroy, gave them one of the worst beat downs that they ever had...at least since they first met Shredder) and all of the interesting stuff that you could have written for him as a villain (like being a Dark Mirror version of Raphael, or who Raph would/could be without his brothers) has pretty much been completely wasted since he's pretty much A-OK with them now.

And in just the Second show that he was in (not counting the tiny appearance he made in one of the previous episodes).

Great job writing team! Now let's move on to the Monster Pizzas show! I mean, Seriously? Really?

Even for a kids show, I have to say that they Really, Really dropped the ball on that. Big Time.

[MiBs]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

So...in other words, Slash (which could have been the most interesting villain of the whole show since he knows where they live, knows the family better than any of the other villains, almost murdered Mikey about 3 or 4 times in Slash & Destroy, gave them one of the worst beat downs that they ever had...at least since they first met Shredder) and all of the interesting stuff that you could have written for him as a villain (like being a Dark Mirror version of Raphael, or who Raph would/could be without his brothers) has pretty much been completely wasted since he's pretty much A-OK with them.

This ^. I really hope they will twist it again somehow, but I doubt it

[ShreddHedd]

Originally Posted by MiBs

This ^. I really hope they will twist it again somehow, but I doubt it

I agree, that sounds like a good idea actually. I think they need some more villains in the mix that are more personal to them and Slash could be that villain.

[MiBs]

Originally Posted by ShreddHedd

I agree, that sounds like a good idea actually. I think they need some more villains in the mix that are more personal to them and Slash could be that villain.

Especially, as Ramboraph pointed out, because he's a great way of exploring the darkness and depth of Raph's character

[BabyTurtles]

it would have been nice if Slash was a villain a LITTLE longer.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by blindturtle02

TC, I'm thinking the rocka rocka thing has something to do with his species language. Not sure if it's supposed to be a tribal battle cry or what. I sort of dug it, although as others have said, it reminds me of Fozzie. I'm not sure if he's the last of his kind, but I can imagine thousands of these big brutes chanting this while pumping themselves up to battle the Kraang, or perhaps they do this while they're in battle since Newt busted it out a few times. I think it's safe to say he's an alien now and not a mutant, so I'd like to think there are more of his kind out there in those other dimensions somewhere. Unless of course the Kraang did away with the majority of his species. Who knows at this point? Fun to speculate though. I say alien because the Kraang have identified him as such more than once. Hey, there are alien dinosaurs in other incarnations. Why not alien newts or whatever? haha If he's just an every day mutant, that's cool too. Wonder where he got that translator and all his hardware?

Yeah, Hes definitely an alien, When he met Slash for the first time, He had to change his translator device, in order to speak English.

[Coola Yagami]

The past episode had the Kraang call him the escaped convict, so he was always an alien.

Slash was never a full-on bad guy. He wanted to waste the bad guys in the ways the tmnt can't... at least the Nick tmnt can't. He saw the others are dead weight that were getting in the way. Insane, sure. But not the kind to go attack random people for no reason.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Slash was never a full-on bad guy. He wanted to waste the bad guys in the ways the tmnt can't... at least the Nick tmnt can't. He saw the others are dead weight that were getting in the way. Insane, sure. But not the kind to go attack random people for no reason.

But again, to go from giving Mikey the most severe beat down he's ever had (and almost murdering him in quite a few ways, you could say even the most severe beat down that Donnie might have had too if the bruises tell the whole story let alone Donnie's arm), to having a brutal fight with Raphael, and everything else in Slash & Destroy...and then in only his Second Appearance (not counting his cameo in another one) to pretty much become their Ally (set up for future episodes) is very, very weak as well as lame on the part of the writers. Way too quick and you could even say Anti-Climactic as well, since it's obvious that he'll be the ally that will come in once in a while to help out (if for nothing else but out of his Loyalty to Raphael).

