the "teenage" in Ninja Turtles

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

so i have been having this convo a lot with people, and i wanted to hear the views of some fellow dromers..how do you view the "teenage" part in TMNT?

is it name alone? as actual teens?

i know for me personally ive never viewed them as "teens" outside of name alone..aside from the current toon they have always acted older partly do to being raised by splinter.we do know its 15(give or take) years from mutation day usually they surface..but what we don't know if how old where they as baby turtles..just hatched? a few years?

[Prowler]

How didn't they act like teenagers in the other incarnations? They've always come across as being 18-19 years old in the other two cartoons to me.

[Candy Kappa]

The Turtles have always acted older then heir age would indicate, it's one of the things I love about the current cartoon, is that they do feel portrayed as young teenagers.

But, considering their situation, it's not out of place to depict the as acting more adult/less childish being raised in the sewers, hiding from society and trained in stealth to avoid any outside world contact and/or assassinate a ninja master.

and by human standard, they are teenagers being 15 years old as the standard introduction age, despite their maturity., despite their maturity.

[KirkyMonster]

They are teenagers in my mind it just works better that way to me.

[Netkeeper]

In every incarnation they're still very obviously teenagers. I prefer the continuities where they act more mature because it makes more sense; given their upbringing, they'd realistically have to grow up very quickly. They still have their obvious teenage moments, though. I think in all continuities except maybe Mirage and 2012, they act their age perfectly fine.

Then again, I talk to a lot of teenagers. Maturity levels with them can vary WIDELY.

[Candy Kappa]

well, pop-culture/TV teens Since teenagers isn't all raging stereotypes as shown on the telly.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

well, pop-culture/TV teens Since teenagers isn't all raging stereotypes as shown on the telly.

Well yeah. And it's much better writing to portray teenagers more realistically than it is to portray them as a broad collection of tropes and stereotypes.

[Powder]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

I think in all continuities except maybe Mirage and 2012, they act their age perfectly fine.

They're perfect teenagers in the Nick series. & the Mirage turtles were raised with the sole purpose of killing, so it's not unfair for them to be grim and mature at young ages. But even then, they have teenage moments.

[Donatello19]

One of my favorite things about the Nick series is that they actually act like real teenagers. I never got that vibe from any of the other incarnations honestly...I mean, maybe a bit, but very mature/older teens at that...like maybe 19 years old.

[CyberCubed]

In the OT they acted like 20 year olds and in 4kids like they were 18-19.

Same for Mirage.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by Powder

They're perfect teenagers in the Nick series. & the Mirage turtles were raised with the sole purpose of killing, so it's not unfair for them to be grim and mature at young ages. But even then, they have teenage moments.

I think the 2012 turtles act more like 13 year olds. In fact I'd like them a lot better if they were.

But you're absolutely right about the Mirage turtles.

[Powder]

Maybe so, but that still makes them thirteenagers, feel me? There's different levels of being a teen, and they match the one suited for developing minds.

[Netkeeper]

Oh, yeah, 13 is still a teen. Just not the specified age. :V

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

In every incarnation they're still very obviously teenagers. I prefer the continuities where they act more mature because it makes more sense; given their upbringing, they'd realistically have to grow up very quickly. They still have their obvious teenage moments, though. I think in all continuities except maybe Mirage and 2012, they act their age perfectly fine.

Then again, I talk to a lot of teenagers. Maturity levels with them can vary WIDELY.

I've always considered them teenagers in every incarnation, just with different maturity levels in the continuities.

[Technogeek29]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

I've always considered them teenagers in every incarnation, just with different maturity levels in the continuities.

Well in each incarnation (except maybe Mirage) I consider them all immature in a different way. The most mature ironically is the OT the sillest incarnation.

[Warboss74]

Being teenagers doesn't mean they have to act like average American teenagers, especially considering they've grown up with a very Spartan lifestyle depending on version. Would you expect them to be just like average teenagers in that situation? Now I don't think they would be like Clovis I at 15, but I'd imagine they'd lean closer to him than average American teenager.

