Can Shredder perform martial arts with his Armor?

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Counter-Question: Was Shredder ever any less effective at fighting in any other version when he was NOT physically living inside of Megatron? Because I think this guy here is (over) compensating for something, with his rakes-for-hands and whatnot.


Less snarky, semi-serious reply: Anyone who's even worn a regular suit of armor can tell you that they're a bitch to move around in, are heavy as hell, and aren't exactly receptive to graceful movements, such as, I don't know, martial arts and stuff. This guy is wearing a suit of armor PLUS the entire surplus supply of Dave's Army/Navy Store strapped to it. Not only must it weigh about 700lbs, but again, if he so much as absent-mindedly goes to scratch an itch, he's gonna accidentally gut himself. I don't care how "It's just a movie and it's bad-ass-looking", it's the most impractical and over-cluttered costume design I think I've ever seen, and I hate it.


You know what it looks like? One of those MAD Magazine parodies from back in the day, when they'd make fun of TMNT and stuff, that Shredder design from the movie looks like something they'd draw to make fun of the character, not be like, "Oh, yeah, THIS is how he SHOULD look!"

I'unno, just a hot mess. I care less how "plausible" it is, but I do care how needlessly ugly it is. Which is very.

Well I never stated he was less effective, only that he has always been a more traditional fighter. So the question has no value on any of my points.

So is it a Mech suit or just armor? If it is just armor then your megatron comment was ridiculous to say the least. If it is a mech suit then it being heavy doesn't matter, as the suit will be the driving power for combat. So can a mech suit like the one Sachs is wearing not do any traditional martial arts moves? Block attacks? High kicks? Counters? Maybe a jump kick? If yes, may I get your arguments with evidence to back it up? Im all for changing my mind.

So your argument is based purely on your taste of design?

[graphic_content]

To answer the original thread question; In a word...

Yes.

[Artist]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

To answer the original thread question; In a word...

Yes.

Graphic, you are a bad a$$ mofo...

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by Leo656

'T'would explain much. Although, I"m fairly certain the characters in the movie do indeed have feet.

I dunno, Donnie seems to be rocking a fair few pouches and straps...

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Artist

Graphic, you are a bad a$$ mofo...

A compliment? For me? ::tips hat::

You sir, have my thanks.

[Midnight Mutant]

I'm just wondering how this wolverine-transformer-super shredder can even move!

If he does do a lot of martial arts, I just don't know how he will look natural in it. Unless he shreds (HA) some of his armor off before he fights. At least his cape man, it can't be light being made out of metal and crap.

I hope they don't zoom in during the fights so you don't know wtf is going on in the fight scenes with Shredder like Bay does in Transformers.

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by Midnight Mutant

I hope they don't zoom in during the fights so you don't know wtf is going on in the fight scenes with Shredder like Bay does in Transformers.

i HATE that technique. its supposed to be an 'immersive' experience, involving the audience in the fight, but really all it does it gives me a headache.

what kills me is that Paul Greengrass does that A LOT in the original Bourne Trilogy, which is damn shame considering how elaborate, and amazing that choreography is.

if they do this with the Turtles, it will break my heart. into pieces. pieces.

[TigerClaw]

Originally Posted by graphic_content

i HATE that technique. its supposed to be an 'immersive' experience, involving the audience in the fight, but really all it does it gives me a headache.

what kills me is that Paul Greengrass does that A LOT in the original Bourne Trilogy, which is damn shame considering how elaborate, and amazing that choreography is.

if they do this with the Turtles, it will break my heart. into pieces. pieces.

I hope not, Since the movie will have some really good martial artist involved for the fight scenes.

[MastahShredder]

Leo and Shredder's fight scene will just be a close zoom in filled with sparks.

Seriously though, that would be pretty cool if they did that as a part of it.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Artist

Well I never stated he was less effective, only that he has always been a more traditional fighter. So the question has no value on any of my points.

So is it a Mech suit or just armor? If it is just armor then your megatron comment was ridiculous to say the least. If it is a mech suit then it being heavy doesn't matter, as the suit will be the driving power for combat. So can a mech suit like the one Sachs is wearing not do any traditional martial arts moves? Block attacks? High kicks? Counters? Maybe a jump kick? If yes, may I get your arguments with evidence to back it up? Im all for changing my mind.

So your argument is based purely on your taste of design?

There's nothing "ridiculous" about any of it, champ. Megatron is what he resembles, so that's what I went with for a comparison. He sure as sh*t doesn't look like most of the "Shredders" I"ve ever seen.

I don't know, or care, if it's a mech suit, but if it is, that's just one more stupid and pointless choice made to "modernize" something that was perfectly fine beforehand. It doesn't NEED to be a mech suit. But, that is the only way that monstrosity could even move in the first place, so it probably is.

So, I guess my main objection is based on the design being stupid, and the rest on it being impractical? I don't know. There's nothing TO like about it, honestly, so I don't see why I should have to defend myself for not liking it. It's hideous. I'm sorry if you don't think so. But it is.

[MastahShredder]

We won't see this.



We'll probably get this..

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

at least they kept silver samurai asain

[Raven]

Every time I see something new involving this versions shredder I keep thinking of Bay's Megatron. I'm sure I'm not the only person who sees the resemblance, but his suit seems very impractical.

