Paramount Pictures @ Comic Con. 'TMNT' to be included?

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by Glados

He should come of as childish, not a creeper.

Which to be honest is how the trailers have made me feel about him, which is unfortunate. I mean come on, who doesn't usually like Mikey, even if he isn't your fave. This version so far though, no thanks; creepy-looking creeper. Maybe the movie as a whole will allow him to save his own rep a little, vs what the trailers are doing...


Fart joke... while at my age is just "bleh," I'm not surprised it's there. Given Nick's current programming they're eventually going to have a series that's just one big half hour fart joke anyhow. The billboard.. fine, giggle over it Mikey. At least Raph looks like he sighs/shakes his head in response.

The sexual comments though... As a woman in my 30s I can't help but look at that from the angle of being in April's position receiving unwanted, uninvited sexual comments from someone, let alone non-human people you're kind of afraid of, look like Mikey, and are way too young for you anyhow. As I said, IF Mikey is put in his place over it, fine, I can sorta forgive such lines. But in a social context it's distasteful that Hollywood likes to do this to female characters. Even Megan Fox.

Sure, it's "just teenagers acting like teenagers" IF we assume all teens act exactly the same. (Can't tell me some kids out there don't resent that notion.) And ok there's tv and internet, but this is also four non-humans who did not grow up around humans and instead of spending much of the time surrounded by other teens in high school and getting that strong influence they spent much of their whole lives involved in martial arts training, something that would naturally be instilling a lot of discipline and decent behavior as taught by Splinter...at least enough not act creepy to people.

Originally Posted by Vicky82

Now people are complaining that the turtles are too strong and it's probably because you want to see the turtles with some blood on them and have some injuries.

Nooo not in my case at least. I am perfectly fine with them escaping injury out of shear luck/skill. I'm already afraid that whatever the heck that thing is stuck to Leo's chest in the piece where he's getting April and Vern out of the truck... already afraid they're going to portray that as painful to get off of him and really don't want that to be the case. I can deal with them being stronger than usual, though I do feel it takes away a little from their usually relateable non-superhero quality.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

The sexual comments though... As a woman in my 30s I can't help but look at that from the angle of being in April's position receiving unwanted, uninvited sexual comments from someone, let alone non-human people you're kind of afraid of, look like Mikey, and are way too young for you anyhow. As I said, IF Mikey is put in his place over it, fine, I can sorta forgive such lines. But in a social context it's distasteful that Hollywood likes to do this to female characters. Even Megan Fox.

Sure, it's "just teenagers acting like teenagers" IF we assume all teens act exactly the same. (Can't tell me some kids out there don't resent that notion.) And ok there's tv and internet, but this is also four non-humans who did not grow up around humans and instead of spending much of the time surrounded by other teens in high school and getting that strong influence they spent much of their whole lives involved in martial arts training, something that would naturally be instilling a lot of discipline and decent behavior as taught by Splinter...at least enough not act creepy to people.

OK, a lot to address here.

1. You said yourself Hollywood does this to women in movies, so if they're growing up watching movies and TV shows, then they would assume this is how you react to real people. You said they don't have interaction with other high schoolers, right, which again proves they would have NO idea how to act around her. He has no shot at being with April, can't you just take it as a joke he's trying to hit on her?

2. 1 out of 4 of them are doing "fart humor" or "sexual humor" ONE out of FOUR. You're acting like the whole movie is going to be Mikey trying to molest April. If you saw the Behind the Scenes show on Nick, they had a part where Mikey says he's falling for April, and she just laughed it off. I think she figures out quickly they aren't bad, and Mikey in particular is silly.

3. "even Meghan Fox" You show disgust over Hollywood's treatment of women, then bash Meghan Fox as being some sort of lower level woman. She has been with the same guy since she's been doing movies, married him, has 2 or 3 kids with him, and has never done nudity, and maybe has never even done a sex scene in a movie. Why is she considered lower than other Hollywood actresses? Why do people get so offended at the things that are natural in life? Farts happen, it's life. Sex, and being attracted to women is natural, and happens in life. It's crazy to think these are the things people are crying about, and not the fact that it would appear the foot soldiers are doing mass shootings and murders all over NYC.

