Which series did Shredder the most Justice? - Page 2

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 05-27-2014, 09:59 PM

The thread simply asked which series did him the most justice, so that was my answer. If I had to go with ONLY cartoons, I'd say 2K3/4Kids, as he was by far the most threatening and dangerous in that. Nick is good SO FAR, and I like his ties to Splinter, as well as his twisted use of Karai, but for me, Ch'rell's human persona simly stands out as far more of a threat overall. He laid waste to entire PLANETS! And apparently had designs on Earth, as well. It was a really interesting twist on Shredder to me, and a nice merging of Shredder and Krang.

BUT, since it simply said "series" (ie, comics are also a type of series) and it wasn't on the list, I chose the IDW version as the BEST so far.

Casey · 05-27-2014, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

The thread simply asked which series did him the most justice, so that was my answer. If I had to go with ONLY cartoons, I'd say 2K3/4Kids, as he was by far the most threatening and dangerous in that. Nick is good SO FAR, and I like his ties to Splinter, as well as his twisted use of Karai, but for me, Ch'rell's human persona simly stands out as far more of a threat overall. He laid waste to entire PLANETS! And apparently had designs on Earth, as well. It was a really interesting twist on Shredder to me, and a nice merging of Shredder and Krang.

BUT, since it simply said "series" (ie, comics are also a type of series) and it wasn't on the list, I chose the IDW version as the BEST so far.

I didn't know that. I thought series usually referred to TV Series. I think I appreciate IDW the most, but I also enjoy the ties held by Nick as well.

*Redeemer* · 05-28-2014, 01:03 AM

IDW ftw and 2nd place goes to 1st movie shredder.

Myko · 05-28-2014, 06:37 AM

I voted 2k3 but it's pretty close. 80s has the best design, but was written too comedic. I prefer human over Utrom Shredder and the 2k3 design is a bit too hulking. 2k12 is written well but I'm not a fan of the design, the oversized gauntlets are silly.

*pennydreadful* · 05-28-2014, 07:48 PM

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IDW ftw and 2nd place goes to 1st movie shredder.

I gotta say, I whole-heartedly agree with this one... all those other Shredders are just imitatin'.

*pannoni1* · 05-28-2014, 08:11 PM

The original movies/Next Mutation progressed a lot like the OT. The first movie was similar to the first season with Shredder not just a threat, but with more justice than the OT's ever was, ending with a well-deserved knockout by Splinter. SoTO's was like the middle seasons of the OT where Shredder started with some decent plan, only to let it collapse in a stupid way. The Next Mutation was the worst and felt only like a parody.

Mirage's Shredder was just too weak, but at least when he returned meant some edginess.

In terms of the TV series, Nick is still a work in progress, but I'll have to go with that. Shredder is no goofball like in most of the OT but recovered nicely from a defeat in the Season 1 finale. He cares about failure and when in battle with the Turtles, has just as dramatic fights as with the 4kids series. Now 4kids perhaps had the best absolute arcs and dramas in terms of development, but with Shredder being an alien TWICE just plays down the human Oroku Saki element and demotes it into just a robot. It was interesting to have Karai as Shredder. The Tengu Shredder though made up for this even if the story was awkward.

But if IDW was a choice, I'd vote for it.

Cryomancer · 06-01-2014, 01:59 PM

2012 Shredder has done almost nothing thus far other than give out orders that then proceed to fail. I'm not convinced he's even all THAT much of a threat or obstacle, honestly. It seems like all he really has over the turtles is numbers, and most of his henchmen are ineffective, insubordinate, or forced into their role anyway.

80s Shredder is similarly useless, although he had his moments now and then where he at least seemed like he could do something smart/well if he wanted to. He fell into the same trap of giving orders to idiots so he rarely succeeded at anything.

2003 Shredder had a very successful criminal empire for a long damn time until the TMNT came along. He managed to be a public figure, criminal super villain, and secret alien for years? decades? centuries? apparently unopposed until then. As far as cartoon enemies go, the battle with him lasted a long time without feeling super stagnant and repetitive with a lot of back and forth wins and losses from both sides. Good TV. Eventually the show failed to just let it go though and gave us a parade of more Shredders instead of moving on, which was lame. But ultimately out of the three he's gotta be the most intense and fun to watch so far. 2012 might be able to pick up the pace eventually but I have my doubts.

~~tmntmikey23~~ · 06-01-2014, 02:30 PM

I think I like this new 2012 shredder is more tougher to me he is more Bader and I cant wait to see how the new movie one will be like. but I agree with FC 03 Shredder is cool but he was not tough to me cus when he comes out of his Suit he is a small brain thing.