[Sighphi]

Originally Posted by Warboss74

Being teenagers doesn't mean they have to act like average American teenagers, especially considering they've grown up with a very Spartan lifestyle depending on version. Would you expect them to be just like average teenagers in that situation? Now I don't think they would be like Clovis I at 15, but I'd imagine they'd lean closer to him than average American teenager.

Word, they always seem to me to be teenagers that spent their whole lives being trained as ninja. Heck, not that long ago kids were working in factories next to everyone else probably cause there was nothing to do. These kids have nothing to do but be ninjas.

[fridaynightdestination]

Teenagers for sure. In most incarnations they come of as 15-18 years old. For example:
1990's turtles- They act 16 to 17 years old.
2003 Turtles- Act 16 to 17 years old.
2007 Turtles- 16-18 years old.
2012 Turtles- Act 13 to 15 years old.

[Slade]

Now that I'm actually sitting here thinking about it, I've always mostly viewed them as teenagers. I like the way Nick has it feel like the turtles are in their early teens.

In the OT, they all seem around 16-19. But not a different age for each.
Live action movies I see it Mike 16, Don 17 or 18, Raph 18 or 17, Leo 19 or 18
Now the 2k3 series/2k7 movie. I see them as older. Especially Leo, I kind of see him as maybe 21, Raph 20 or 19. Mike like 18.

Mirage I see them all the same age, just hardened.

[Refractive Reflections]

I've responded to this a few times before about the whole "teenage" aspect to TMNT and their unique life experiences compared to our own relatively sheltered youth:

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

These Nick Turtles are probably more teenagerish than I would expect with crime-fighters, and not always in the best way (i.e. the Turtles' lack of sympathy for Timothy in "The Pulverizer Returns" episode). But as I mentioned before in previous threads, these instances can be used to show how dramatically the Nick Turtles will mature through subsequent seasons. Also I have to consider that these Nick Turtles were sheltered from the outside world for nearly 15 years, so... **shrug**

I could tolerate and accept the OT and 2K3 Turtles as being teenagers (excluding the voices though), because I assumed that their brutal fighting experiences in the past had matured them at a much faster rate than other teenagers at that age. It's because I had a few friends who grew up in the crime-rampant inner city who were teenagers, in which their experiences forced them to mature leaps ahead than their more sheltered, secured peers residing in the middle-class/affluent suburbs.

Originally Posted by Refractive Reflections

Well, I know its only kids cartoons , but as for how sheltered the OT and 4Kids Turtles really were before their adolescence is always debatable. (I mean in the 4Kids series the Turtles snuck out to meet Casey Jones, what's to say they didn't sneak out again? )
But anyways, I'm just generally speaking and not necessarily about the Turtles in which I'm sure that whoever goes out in the dead of night and involves themselves into possible lethal street fights would immediately be struck with the harsh reality of the cruelty of the criminal underworld, and would be forced to mature quickly if they wanted to survive. Therefore, I somewhat applied it to the OT and 4Kids Turtles, that their lack of teenage behavior didn't bother me if they were constantly associating themselves in this criminal underworld.

But yeah, I know they're all cartoons for kids. I wasn't trying to make the Turtles characters (OT or 4Kids) unnecessarily tragic, just more or less if they are fighting with lethal street thugs/enemies constantly, you can't expect any "over-the-top" childish/teenage behavior to last too long (but it doesn't mean they have to always be grim and serious). But all I was trying to convey was that the OT and 4Kids Turtles' lack of teenage behavior, and "young adult" behavior (?) could be believable in their teenage years because of their unique experiences (compared to their human peers), but whatever...

Personally the Mirage Turtles are a bit too grim for my taste since they were specifically trained for killing, but it's not far from reality for these Mirage Turtles considering the military use of children, especially in some African terrorist militia groups.
http://www.a24media.com/the-children-of-terror/