donny Just flipped a car...Im treating this movie as a cartoon from now on.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

Wow. You've never seen anything TMNT-related in your life then...

Or you just happened to once again be completely oblivious to certain things like Raph twirling and throwing a mutated rhinoceros (that was meant to be the more realistic version of the original series mind you) or countless times where the Turtles sent people literally flying by a single kick or punch in the 2K3 & 2012 Series.

Kinda think flipping a truck without breaking the stick or messing up your muscles is a lot different than your examples.

As the show went on the writers seem to forget that bebop and rocksteady are supposed to be stronger (and heavier) than regular people and couldn't even accomplish simple tasks they should he able to. I'm quite it would look a lot less realistic if raph did that to rocksteady in live action unless rocksteady was a real small dude.

The second example is weak. Lots of heroes and even live action heroes seem to send people flying with their punches and kicks without super powers. It's just cartoon/movie physics.

Fact of the matter is the tmnt, aside from their hard shells for extra protection, have no real super powers or super strength. Just their ninja skills.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs.

Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.

Someone wake up on the wrong side of the bed today? Let me say.. if one of us came out and delivered multiple posts like this wed get some angry responses.

Didn't you read Banshee's post yesterday? Calling us "blind" or saying that we are blindly devoted to this film is just as ridiculous as someone saying that your an " overly critical cynical nostalgic whining fanboy" So far every time ive posted this morning you've come out and called it "BS".. saying that we are "desperately trying to defend this movie" and that we are " making up wacky half assed theories". Ok.. Whatever.. good for you lol.

Chill out with the Flame bait dude. You like what you like.. We like what we like..

[Sumac]

Just bc someone has a preference doesn't make it " right or wrong " for a new modern day reboot of a live action trilogy.

Well, in the next reboot they can be turned into alien samurai vaguely-reptillian muations, fighting enemies with flamethrowers, but I don't think people will think that its the right thing.
You can out oflimits, but sometimes you can go out of them TOO much.

[zodiac brave]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Kinda think flipping a truck without breaking the stick or messing up your muscles is a lot different than your examples.

can you explain how?

and why?

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The second example is weak. Lots of heroes and even live action heroes seem to send people flying with their punches and kicks without super powers. It's just cartoon/movie physics.

*facepalm*

do i even have to explain why i singled this part out???

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked

What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.

Makes sense.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That's because cartoons and comics have more time to explain where the wacky stuff came from. The 2k3 tmnt didn't have random people using blasters until after the triceraton invasion and they didn't add future tech to their lair after their trip to the future. But there are entire episodes and seasons to explain where all this came from. For all the wacky stuff Marvel and DC does there's always some past issue or story arc to explain it and then it continues to get expanded upon. It has some sort of explanation within that world...and even then The rest of the world continues to function the way our world does to make the weird stuff stand out.

That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

I doubt the movie is gonna explain where Don got the bo (or the strength) to flip a truck. Nor should he. Just like raph shouldn't be able to slam into a Humvee without getting knocked the hell out.

Do you really believe that?

The turtles never had super strength either. And that argument about being able to do more now than what they could in the 90s is bs. They could do way more in the current batman movies than they could in the Burton era and they didn't make Batman fight with a life saber just because 'they can'.

Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

Honestly I think you people try too hard to defend this. There's being a fan and then there's extreme blind devotion. And don't give me that crisp about we haven't seen the movie yet. LOTS of movies have trailers that you can already tell the movie is gonna suck based on what is shown. And there aren't legions of people desperately trying to explain away why the trailer clearly shows. It's like a transformers movie where Prime was a jet instead of a truck. The trailer will clearly show prime as a jet. And the lot of you will be explaining away or making wacky half-assed theories on how somehow the trailer is wrong and he'll still be a truck all along.

Just like all the wacky Oroku Saki is not a renamed Eric Sachs theories.

