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[Powder]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

I was being sarcastic, you two.

And what i meant was, the line died. Not Neca died. Neca is very much around. But they just chose to give up on the TMNT brand. if they can secure the license the first time around, i don't see why they can't re-secure it.

There's only one reason and answer to that.... Either they're not selling enough or the sales doesn't warrant a continuation of the figure. Nothing cannot be solved with money. It's strictly business. You are gullible in thinking they really lost the license.

I don't think you know what sarcastic means. You made it plenty clear what you meant, too. Don't backpedal. & nobody said they lost the license, they just didn't have full rights to it, which greatly hindered their ability to sell. Re-securing it is a different matter entirely. While Funko, Kidrobot, Takara, Revoltech & others have it at their disposal, I somehow doubt NECA would get it again as I suspect there is bad blood between them & Playmates, who I suspect has some level of say in who gets what.

[Spidergreg]

I wasn't backpedalling. I said the line died cos sales weren't good and left it at that... I didn't want to have to explain any longer than that. But since u asked, i elaborated. They didn't think it's worth the trouble. So how am i backpedalling?

And why is it that they're giving up on this "gold mine" that you seem to keep wanting to suggest since sales were so good? It's a business decision, not lost of rights or license.

[Spidergreg]

You want to crap on 1990 movie turtles, i got more to crap on Neca. Who TF wants crackhead turtles and an April in a blue jumpsuit? They can't even get the colors right. At least playmates' CC turtles look like the movie turtles. They're just not detailed to your liking.

Yeah, i know what you're gonna rebut. Crackhead turtles are based off the comics.
Who f**king reads the comics anyway??? TMNT didn't take off 'cos the comics were popular. It became as big as it did because of the cartoon!!! No one can relate to a blue April. And you wonder why the line died. They lost the license, suuuuure.

[Powder]

Good GOD, you're dense. Are you not reading our posts at all? Is this a language barrier? I never said it was a "gold mine", nor did I imply that. We, more than once, said that they were not able to get their product into popular stores, toy stores, etc. because of Playmates, which cost them a LOT of sales & product awareness. They're not going to continue to pour money into a line that won't get the same access as the rest of their figures, they'd be taking a huge loss. That's not their fault, it's Playmates'. This is the last I'm going to say about it, as this a a CC thread, and you obviously don't pay attention anyway.

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

You want to crap on 1990 movie turtles, i got more to crap on Neca. Who TF wants crackhead turtles and an April in a blue jumpsuit? They can't even get the colors right. At least playmates' CC turtles look like the movie turtles. They're just not detailed to your liking.

Yeah, i know what you're gonna rebut. Crackhead turtles are based off the comics.
Who f**king reads the comics anyway??? TMNT didn't take off 'cos the comics were popular. It became as big as it did because of the cartoon!!! No one can relate to a blue April. and you wonder why the line died. They lost the license, suuuuure.

"You don't like the toys I like? Oh yeah? Well F**k you! I'm going to go completely off topic to try and ruffle your feathers because people not liking what I like is a personal insult!" That's what you just effectively stated, in different words, like a child.

They didn't get the colors right? What the hell? They're green, with red masks. 100% accurate to the ORIGINAL TURTLES. The source material!
Those comics, the current comics as well, they sell about 15,000 copies per month. Who reads them? Plenty of people, buddy. & yes, the TMNT took off because the comics were popular. Popular enough for a toy company to fund a toyline AND animated series off of them. Why else would they have dumped thousands of dollars into the property if it wasn't already popular? Jesus CHRIST. Nobody can relate to a blue April? What does that even mean?

[Discogod]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

You want to crap on 1990 movie turtles, i got more to crap on Neca. Who TF wants crackhead turtles and an April in a blue jumpsuit? They can't even get the colors right. At least playmates' CC turtles look like the movie turtles. They're just not detailed to your liking.