*ZariusTwo* · 06-01-2014, 05:19 PM

A toss up between Ch'rell and Tengu Shredder from 2003.

Jeff · 06-01-2014, 06:38 PM

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I think I like this new 2012 shredder is more tougher to me he is more Bader and I cant wait to see how the new movie one will be like. but I agree with FC 03 Shredder is cool but he was not tough to me cus when he comes out of his Suit he is a small brain thing.

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*pennydreadful* · 06-01-2014, 07:07 PM

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*Coola Yagami* · 06-01-2014, 09:16 PM

I still say the 2012 version. When I think Shredder, I think a Japanese crimelord with an army of ninjas that runs New York. Not a world-conquering alien. I admit 2K3 Shredder was more grandiose... but Shredder wasn't meant to be. It's like having the Kingpin conquer planets or the Joker destroy planets. In that aspect, the 2012 wins by a landslide.

NoName999 · 06-04-2014, 03:29 PM

2k3 Shredder

In addition to being the most competent Shredder, I like the fact that there was a legacy behind the name of Shredder.

Garfield · 06-04-2014, 04:51 PM

They all did Shredder justice given their respected medium and type of cartoon that they wanted to portray. But my preferred version of the Shredder is 2012 Shredder.

I like Shredder to be human. so that takes out 2003 Shred. Also the voice actor for 2012 Shredder is much better.

I like for shredder to be serious to so no 1987 SHredder either. I love the character though.

I love how gone Shredder is. A man scarred and obsessed. His mannerism can at times be like a horror character and he's still cool. He's gone enough so that he has a kind of mysterious boss kind of feel but he's a around enough so that you get to enjoy the character. When he arrives, it always seems like a big deal, and he's the only character I know to great some like this... "Bradford! You look terrible!." He just doesn't care to hide that he's a bad guy.

The Green Ranger · 06-07-2014, 08:11 PM

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I like human shredder. So out goes 2k3. And while 80s was cool, 2012s shredder is just awesome. His voice is terrifying, his design is sweet, and his rivalry with splinter develops him as a character, rather than just being a dick.

And I know he hasn't shown up all that much, but we hear from him in almost every foot based episode, mentioned in most others, and still feels like a major part of the show. Plus since we don't see him do too much, the 3 fights we've seen of him have been epic.

Perfect response...this ^_^ plus I don't like my Shredder being incompetent and an idiot like he was in the '87 toon. He was also a more stereotypical 1 dimensional "evil for the sake of being evil" villain. Loved the '87 toon, but not exactly deep story telling.

*neatoman* · 07-18-2014, 05:12 PM

The Shredder huh? Well there is a certain detail about him that we need to consider when discussing him and it is in regard to his initial appearence, namely this little incident:

Yeah just keeping him alive for more than one fight is technically messing around with him and to be honest, the Shredder is kind of the best when you do have a little fun with him. Since the Shredder was never intended to be that big of a deal and the fact that "dude with ninja skills and spiky armor" is kind of boring in a world with squid aliens and a valley girl time godesses means that regular human Shredder would have no purpose. That's why when he came back for the second time, he did so as a shark monster.

Anyway, Demon Shredder, the writers actually had the balls to put subtext of rape into one of his quotes, in a kids' show mind you!

Metropoliskid41 · 07-18-2014, 08:03 PM

Whether he was an Utrom or human, I don't think that takes away from his solid and downright ruthless portrayal, which totally aligns with the source material. 2K3 Shredder is relentless. He gets my vote from the options above. I think 2012 could one day surpass him when all is said and done, but as it is at this point, for me at least 2K3 takes it.

LeoRaph · 07-19-2014, 12:34 AM

4 Kids, until it was revealed to be Ch'rell.

1990 Movie is my all time fave version of Shredder though. The guy was genuinely scary without yelling or any over the top stuff. James Saito did such an awesome job, the guy just oozed danger, you can dub anyone's voice but you can't replace the subtle non verbal things he brought to the role.

*oldmanwinters* · 07-19-2014, 01:15 AM

By "justice" I was thinking you meant him reaping the just punishment for his crimes. In that case I went with the 1980s, since getting stuck with Krang and his bickering must have been an awful, awful existence.

terrorblade · 07-19-2014, 01:42 AM

I like the Nick Shredder the best , he's twisted and he has a pretty good back story. 4kids Shredder is too one-dimensional for me, he's just another 'rule-the-universe' bad guy and I think making him an Utrom is completely unnecessary, it doesn't really help his character at all.