I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Jester

Comic book movies have varying degrees of "reality". A film like Superman is miles away more fantastic and full of more super-powered feats then say a Batman or a Kick-Ass movie. The Turtles have always been, despite the extreme craziness of their origins, portrayed as characters who have no super powers, just a decade and a half of martial arts training. That's part of what makes them appeal to a lot of people.

It'd be like taking Superman and striping him of all his powers. Those are what makes him Superman and what fans are often looking for.

This is why I would totally be up for a TMNT/Kick Ass cross over. Who would get the bigger shock. Mindy seeing a bunch of gigantic mutant turtles who are trained in the art of Ninja, or the Turtles shock that an 11 year old is a brutal killing machine.

Originally Posted by UGHShellshocked View Post
What if each of them take a car out while they are sliding down the hill? Raph gets launched into one, Donnie uses his modified bo and we just have to wait to see what the other two are doing.

Well, Leo will probably slash the tires on one truck with this swords, and with snow like that, it will easily flip over. Mikey, I can see him jump onto the driver's side door, and whip his nunchucks out, wrapping them around the steering wheel, jerking it sharply, and then causing that vehicle to flip over.

[chrisdude]

But what if the other two takedowns are just as outrageous as the two we know?

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

But what if the other two takedowns are just as outrageous as the two we know?

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

And Mikey just lifts the engine out of his.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Makes sense.

That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

Do you really believe that?

Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

Usually movies like these take place in a 'real world' where the only weird things are whatever the movie is about. Otherwise the turtles wouldn't be a big deal cause April would already be working for a talking aardvark and be paying rent to a mutant plant. The three stooges take place in a comedic world and sometimes even the non-stooges act like it's weird or surprising that curly can take that much damage to his head while moe and Larry act like nothing is weird.

Crouching Tiger is also an exaggerated world where martaul arts somehow make you leap several feet in the air.

Tmnt is obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world despite all the mutants and aliens and other monsters. Otherwise the turtles could just walk around like regular people and April can just whip out a giant mallet out of her purse and bash the foot soldiers herself.

Movies always have some suspension of disbelief. Especially in a movie about talking turtles were supposed to believe could happen. But don't go overboard with the cartoon physics or it'll look obviously fake.

[pennydreadful]

Good gravy, can't we stop arguing for one day? Whether the movie sucks or not, it's so not worth the aggro that's being passed around here.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

Psh. Leo is leader and is awesome. Leo says flip over, you frikkin FLIP OVER.


(Arguing.. admit it, humans love to do it. Internet and every forum known to man is proof of that.. lol Some just get off on it more I guess.)

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

Makes sense.

That's not really what I'm getting at. You're doing what it is I'm talking about. You're reasoning assumes that given story takes place in a world that's just like ours, and any differences should have an explanation. I'm talking about fantasy worlds were things aren't expected to work like ours.

When Moe hits Curly on the head with a hammer, you don't require plausible explanation as to why Curly's not injured. You realize that this is a world in which hammers don't cause serious injury, and when Larry gets burned with an iron, it makes sense. The rules of that universe simply don't match ours.

The people in Crouching Tiger Hidden Dragon didn't have superhero origin stories. Neither did the ex-boyfriends in Scott Pilgrim vs The World.

My original complaint was that people rarely let go and allow that to happen with live action, but anything goes if the movie is animated. I'm surprised I came up with three examples.

Do you really believe that?

Hopefully, these turtles will, at least, run on the rooftops.

BTW, that's either a feat of superhuman strength and endurance, which needs to be explained - or it's just a feature of a world that's not rigidly realistic.

I'm cool with what I've seen, as I've seen it. I'm just not assuming that this world operates exactly like ours.

Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?

I'll stop the hate for now. But honestly. I just don't see it. This just isn't tmnt. And yet the vast maturity is ready to welcome this crap with open arms. Might as well make a Venus feature film. I'm sure you'll flock to it too. And defend it til the day you die.

