Alan Ritchson says new movie "honors the origin story"

[Fjaj]

Originally Posted by GrapeSoda

Ouch.

I'm not intending this to be disrespectful, but this reads like what a 20 something would say about the original Star Wars trilogy verses the prequels. "The fights are boring, and they just stand there" or "The space battles look cheesy, like models" and "Yoda looks so stupid, he is just a puppet, not like in Episode 3."

As a jerk who loves dissecting bad and good films, the only gripe I have with TMNT 1990 is the pacing...which particularly drags at the farm house.

Interesting, I actually wish they spent more time at the farmhouse, so they would have more room for defining the characters. I know my opinion is probably shared by few people on this forum, because I actually watched it recently; unlike many other people who grew up with it. And I think that Star Wars is a bad connection, as those were critically acclaimed among everyone, unlike TMNT 1990 which is for the most part only loved by fans. I'm not trying to argue with anyone, I completely understand anyone who loves this film. I was stating my opinion because it seems like it's similar to Ritchson's.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

but I think nostalgia has done that movie a lot of favors.

Once again, it's your opinion but I wholeheartedly and respectfully disagree.

[AlphaAF]

TMNT: 1990 aka Danny: The Movie

Yet people are worrying too many scenes will focus on April O'Neil? At least it's a hot chick, and an important character in the mythos.

Ritchson is right, on many levels the turtles were one note. And I like that film. Yet people will defend their one note characterization, then say the new turtles are caricatures simply because each individual TMNT's dress sense reflects their personality.

It's like ... what?!

[Drose18]

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Siskel & Ebert also gave Speed 2: Cruise Control Two Thumbs Up, but not Aliens or Die Hard or Predator Two Thumbs Up.

And yet I think many people consider Die Hard, Aliens, and Predator masterpieces...and Speed 2? Not so much.

My point? It doesn't matter what critics say. It's up to the individual person.

And speaking for myself, I guess I'm just not part of that 'remembering the movie as part of our childhood so when we think about it, we incorporate all of that stuff into it which makes the movie seem to be much better than it actually is.'

I still think it's one of the best comic book movies hands down. And yeah, I honestly do think it's That Good.

And I don't mean to be rude, but that other guy saying that the voice acting in the 1990 film sucked?

Granted, it's his opinion (just like all you said is your opinion, sethmartin). I just don't understand it one bit.

Not saying I agree with Siskel and Ebert or any other critic. I was just saying that they made good points in their critiques. The film is good and it definitely stays faithful to the comics but it certainly isn't flawless. The film assumes you are a turtle fan before you watch it and waits until 20 minutes in before you get an explanation. This is one of the major reasons why critics at the time who were unfamiliar with the cartoon hated it. They spent the first 20 minutes going "What the hell am i watching?". Then they are supposed to buy this whole mutated ninja turtle concept based on a short flashback. For those of us who were kids at the time, we already knew the turtles and the origin so we didn't care that they breezed over the backstory, but to someone who was unfamiliar I can certainly understand their distaste. As a self contained feature without prior knowledge of the turtles, it falls apart.

[Puddinpop]

AR: In a lot of ways it’s still the same character. He’s still the angry hothead who’d rather take action than think about the implications of that action so in a lot of ways we’re still telling a lot of the same story. I think what we tried to do was to reach deeper and find other layers to these characters so they’re not so “one note”. I think in the past everybody sort of plays a caricature, like one dimension of humanity in a sense. I just think that the individuality and the depth of Raph and the turtles in this story is much, much richer. That’s something that we as actors focused on and I think it’s supported by the technology that’s helping to bring that story to life and the script that we ended up working with ultimately. It’s still a fun action/adventure movie but there’s a lot of heart and truth to the character that I think hasn’t really been expressed on film before.

Exactly.. This is what I was trying to say just hours ago in the " To everyone that's against the clothing " thread. They are trying to build a richer experience. They're going deeper with these characters. Like I said before if its done right we could be in for something truly epic. This whole concept of " outcasts living under a world that they're trying to understand and make sense of.. where do they fit into this world, will they ever be excepted.. trying to understand themselves as teenagers. I'm so intrigued by this.. I cant wait to watch it play out. I think Alan is telling the truth when he says that we will feel more attached to the turtles, more than ever BC of this new deeper richer version of the story and character development. Along with the tech. This isn't the first time he has talked about his character and how he relates to Raphael. He also spoke about how he relates to Raphs temper and how he never really thinks of the consequences of his actions. He talks about the characters feelings of betrayal and abandonment. I think we will really get a rich story. Not a " mindless Bay action movie " . Here's a link to another conversation with Alan..
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j...aBY6CtuBUv-OQg

[Xav]

Originally Posted by sethmartin

Several people involved with this film have stated that this movie remains true to the source material but so many people insist that they are all lying.