Especially with all of the directions and things that you could have done with Slash after 'Slash & Destroy'. And instead they took the laziest and most easy way out. The only way it would have been 'even more lazier/easier' than this would have been if he had gotten turned back into Spike at the end.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

But again, to go from giving Mikey the most severe beat down he's ever had (and almost murdering him in quite a few ways, you could say even the most severe beat down that Donnie might have had too if the bruises tell the whole story let alone Donnie's arm), to having a brutal fight with Raphael, and everything else in Slash & Destroy...and then in only his Second Appearance (not counting his cameo in another one) to pretty much become their Ally (set up for future episodes) is very, very weak as well as lame on the part of the writers. Way too quick and you could even say Anti-Climactic as well, since it's obvious that he'll be the ally that will come in once in a while to help out (if for nothing else but out of his Loyalty to Raphael).

Especially with all of the directions and things that you could have done with Slash after 'Slash & Destroy'. And instead they took the laziest and most easy way out. The only way it would have been 'even more lazier/easier' than this would have been if he had gotten turned back into Spike at the end.

Like I said, he had reasons. Misguided whacked-out reasons... but reasons. The others were holding Raph back. The only way for Raph and him to be a kick-ass team to take down the bad guys.. was to take them out of the picture. He never showed interest into just harming random people.

[Leofan26]

It was an ok episode, Casey was pretty cool and I'm really growing to like him

Raph was a little annoying here though

[JTH]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

But again, to go from giving Mikey the most severe beat down he's ever had (and almost murdering him in quite a few ways, you could say even the most severe beat down that Donnie might have had too if the bruises tell the whole story let alone Donnie's arm), to having a brutal fight with Raphael, and everything else in Slash & Destroy...and then in only his Second Appearance (not counting his cameo in another one) to pretty much become their Ally (set up for future episodes) is very, very weak as well as lame on the part of the writers. Way too quick and you could even say Anti-Climactic as well, since it's obvious that he'll be the ally that will come in once in a while to help out (if for nothing else but out of his Loyalty to Raphael).

Especially with all of the directions and things that you could have done with Slash after 'Slash & Destroy'. And instead they took the laziest and most easy way out. The only way it would have been 'even more lazier/easier' than this would have been if he had gotten turned back into Spike at the end.

That's the issue with your statement, if you count don't his appearance in Metalhead Rewired, you're missing the whole point of where all this started at. That's the episode they realize they had a common enemy. That wasn't just a thrown in 3 second throwaway moment, that had significant meaning behind where they stood.

And plus bashing these writers for the whole "Turn on a dime cause you realized who the real enemy is" issue is ridiculous because it's happened WAY more times than you think in many different forms for many different franchises.

You know how many times that happened in say "X-Men"?

Do you have about seven hands to count from...?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by jth

And plus bashing these writers for the whole "Turn on a dime cause you realized who the real enemy is" issue is ridiculous because it's happened WAY more times than you think in many different forms for many different franchises.

You know how many times that happened in say "X-Men"?

Do you have about seven hands to count from...?

So because it's happened before from other people, it's ok that it happened again?

How about just not doing it that way, just because 'it's been done before'? Don't repeat what others did before you? Or learn from others' past mistakes?

And we agree to disagree on that other statement you made. I don't think that tiny appearance in Metalhead Rewired was as Significant as you make it out to be. To each their own. To me, the whole thing was a Cop Out.

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by jth

That's the issue with your statement, if you count don't his appearance in Metalhead Rewired, you're missing the whole point of where all this started at. That's the episode they realize they had a common enemy. That wasn't just a thrown in 3 second throwaway moment, that had significant meaning behind where they stood.

And plus bashing these writers for the whole "Turn on a dime cause you realized who the real enemy is" issue is ridiculous because it's happened WAY more times than you think in many different forms for many different franchises.

You know how many times that happened in say "X-Men"?

Do you have about seven hands to count from...?

It was a pretty big cameo.

I think Slash and the Turtles were force with "The enemy of my enemy is my freind." It makes sense to me any way.