New Issue of Entertainment Weekly to feature TMNT...amongst other things

[Commenter 42]

Originally Posted by AlphaAF

Just like a turtle leg, and arms would end up mutating into this:

http://www.comicbookmovie.com/images...screatures.jpg

Exact human musculature. But the plastrons being shaped in human musculature after the mutation is what you want to cry foul about? The very concept of turtles mutating into human shaped creatures, being able to speak is absurd.

Do you guys have ANY idea how ridiculous you sound arguing one element of absurd sci-fi being more plausible than another?




It makes total sense for them to have these human musculature traits, but defining the plastron to the mutated human form as well ... accentuating their strength, and superhero type status is just "RIDICULOUS", right?

LMAO

Great argument, because, if you're going to change the design, why would you look at nature? Seriously, why bother? Why not just **** it right up, and call yourself an artist!

Let's go ahead and make a TMNT movie, but forget plausibility, why bother! We're only spending millions, and, it's science fiction, so to heck with it!

Big goofy lips for everyone! Bullet proof Muscle-shells!

Gah...

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Remember this to be the day You almost caught Captain Hinkle Cookie Beard
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...06007271_n.jpg


IM the one who got the article I have it on my Wife Ipad lol IM the one who posted the turtle photos lol

Awesome, so does that mean yes?

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by Fjaj

I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

I'm pretty sure I've counted 5 digits on my red-eared/yellow-bellied sliders hind legs... Not sure where you get the 4 from.

And sure, it's all fantasy, but still. If the plastron, which is the turtle's ribcage covered in keratin scutes shaped like the musculature of a human, why isn't the carapace the same? Why isn't the carapace's scutes simulating shoulder plates, back muscles and all that juicy stuff?

Because it's a shell? So is the plastron, it's the same shell. There are some very jarring design choices in these designs.

And a few interesting tidbits that's just useless knowledge. In the concept art pages on one of the printings of #1, it's shown that the Turtles was originally going to have claws, retractable claws, but to my knowledge that have never been used, but the Turtles have for the most part been depicted claw/nail-less besides a few instances, like the live action movies and the game OotS. And as for the three digit on the hands and two on the feet, it's sort of incorrect. The heel is supposed to be the third toe as the heel is extra elongated, but I don't think that is ever utilized or brought up, and only appears mostly in early Mirage art style and Lawson's art style.

[Andrew Farago]

Very cool to see the book get a mention, and I'm glad that they stuck my name in there, too. That's going to move about ten extra copies of the magazine once my family hears about it.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I'm pretty sure I've counted 5 digits on my red-eared/yellow-bellied sliders hind legs... Not sure where you get the 4 from.

And sure, it's all fantasy, but still. If the plastron, which is the turtle's ribcage covered in keratin scutes shaped like the musculature of a human, why isn't the carapace the same? Why isn't the carapace's scutes simulating shoulder plates, back muscles and all that juicy stuff?

Because it's a shell? So is the plastron, it's the same shell. There are some very jarring design choices in these designs.

And a few interesting tidbits that's just useless knowledge. In the concept art pages on one of the printings of #1, it's shown that the Turtles was originally going to have claws, retractable claws, but to my knowledge that have never been used, but the Turtles have for the most part been depicted claw/nail-less besides a few instances, like the live action movies and the game OotS. And as for the three digit on the hands and two on the feet, it's sort of incorrect. The heel is supposed to be the third toe as the heel is extra elongated, but I don't think that is ever utilized or brought up, and only appears mostly in early Mirage art style and Lawson's art style.

Maybe mutagen turned their ribcage into a thick layer of skin and gave them a completly new humanoid ribcage instead of evolving their bones into more human like shape...

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

So basically, your argument is " it's fantasy, anything flies". Good for you, but that still doesn't hold a whole lot of ground. It's still illogical that the acutes on a turtles plastron would form into the shape of pecks, abs and the whole Shebang like on a human torso. The plastron is still the ribcage covered in scutes.

Ribcage abs.