Maybe it's because those people haven't seen the story-arc were the turtles battle Eric Sachs and his black-ops army?

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Xav

Maybe it's because those people haven't seen the story-arc were the turtles battle Eric Sachs and his black-ops army?

What, you don't remmeber of Eric Sach from the comics?

[slingtheory]

I appreciate his words and I believe that he's genuinely enthusiastic but it doesn't make me any less skeptic. Its a little hard to take his word about expecting this to please the die hard fans when based on his previous interview he's only familiar with the old toon and maybe the movies.

Originally Posted by sethmartin

From Evan Daugherty who was hired in early 2013 to do rewrites to the script-

" ...these projects stay in development for a long time. Therefore different drafts are written, where people (writers) go in different directions and sometimes stray from the source material. I'm a massive fan of the Ninja Turtles: I had all the toys, I watched all the cartoons all the time when I was a kid. So when I came onboard, I wanted to make sure that the core things of the mythology remained."

He goes onto say...

(Continuing) "so in terms of pleasing the fans and remaining faithful to the source material of the Ninja Turtles, I think people will not be disappointed at all. All I can say is that it will be a Ninja Turtles movie. It's going to be a really GREAT Ninja Turtles movie!"


Several people involved with this film have stated that this movie remains true to the source material but so many people insist that they are all lying. I guess we will know for sure on August 8. I trust the people involved. Not saying that this film will be a masterpiece but from everything I've seen and heard from the ACTUAL production seems to stay consistent to the turtles, incorporates the things we love, and looks like it will at least be a fun entertaining movie.

I find that with movies like this its better to believe it when you see it. It may be a cynical stance to take but I've read enough. Interviews and fluff pieces to know folks in the movie business aren't above stretching the truth or even outright lying to build buzz for their movies.I ve also learned to read between the lines. In the interview evan daughtry talks about having all the toys and watching the cartoon and nothing else so when he talks about being faithful to the mythology I'm inclined to wonder if its only as it was presented in that show. Its hard to trust someones idea of what will be pleasing to a fanbase when they themselves only seem knowlegable about one interpratation of it.

[AlphaAF]

Actually in the 1990 film, the turtles weren't even one note.

Leo was a leader, but it's not made abundantly clear in his decisions or characterization. Hell, the theme song of the movie claims "Raphael is the leader of the group, transformed from the norm by the nuclear goop"

Don is borederline Mikey clone, voiced by Feldman. Whose very relaxed, cool guy nature doesn't always reflect Don's dorkyness. At least in the sequel they clearly defined his meaning to the team with a voice actor who fit the performance more.

Raph has the most dimension of any of the turtles in the 1990 movie. And Danny's character arc is the only one clearly defined. The movie starts off focusing on Raph, then gives up on it mid way through the film.

Hell, the 2014 film has more potential. How can a fan act like it's such a piece of crap? The '90 film was good, far from great. The sequels were fun nostalgia, but were terrible movies.

The new movie doesn't even have to try and it will end up being at worst the 2nd best film in the franchise.

Fans complaining the unique dress sense to each turtle is redundant, or caricature? To me it better accentuates who they are as characters, and their relation to one another in the family. How the individual personalities come together to form a cohesive team.

At least Donny is clearly a technical wizard, and dork. Leo clearly looks more regal, and student of the "game" per se in regards to Japanese bushido culture.

Raph is still the ready fire aim rebel, fighter, cool guy who is physically imposing, angry, and barbaric in mentality.

Mikey is clearly the pop culture obsessed, surfer / skate boarding pizza loving kid brother.

I've always disliked how the '90 film is about young teenagers losing their father, being forced to grow up quickly, come together as brothers to defeat a threat. Then the narrative totally bails out the point of them as family, and simply has Splinter save the day.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

What, you don't remmeber of Eric Sach from the comics?

No but I remember The Shredder, and Krang experimenting making their own mutants, controlling a Foot army that weilded laser guns.

Much like the 2k3 series, this movie probably combines the character of The Shredder and Krang.