But that could easily change once we see the full functionally of the suit, it could be less about high flying kicks and more well...slicing?

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Leo656

There's nothing "ridiculous" about any of it, champ. Megatron is what he resembles, so that's what I went with for a comparison. He sure as sh*t doesn't look like most of the "Shredders" I"ve ever seen.

I don't know, or care, if it's a mech suit, but if it is, that's just one more stupid and pointless choice made to "modernize" something that was perfectly fine beforehand. It doesn't NEED to be a mech suit. But, that is the only way that monstrosity could even move in the first place, so it probably is.

So, I guess my main objection is based on the design being stupid, and the rest on it being impractical? I don't know. There's nothing TO like about it, honestly, so I don't see why I should have to defend myself for not liking it. It's hideous. I'm sorry if you don't think so. But it is.

Resemble - have qualities or features, especially those of appearance,
in common with (someone or something); look or seem like.

You - Was Shredder ever any less effective at fighting in any other version when he was NOT physically living inside of Megatron? Because I think this guy here is (over) compensating for something, with his rakes-for-hands and whatnot.

What I read was you stating he would not be any less effective if he did not have a suit that is a giant robot. So you were typing about looks? OR? As I stated, I never said shredder having the new armor would make him less or more effective, just that he is a more traditional fighter, and if he could use the armor (if a mech suit) as a traditional martial artist. Your attempt at humor was poor, and you never gave a real answer to the question.

If you don't care it is a mech suit, why reply to my post? You argued about it being heavy armor no one could fight or move in. If that is the case then yes it is stupid. If it is a mech suit then could it not work as a traditional
martial arts fighting suit? That is the question.

What makes a mech suit that can make you stronger, faster, and more agile impractical? You don't need to defend your opinion on why you don't like it. I never asked that question. So why bring up the case for you not liking it? I never did.

I asked specific questions. You gave me arguments that flopped.

[NLS]

I cant care any less what shredder looks like. As long as the movie is good.

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Artist

Resemble - have qualities or features, especially those of appearance,
in common with (someone or something); look or seem like.

You - Was Shredder ever any less effective at fighting in any other version when he was NOT physically living inside of Megatron? Because I think this guy here is (over) compensating for something, with his rakes-for-hands and whatnot.

What I read was you stating he would not be any less effective if he did not have a suit that is a giant robot. So you were typing about looks? OR? As I stated, I never said shredder having the new armor would make him less or more effective, just that he is a more traditional fighter, and if he could use the armor (if a mech suit) as a traditional martial artist. Your attempt at humor was poor, and you never gave a real answer to the question.

If you don't care it is a mech suit, why reply to my post? You argued about it being heavy armor no one could fight or move in. If that is the case then yes it is stupid. If it is a mech suit then could it not work as a traditional
martial arts fighting suit? That is the question.

What makes a mech suit that can make you stronger, faster, and more agile impractical? You don't need to defend your opinion on why you don't like it. I never asked that question. So why bring up the case for you not liking it? I never did.

I asked specific questions. You gave me arguments that flopped.

Go away, you're boring. Every new kid here has exactly three posts to earn my favor or at least entertain me. To the pit with you.

Also: Why are you so invested in it, anyways? It's a bad design from a (probably) bad movie. I'll pick on it for as long as it stays awful, which will be always. What do you care? I can list a thousand reasons I can't stand it, and you'll counter-argue until you lose interest. Nothing gained either way. I've been dealing with this all year long from people. All so defensive about this stupid friggin' movie. Yeesh.

[samxsteal]

Just saw the new trailer and There happens to be a guy who look suspiciously like Oroku saki from the nick toon HMMMMM wounder who that could be huh lol and also armored shredder fights like a boss i loved it

[graphic_content]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Just saw the new trailer and There happens to be a guy who look suspiciously like Oroku saki from the nick toon HMMMMM wounder who that could be huh lol and also armored shredder fights like a boss i loved it

Bro...you can't drop a statement like that and bounce. Details pls...and how did you see it?

[Artist]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Go away, you're boring. Every new kid here has exactly three posts to earn my favor or at least entertain me. To the pit with you.

Also: Why are you so invested in it, anyways? It's a bad design from a (probably) bad movie. I'll pick on it for as long as it stays awful, which will be always. What do you care? I can list a thousand reasons I can't stand it, and you'll counter-argue until you lose interest. Nothing gained either way. I've been dealing with this all year long from people. All so defensive about this stupid friggin' movie. Yeesh.

Thread = Can Shredder perform martial arts with his armor? So we shouldn't talk about Shredder performing martial arts in his armor? Wow...

I guess this new guy should just shut up, cause i'm so new. I am new and know nothing about nothing. My new posts mean nothing because the big bad old person said blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah blah

[Leo656]

Alrighty then. You sure are defensive about this awful friggin' movie.

"Will Shredder do martial arts?" Yes, it's a movie. "Is that costume design the biggest pile of cluster-f*ck ever put to film?" Absolutely it is. "Would anyone wearing that suit realistically be able to even move, let alone do martial arts?" Nope. "Will it require the absolute limit of CGI fakery to make the whole thing look even a tiny bit plausible?" You betcha.

There's the entire "discussion" in a nutshell. What else needs to be said about it?