You seem to be obsessed with this plastron. It's non stop with this one area. Both arguments are illogical. We don't get to pick what's appropriate or inappropriate to suit our arguments. Do you honestly think that the 1990 designs/suits were more realistic or logical? To be fair.. claiming either way is ridiculous

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Remember this to be the day You almost caught Captain Hinkle Cookie Beard
https://scontent-a-lga.xx.fbcdn.net/...06007271_n.jpg


IM the one who got the article I have it on my Wife Ipad lol IM the one who posted the turtle photos lol

Hahahaha That is priceless dude.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by electric_sheep

Maybe mutagen turned their ribcage into a thick layer of skin and gave them a completly new humanoid ribcage instead of evolving their bones into more human like shape...

But then... The carapace must have detached from the spine and taken the back part of the ribs with it, since the spine and ribs are fused with dermal bones to make the shell, the pelvis bones are also fused to the shell (but not on Cryptodira) so a new spine have to be grown as well as a new ribcage, cause there won't be any left of the "old" ribcage since it IS a part of the shell, the bridges are mutated to oblivion, and the plastron mutates from dermal bones and kreatin scutes into a thick layer of hide simulating the muscles of a beefcake.

And if they aren't of the Cryptodira suborder, the pelvis have to snap off to added mobility, or else it would be stupid if the still where attached to the former spine that is now just a hanging carapace, stuck on the turtle by only being attached to the skin...

That gotta be a painful procedure... The mutagen might have some healing abilities like the ooze in IDW

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

You seem to be obsessed with this plastron. It's non stop with this one area. Both arguments are illogical. We don't get to pick what's appropriate or inappropriate to suit our arguments. Do you honestly think that the 1990 designs/suits were more realistic or logical? To be fair.. claiming either way is ridiculous

Is it though?
Of course it is ridiculous, we're talking about bipedal turtles. But the Henson turtles had a lot going on in them, their musculature might be similar to a humans but they are still somewhat different, be it by design or Henson Creature Shop isn't as good as anatomy as one would think.

And it do boil down to taste. I personally prefer the turtles to be... Well turtles, they have a human-like structure, but they still in several incarnations hold a lot of turtle esthetics, like their limbs. The fore arms and legs are much wider then their shoulders (often depicted in Mirage and Nicktoon) which is very similar to a Slider, they have small shoulders but wider paws, and big feet. The shell is the defining feature of the TMNT as that usually is the link that they are turtles and not just Repilians, removing the shell bridge won't add flexibility, it'll just add "stupid". And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

But then... The carapace must have detached from the spine and taken the back part of the ribs with it, since the spine and ribs are fused with dermal bones to make the shell, the pelvis bones are also fused to the shell (but not on Cryptodira) so a new spine have to be grown as well as a new ribcage, cause there won't be any left of the "old" ribcage since it IS a part of the shell, the bridges are mutated to oblivion, and the plastron mutates from dermal bones and kreatin scutes into a thick layer of hide simulating the muscles of a beefcake.

And if they aren't of the Cryptodira suborder, the pelvis have to snap off to added mobility, or else it would be stupid if the still where attached to the former spine that is now just a hanging carapace, stuck on the turtle by only being attached to the skin...

That gotta be a painful procedure... The mutagen might have some healing abilities like the ooze in IDW

http://kawarthaturtle.org/blog/wp-co...anatomy300.bmp




Is it though?
Of course it is ridiculous, we're talking about bipedal turtles. But the Henson turtles had a lot going on in them, their musculature might be similar to a humans but they are still somewhat different, be it by design or Henson Creature Shop isn't as good as anatomy as one would think.

And it do boil down to taste. I personally prefer the turtles to be... Well turtles, they have a human-like structure, but they still in several incarnations hold a lot of turtle esthetics, like their limbs. The fore arms and legs are much wider then their shoulders (often depicted in Mirage and Nicktoon) which is very similar to a Slider, they have small shoulders but wider paws, and big feet. The shell is the defining feature of the TMNT as that usually is the link that they are turtles and not just Repilians, removing the shell bridge won't add flexibility, it'll just add "stupid". And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

Or it's just crappy desings
The truth is that he has abbs because that looks "Cool" it's just to show you that he is the tough guy (Because muscles mean tough, right?). It's also a compensation for crappy writing, instead of writing charachter corectly they will just design him to look tough because characher depth, what's that?