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05-27-2014, 09:59 PM	#21
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	The thread simply asked which series did him the most justice, so that was my answer. If I had to go with ONLY cartoons, I'd say 2K3/4Kids, as he was by far the most threatening and dangerous in that. Nick is good SO FAR, and I like his ties to Splinter, as well as his twisted use of Karai, but for me, Ch'rell's human persona simly stands out as far more of a threat overall. He laid waste to entire PLANETS! And apparently had designs on Earth, as well. It was a really interesting twist on Shredder to me, and a nice merging of Shredder and Krang. BUT, since it simply said "series" (ie, comics are also a type of series) and it wasn't on the list, I chose the IDW version as the BEST so far. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

05-28-2014, 01:03 AM	#23
Redeemer Technodrome Technician Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: third earth Posts: 4,737	IDW ftw and 2nd place goes to 1st movie shredder. __________________ GT:Reedeamer *THE TECHNODROME REDESIGN 2015* http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/showthread.php?t=51594

05-28-2014, 08:11 PM	#26
pannoni1 Foot Elite Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: USA Posts: 3,447	The original movies/Next Mutation progressed a lot like the OT. The first movie was similar to the first season with Shredder not just a threat, but with more justice than the OT's ever was, ending with a well-deserved knockout by Splinter. SoTO's was like the middle seasons of the OT where Shredder started with some decent plan, only to let it collapse in a stupid way. The Next Mutation was the worst and felt only like a parody. Mirage's Shredder was just too weak, but at least when he returned meant some edginess. In terms of the TV series, Nick is still a work in progress, but I'll have to go with that. Shredder is no goofball like in most of the OT but recovered nicely from a defeat in the Season 1 finale. He cares about failure and when in battle with the Turtles, has just as dramatic fights as with the 4kids series. Now 4kids perhaps had the best absolute arcs and dramas in terms of development, but with Shredder being an alien TWICE just plays down the human Oroku Saki element and demotes it into just a robot. It was interesting to have Karai as Shredder. The Tengu Shredder though made up for this even if the story was awkward. But if IDW was a choice, I'd vote for it. __________________ http://forums.thetechnodrome.com/sho...d.php?t=37065- MY WANT LIST TMNT FAN CLUB LINK: http://sot.ag/gCjK/ 30 years of Turtle Power!

06-01-2014, 01:59 PM	#27
Cryomancer Mad Scientist Join Date: May 2011 Posts: 1,090	2012 Shredder has done almost nothing thus far other than give out orders that then proceed to fail. I'm not convinced he's even all THAT much of a threat or obstacle, honestly. It seems like all he really has over the turtles is numbers, and most of his henchmen are ineffective, insubordinate, or forced into their role anyway. 80s Shredder is similarly useless, although he had his moments now and then where he at least seemed like he could do something smart/well if he wanted to. He fell into the same trap of giving orders to idiots so he rarely succeeded at anything. 2003 Shredder had a very successful criminal empire for a long damn time until the TMNT came along. He managed to be a public figure, criminal super villain, and secret alien for years? decades? centuries? apparently unopposed until then. As far as cartoon enemies go, the battle with him lasted a long time without feeling super stagnant and repetitive with a lot of back and forth wins and losses from both sides. Good TV. Eventually the show failed to just let it go though and gave us a parade of more Shredders instead of moving on, which was lame. But ultimately out of the three he's gotta be the most intense and fun to watch so far. 2012 might be able to pick up the pace eventually but I have my doubts. __________________ Final Boss of translation group Opentrain. We do videogame comics and TMNT stuff. http://opentrain.theyear199x.org/

05-28-2014, 06:37 AM	#24
Myko Thug Join Date: Nov 2013 Location: Sweden Posts: 73	I voted 2k3 but it's pretty close. 80s has the best design, but was written too comedic. I prefer human over Utrom Shredder and the 2k3 design is a bit too hulking. 2k12 is written well but I'm not a fan of the design, the oversized gauntlets are silly.

06-01-2014, 02:30 PM	#28
~~tmntmikey23~~ Banned Join Date: Jan 2014 Location: NV Las vegas Posts: 974	I think I like this new 2012 shredder is more tougher to me he is more Bader and I cant wait to see how the new movie one will be like. but I agree with FC 03 Shredder is cool but he was not tough to me cus when he comes out of his Suit he is a small brain thing.