Yeah, i know what you're gonna rebut. Crackhead turtles are based off the comics.
Who f**king reads the comics anyway??? TMNT didn't take off 'cos the comics were popular. It became as big as it did because of the cartoon!!! No one can relate to a blue April. And you wonder why the line died. They lost the license, suuuuure.

Ah, I get it. You're just trolling, aren't you? That can be the only logical explanation, 'cause I'm sure nobody could be that stupid...

[snake]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

You want to crap on 1990 movie turtles, i got more to crap on Neca. Who TF wants crackhead turtles and an April in a blue jumpsuit? They can't even get the colors right. At least playmates' CC turtles look like the movie turtles. They're just not detailed to your liking.

Yeah, i know what you're gonna rebut. Crackhead turtles are based off the comics.
Who f**king reads the comics anyway??? TMNT didn't take off 'cos the comics were popular. It became as big as it did because of the cartoon!!! No one can relate to a blue April. And you wonder why the line died. They lost the license, suuuuure.

Well in the comics, April wore a blue jumpsuit. Lots of people read the mirage books, just look at the comic forum here, plus people are always asking to buy mirage stuff in the selling/buying forum.

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Powder

"You don't like the toys I like? Oh yeah? Well F**k you! I'm going to go completely off topic to try and ruffle your feathers because people not liking what I like is a personal insult!" That's what you just effectively stated, in different words, like a child.

Since when has Neca ever sold stuff outside of specialty stores? Not where i'm at. Show me a single Neca product from TRU's website, you gullible fool.

And nice to meet you too, pot.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Since when has Neca ever sold stuff outside of specialty stores? Not where i'm at. Show me a single Neca product from TRU's website, you gullible fool.

http://www.toysrus.com/search/index....igkw=neca&sr=1

7 pages worth take your pick...im going later too i can take an actual pic if you want

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by snake

Well in the comics, April wore a blue jumpsuit. Lots of people read the mirage books, just look at the comic forum here, plus people are always asking to buy mirage stuff in the selling/buying forum.

Hardcore TMNT fans. And yes, you can only find them in technodrome.
What's that you say? 15k people read the comics? The amount of people who enjoyed the cartoon and doesn't read the comics probably outnumber that by 1:1000000.

And more than half of those reading the comics probably only started reading because the cartoon ended.

[Discogod]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Since when has Neca ever sold stuff outside of specialty stores? Not where i'm at. Show me a single Neca product from TRU's website, you gullible fool.

And nice to meet you too, pot.

Maybe when you can back your rhetoric up with facts then you can start insulting people. Until then, maybe try doing your research before starting an argument. But then again, this really isn't an argument, is it? It's really just you throwing a tantrum because you've been called out for the uninformed, barely literate c*ntweasel that you really are.

How's about you go away for a while, brush up on your English comprehension skills, grow up a little, then we can try this again, eh? There's a good chap.

[snake]

Originally Posted by Discogod

Maybe when you can back your rhetoric up with facts then you can start insulting people. Until then, maybe try doing your research before starting an argument. But then again, this really isn't an argument, is it? It's really just you throwing a tantrum because you've been called out for the uninformed, barely literate c*ntweasel that you really are.

How's about you go away for a while, brush up on your English comprehension skills, grow up a little, then we can try this again, eh? There's a good chap.

C*ntweasel? That's a new one.

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Discogod

Maybe when you can back your rhetoric up with facts then you can start insulting people. Until then, maybe try doing your research before starting an argument. But then again, this really isn't an argument, is it? It's really just you throwing a tantrum because you've been called out for the uninformed, barely literate c*ntweasel that you really are.

How's about you go away for a while, brush up on your English comprehension skills, grow up a little, then we can try this again, eh? There's a good chap.

Can't win an argument so resort to personal insults, half the things you post can't even get through the filter. And you say i'm insulting. Why don't YOU come back when you actually have something to say?

[Discogod]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Can't win an argument so resort to personal insults, half the things you post can't even get through the filter. And you say i'm insulting. Why don't YOU come back when you actually have something to say?

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

[Spidergreg]

Originally Posted by Discogod

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone...