This movie isn't taking much inspiration from the original Mirage stuff. It clearly seems to more reverential to the Wolf Toon, 2k3 toon, IDW series, and possibly Nick.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by sethmartin
From Evan Daugherty who was hired in early 2013 to do rewrites to the script-

" ...these projects stay in development for a long time. Therefore different drafts are written, where people (writers) go in different directions and sometimes stray from the source material. I'm a massive fan of the Ninja Turtles: I had all the toys, I watched all the cartoons all the time when I was a kid. So when I came onboard, I wanted to make sure that the core things of the mythology remained."

He goes onto say...

(Continuing) "so in terms of pleasing the fans and remaining faithful to the source material of the Ninja Turtles, I think people will not be disappointed at all. All I can say is that it will be a Ninja Turtles movie. It's going to be a really GREAT Ninja Turtles movie!"


Several people involved with this film have stated that this movie remains true to the source material but so many people insist that they are all lying. I guess we will know for sure on August 8. I trust the people involved. Not saying that this film will be a masterpiece but from everything I've seen and heard from the ACTUAL production seems to stay consistent to the turtles, incorporates the things we love, and looks like it will at least be a fun entertaining movie.

I saw how they folow the source material, remmeber the Blue Door and how that was so close to source material? Yeah....

No but I remember The Shredder, and Krang experimenting making their own mutants, controlling a Foot army that weilded laser guns.

Much like the 2k3 series, this movie probably combines the character of The Shredder and Krang.

This movie isn't taking much inspiration from the original Mirage stuff. It clearly seems to more reverential to the Wolf Toon, 2k3 toon, IDW series, and possibly Nick.

Whic was stupid in 2k3 and is stupid here...

[AlphaAF]

Peter Laird, the hack, the co-creator of the TMNT didn't even follow his own source material.

Shredder was Chrell. A pink troll Utrom. What's the big deal then when The Shredder is a white business man named Eric Sachs, portrayed by the deliciously evil Fitchner? We already got a more Mirage esque TMNT film, complete with Japanese Saki as Shredder.

Did people honestly want more of the exact same?

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Peter Laird, the hack, the co-creator of the TMNT didn't even follow his own source material.

Shredder was Chrell. A pink troll Utrom. What's the big deal then when The Shredder is a white business man named Eric Sachs, portrayed by the deliciously evil Fitchner? We already got a more Mirage esque TMNT film, complete with Japanese Saki as Shredder.

Did people honestly want more of the exact same?

Because it's a pointless change for the sake of change?

Shredder's identity has always been associated with Oroku Saki. It's been that way since the franchise began. Even in the 2003 series, they still used the Saki persona for Chr'ell. Not to mention it's just straight up whitewashing. Sorry, but I could care less how people say Fitcher is a good actor, doesn't mean he's right for the role.

There's is literally no good reason for them to change both Shredder's race and name.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Did people honestly want more of the exact same?

YES.

There's no detail too minor to fret over.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Even in the 2003 series, they still used the Saki persona for Chr'ell.

But he wasn't Saki ... He wasn't even human. His name was Chrell dude.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Because it's a pointless change for the sake of change?

Shredder's identity has always been associated with Oroku Saki. It's been that way since the franchise began. Even in the 2003 series, they still used the Saki persona. Not to mention it's just straight up whitewashing.

There's is literally no good reason for them to change both Shredder's race and name.

The only reason i see is that the he had this idea of leo cutting Shredder's head and the network was "No,no we can't have that in a show for kids, find a way to fix it" So they turned him into an utrom...

[MastahShredder]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

TMNT: 1990 aka Danny: The Movie

Yet people are worrying too many scenes will focus on April O'Neil? At least it's a hot chick, and an important character in the mythos.

Ritchson is right, on many levels the turtles were one note. And I like that film. Yet people will defend their one note characterization, then say the new turtles are caricatures simply because each individual TMNT's dress sense reflects their personality.

It's like ... what?!

The film was targeted for kids as well and if you take him out of the equation, who can they relate to?....a big message it wanted to sell to the younger viewers was the importance of family, being able to do the right thing no matter what you have done in the past.

[AlphaAF]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

The only reason i see is that the he had this idea of leo cutting Shredder's head and the network was "No,no we can't have that in a show for kids, find a way to fix it" So they turned him into an utrom...

He said in an interview it was his plan from the beginning to make that change.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

But he wasn't Saki ... He wasn't even human. His name was Chrell dude.

Yeah, but he still used the Oroku Saki identity most of the time.