06-01-2014, 05:19 PM	#29
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,488	A toss up between Ch'rell and Tengu Shredder from 2003. __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks

06-01-2014, 09:16 PM	#32
Coola Yagami Overlord Join Date: Jan 2004 Posts: 15,709	I still say the 2012 version. When I think Shredder, I think a Japanese crimelord with an army of ninjas that runs New York. Not a world-conquering alien. I admit 2K3 Shredder was more grandiose... but Shredder wasn't meant to be. It's like having the Kingpin conquer planets or the Joker destroy planets. In that aspect, the 2012 wins by a landslide. __________________ "I was down with TMNT once, but then they changed what TMNT was. Now what I was down with is no longer TMNT and what TMNT now is seems weird and scary. And it'll happen to YOU." Check out my blog for Comic Reviews and other things. https://markepicblogofrandomness.blogspot.com/ I also started The AEW Crew, the All Elite Wrestling Fan Club! https://www.facebook.com/groups/637508120044168/

06-04-2014, 03:29 PM	#33
NoName999 Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2014 Location: The Void Posts: 191	2k3 Shredder In addition to being the most competent Shredder, I like the fact that there was a legacy behind the name of Shredder. __________________

06-04-2014, 04:51 PM	#34
Garfield Hench Mutant Join Date: Oct 2012 Location: New England Posts: 432	They all did Shredder justice given their respected medium and type of cartoon that they wanted to portray. But my preferred version of the Shredder is 2012 Shredder. I like Shredder to be human. so that takes out 2003 Shred. Also the voice actor for 2012 Shredder is much better. I like for shredder to be serious to so no 1987 SHredder either. I love the character though. I love how gone Shredder is. A man scarred and obsessed. His mannerism can at times be like a horror character and he's still cool. He's gone enough so that he has a kind of mysterious boss kind of feel but he's a around enough so that you get to enjoy the character. When he arrives, it always seems like a big deal, and he's the only character I know to great some like this... "Bradford! You look terrible!." He just doesn't care to hide that he's a bad guy.

07-18-2014, 05:12 PM	#36
neatoman Overlord Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Stockholm Posts: 11,087	The Shredder huh? Well there is a certain detail about him that we need to consider when discussing him and it is in regard to his initial appearence, namely this little incident: Yeah just keeping him alive for more than one fight is technically messing around with him and to be honest, the Shredder is kind of the best when you do have a little fun with him. Since the Shredder was never intended to be that big of a deal and the fact that "dude with ninja skills and spiky armor" is kind of boring in a world with squid aliens and a valley girl time godesses means that regular human Shredder would have no purpose. That's why when he came back for the second time, he did so as a shark monster. Anyway, Demon Shredder, the writers actually had the balls to put subtext of rape into one of his quotes, in a kids' show mind you!

07-18-2014, 08:03 PM	#37
Metropoliskid41 Stone Warrior Join Date: Dec 2011 Location: Tundra Posts: 886	Whether he was an Utrom or human, I don't think that takes away from his solid and downright ruthless portrayal, which totally aligns with the source material. 2K3 Shredder is relentless. He gets my vote from the options above. I think 2012 could one day surpass him when all is said and done, but as it is at this point, for me at least 2K3 takes it. __________________ -------------------

07-19-2014, 12:34 AM	#38
LeoRaph Hench Mutant Join Date: Jul 2014 Location: Sydney Posts: 357	4 Kids, until it was revealed to be Ch'rell. 1990 Movie is my all time fave version of Shredder though. The guy was genuinely scary without yelling or any over the top stuff. James Saito did such an awesome job, the guy just oozed danger, you can dub anyone's voice but you can't replace the subtle non verbal things he brought to the role.

07-19-2014, 01:15 AM	#39
oldmanwinters Overlord Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Between yesterday and tomorrow! Posts: 15,499	By "justice" I was thinking you meant him reaping the just punishment for his crimes. In that case I went with the 1980s, since getting stuck with Krang and his bickering must have been an awful, awful existence. __________________ Experience the TMNT Fan Commentaries! Check out my TMNT fan comic, "Nothing to Fear"! View my sketch work! I'm selling some of my hard-to-find TMNT items!

07-19-2014, 01:42 AM	#40
terrorblade Foot Soldier Join Date: Apr 2014 Posts: 179	I like the Nick Shredder the best , he's twisted and he has a pretty good back story. 4kids Shredder is too one-dimensional for me, he's just another 'rule-the-universe' bad guy and I think making him an Utrom is completely unnecessary, it doesn't really help his character at all.