You're just sour Neca stopped producing turtles and now you're looking for someone else to fill your "realistic looking" turtle needs but fact is, playmates never made any realistic looking toys before. Not even the original 1990s movie turtles look realistic.

was it really a surprise it wasn't up to your standards?

[Discogod]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

You're just sour Neca stopped producing turtles and now you're looking for someone else to fill your "realistic looking" turtle needs but fact is, playmates never made any realistic looking toys before. Not even the original 1990s movie turtles look realistic.

was it really a surprise it wasn't up to your standards?

Actually, I'm pretty happy NECA stopped making TMNT figures - I made a fortune selling customs of the unreleased figures....

The original movie turtles figures look a hell of a lot better than the Classics - how is it that Playmates can manage to make highly detailed, fantastically sculpted characters in 1991 but by 2014, with all of the advances in toy manufacture, we get smooth, featureless sculpts devoid of any personality whatsoever?

[Bry]

Spidergreg - are you familiar with this situation?

I don’t know for sure what effect, if any, this has had on NECA’s TMNT line. But to my knowledge, NECA hasn’t solicited the NECA April, Shredder,and Foot ninjas we’ve seen prototypes for in Previews or anywhere else. Given NECA’s generally speedy progress on such things, it’s quite possible Playmates’ moving in on the Mirage-era TMNT turf has affected NECA’s plans.

Treat this with a huge grain of salt, but this thread over at the Technodrome forums claims NECA has cut off all communication with Mirage, and there’s a strong implication that the other NECA figures have been cancelled.

Roseangelo also wrote about it here.

It's a pretty disingenuous to suggest that the NECA line was cancelled because they "didn't sell". I recall them selling quite well, actually. They re-released them several times, with variants, and had very clear plans to continue the line until The Unpleasantness: rights issues with Mirage and Playmates trying to muscle NECA out of the game. Which is extra frustrating because Playmates never actually followed through with the Mirage-based merchandise and a great collector line was killed for no good reason.

I really wish they could have released that Shredder before it all fell apart, at least. Ah well.

Originally Posted by Discogod

The original movie turtles figures look a hell of a lot better than the Classics - how is it that Playmates can manage to make highly detailed, fantastically sculpted characters in 1991 but by 2014, with all of the advances in toy manufacture, we get smooth, featureless sculpts devoid of any personality whatsoever?

[Spidergreg]

Both of that are clearly are just speculations, neither of them can say for sure.

If playmates really had that much control, then why are Takara Tomy and Revoltech not having any issues?

The figures didn't sell well enough. The only people who would buy them are hardcore tmnt comic readers. I am a TMNT fan, i collect TMNT action figures but even i don't find it appealing. This is not rocket science. The general masses simply don't know who the 4 turtles with red bandanas are.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

If playmates really had that much control, then why are Takara Tomy and Revoltech not having any issues?

overseas have different rights in toy making

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

Both of that are clearly are just speculations, neither of them can say for sure.

Okay.

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

If playmates really had that much control, then why are Takara Tomy and Revoltech not having any issues?

Well, here's a theory. Takara Tomy and Revoltech are both Japanese companies. Playmates and NECA are both American companies. Merchandise rights are often different for companies producing and selling based out of foreign countries, and having merchandise/licensing rights in one specific country or region doesn't mean you have them worldwide.

Also, Playmates might not see a Japanese company producing toys sold out of Japan the same way they see an American company selling toys on their own "turf".

Originally Posted by Spidergreg

The figures didn't sell well enough. The only people who would buy them are hardcore tmnt comic readers. I am a TMNT fan, i collect TMNT action figures but even i don't find it appealing. This is not rocket science. The general masses simply don't know who the 4 turtles with red bandanas are.

This is all clearly just speculation. You can't say for sure.

(Sound familiar?)

[Spidergreg]

Yup. I'm not saying i know for sure too. But it's pretty obvious why a company would drop a line.

Bootlegs are cheaper than originals. And i wouldn't even buy bootlegged Neca turtles so what does that say?