[Candy Kappa]

I know... But it still annoys me to no end.

[electric_sheep]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

I know... But it still annoys me to no end.

Same here, but trying to explain it just brings coments like "Duuuh they are giant mutant reptiles who eat Italian food and practice martial arts, it's all stupid".

[Candy Kappa]

Yeah, there's a name for that, but it escapes me. Andrew would know it

Found it.

Crisler's Law.

Spoiler:

The law of averages that states that sooner or later in a reason-minded discussion about the Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles, someone will attempt to refute the entire discussion or argument with a statement equivalent to "But we're talking about four mutant ninja turtles living in a sewer!"

[Raptor86]

I agree with Candy Kappa. I'd prefer the TMNTs had a real carapace, with shell bridge etc. (like the Nickelodeon ones).
But I kinda like the new design, though.

[Glados]

Originally Posted by Fjaj

I can understand why you don't like the designs, but I don't think you should argue about the realism of the designs. The turtles designs have never been realistic, they are almost always depicted with three fingers and two toes, when in reality turtles have 5 claws on their hands and 4 claws on their feet (the Turtles have never had claws either), and I'm sure you could argue more. The designs of the turtles are always more focused on looking good than actually being realistic. However, many people do no think these turtles look good, so their designers failed on some level.

Well said again! The turtles have never obeyed to the laws of "true turtle biology", there's no need to get all SCIENCE every time there's something one doesn't like about the design. And as I've mentioned before, they are mostly a blend of human and turtle, looking exclusively in the turtle-direction of biology just doesn't fly in my head. Doesn't mean it ain't okay to be displeased with aspects of the new look, tho

[TigerClaw]

I send a tweet to the artist that made the design of the Turtles, If that is a power glove on Donatello's arm? And he Favorited it.

[marcelangelo]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

i dont want to post the article because it cost money to get the magazine and posting the article online would be pirating the magazine so i didn't post it I could but i wont until some one else does.

thanks for answering.I wasn't asking anybody to share the article itself...I only ask of any new info on the film?I thought thats what we all are here for?
also, where I live we don't have this magazine I think...so is there really any news in there?

[Glados]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

I send a tweet to the artist that made the design of the Turtles, If that is a power glove on Donatello's arm? And he Favorited it.

I may not be in favor of all the junk on Don's back... but the power glove, gotta love that!

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by marcelangelo

thanks for answering.I wasn't asking anybody to share the article itself...I only ask of any new info on the film?I thought thats what we all are here for?
also, where I live we don't have this magazine I think...so is there really any news in there?

Mostly it talk about the design and how they went about figuring out the skin texture and color looking at hundreds of different reptiles, that the older design Rockport suit for mobility and expressive turtles, that they have 350 plus artists and animators, and that they talked with marine biologist and the turtles are technically teenagers

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

looking at hundreds of different reptiles,

not to be that guy...BUTTTT....shouldn't they have been looking at you know....Turtles...not different reptiles



Disney Animators watched Lion's not Tigers when they where drawing The Lion King

[SwiftNinjaFox]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

And make the plastron look like a fit human's torso complete with scutes shaped like abs, removes more and more of their turtle ness.

But we wanted to make them very expressive and draw out the human element so you'd relate better with them.

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Mostly it talk about the design and how they went about figuring out the skin texture and color looking at hundreds of different reptiles, that the older design Rockport suit for mobility and expressive turtles, that they have 350 plus artists and animators, and that they talked with marine biologist and the turtles are technically teenagers

Wait, what?

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Pondslider

If these were fan designs then there wouldn't be the reality of basically being stuck with them for close to a decade if this turns into a series of movies.

Ding ding ding!

I'm sorry, guys. Nope. These designs are terrible. Ugly, overdone and unappealing on damn near every level. It's trying way, way too hard to be "bad-ass", and as a rule, I find when someone has meddled this much with the core design of something, it's a pretty big red flag that they've missed the point and appeal of the characters/concept on a fundamental level.

It's my opinion and nobody else has to share it, but there is no way I'm paying money to look at these hideous things for two hours.