[chrisdude]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Usually movies like these take place in a 'real world' where the only weird things are whatever the movie is about. Otherwise the turtles wouldn't be a big deal cause April would already be working for a talking aardvark and be paying rent to a mutant plant. The three stooges take place in a comedic world and sometimes even the non-stooges act like it's weird or surprising that curly can take that much damage to his head while moe and Larry act like nothing is weird.

Crouching Tiger is also an exaggerated world where martaul arts somehow make you leap several feet in the air.

Tmnt is obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world despite all the mutants and aliens and other monsters. Otherwise the turtles could just walk around like regular people and April can just whip out a giant mallet out of her purse and bash the foot soldiers herself.

Movies always have some suspension of disbelief. Especially in a movie about talking turtles were supposed to believe could happen. But don't go overboard with the cartoon physics or it'll look obviously fake.

How does the bo work? Why does the van look so nice? Why didn't Raph break his shell? Why would April faint? Raphiel's disguise is ridiculous!

"Obviously supposed to take place in a realistic world," yet we question its realism at every turn. I wouldn't be so sure.

I gave examples of worlds where things were nearly realistic. Why are you dragging out to the extreme with talk of mallets and aardvarks? There are obviously shades of gray. We were discussing them.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?

I'll stop the hate for now. But honestly. I just don't see it. This just isn't tmnt. And yet the vast maturity is ready to welcome this crap with open arms. Might as well make a Venus feature film. I'm sure you'll flock to it too. And defend it til the day you die.

This guy just doesn't understand opinions...

Btw there ARE a ton of things I hate about this new movie (I'm not blindly devoted to it.) just like with every single movie. No movie is perfect! Wether you like it or not, it IS TMNT and it will be a smash hit based everything we know!

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

(Arguing.. admit it, humans love to do it. Internet and every forum known to man is proof of that.. lol Some just get off on it more I guess.)

Oh hells yes - it's more just the fact that it's the same subjects over and over and over, saying things that have already been said a million times. It makes for very dull reading!

I'd hoped that the Seth Green news might've distracted everyone for at least a day or two!

[Leolead]

[QUOTE=Coola Yagami;1285054]Sorry for the hate. I'm just confused that on a forum for tmnt fans this movie isn't burnt to a crisp with all the mess ups and needless changes it has. It's like... Are you even fans of the characters? This is about as true to the series as the Mario movie was to the games and yet everyone is acting like the best movie ever. It honestly boggles the mind for me. I truly and honestly don't get it.

I'm sorry but for me it does look like blind devotion. Like no matter what crap they put out, as long as you slap tmnt on it you'll all flock to it and make it sell like pancakes. I remember lots of posts back when we still thought they'd be aliens of people saying it doesn't matter how horrible the movie might be as long as it's out there in the public eyes. But why take a chance on something do horrible so that tmnt will be benched until someone else gets the rights?


Different people, different opinions.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Oooh, you mean, Leo will just slice the damn humvee clean in half?

i know this was sarcasm, but...yes please. Im a huge anime fan, and they do things like this all the time, Leo should have his moment in the spotlight with something like this.

[chrisdude]

If you guys are tired of the arguing, consider this statement from original post:

Originally Posted by Sighphi

With Leo landing and creating craters, Raph back-handing some one to space, his destruction of the Humvee, Mike with the rocket skateboard, and now Don flipping a truck with his bow... it's pretty obvious that any sort of logic has been thrown out the window.

That "any sort of logic" is exactly what Coola and I were discussing. We were so on topic, it's not even funny.

[IndigoErth]

@ Coola Yagami

I suppose I'm sort of a gray area. And doubt that I'm alone.

A lot of things I'm willing to let slide because this is just one film and aren't that big of a deal, to me.

Like you (I assume) I will be skipping the theater because the one part that is vital to me - appeal and recognizability of the Turtles - isn't there. I can't find a feeling as if it's actually them.


On topic... Really I could largely ignore the absurd anti-physics, even if I'd find it a little hypocritical after all the "we're making/want it as realistic as possible" chanting. Though if they'd seem a bit too super powered that's kind of annoying and possible loss of feeling a connection with characters that are normally a lot more on our level.