4. Sure it's just teenagers acting like teenagers if we assume all teenagers act this way. NO. ONE OUT OF FOUR is acting this way. He's always been the turtle with no filter, says silly things, he has NEVER interacted with a human being let alone a woman before, give it a rest already.

5. Non-Humans. Tell me if I'm wrong here, but the reason they're human like is because the mutagen combines the subject, and the last thing it touched. In the old story the kid drops them down the sewer, so they last had human contact, which is why they are human like. Same with splinter, he last touched a human so he becomes human like. It would be normal for them to be attracted to women, especially since they are 4 of a kind, and there are no female turtles, which is actually really sad.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by floydbanks7

OK, a lot to address here.

1. You said yourself Hollywood does this to women in movies, so if they're growing up watching movies and TV shows, then they would assume this is how you react to real people. You said they don't have interaction with other high schoolers, right, which again proves they would have NO idea how to act around her. He has no shot at being with April, can't you just take it as a joke he's trying to hit on her?

2. 1 out of 4 of them are doing "fart humor" or "sexual humor" ONE out of FOUR. You're acting like the whole movie is going to be Mikey trying to molest April. If you saw the Behind the Scenes show on Nick, they had a part where Mikey says he's falling for April, and she just laughed it off. I think she figures out quickly they aren't bad, and Mikey in particular is silly.

3. "even Meghan Fox" You show disgust over Hollywood's treatment of women, then bash Meghan Fox as being some sort of lower level woman. She has been with the same guy since she's been doing movies, married him, has 2 or 3 kids with him, and has never done nudity, and maybe has never even done a sex scene in a movie. Why is she considered lower than other Hollywood actresses? Why do people get so offended at the things that are natural in life? Farts happen, it's life. Sex, and being attracted to women is natural, and happens in life. It's crazy to think these are the things people are crying about, and not the fact that it would appear the foot soldiers are doing mass shootings and murders all over NYC.

4. Sure it's just teenagers acting like teenagers if we assume all teenagers act this way. NO. ONE OUT OF FOUR is acting this way. He's always been the turtle with no filter, says silly things, he has NEVER interacted with a human being let alone a woman before, give it a rest already.

5. Non-Humans. Tell me if I'm wrong here, but the reason they're human like is because the mutagen combines the subject, and the last thing it touched. In the old story the kid drops them down the sewer, so they last had human contact, which is why they are human like. Same with splinter, he last touched a human so he becomes human like. It would be normal for them to be attracted to women, especially since they are 4 of a kind, and there are no female turtles, which is actually really sad.

Dude, just because it happens doesn't mean people want to see it in the movies, and certainly not in a TMNT one. And again, Harry Potter were teenagers, who grew up watching TV, and being schooled by strict teachers at the same time, and they were never portrayed as obnoxious, why can't we expect the thing from the Turtles? I highly doubt they were ever like this in the comics. As a woman, I am offended that the Turtles are going this route, I should not have to feel uncomfortable for being a woman when watching a TMNT movie in the theater. Really, if this is what the creators of this movie think, then maybe all women should skip this movie, because it's clear they are only catering to the perverted male demographic. Shame, since the Turtles have been so friendly for both sexes to enjoy. I wonder how awkward this is going to be if a dad takes his little girl to see this movie, what with April butt shots, Turtles looking out the breasts of a Victoria Secret billboard, and an erection joke. Yep, this movie is not for the females.

[Autbot_Benz]

to be fair who would take their little girl to a PG-13 Turtles movie in the first place. Just because movies are being made based off characters that also have cartoons doesn't mean it will be appropriate for all ages watching the cartoons of said product.

Bay doesn't do female characters well that is common knowledge.

[Leolead]

I'm sorry floydbanks7 but i agree with IndigoErth

just so you know the "last organism they touched thing" was only from the Fred wolf TMNT cartoon, sure the've taken bits from it in the Nick series, but it's not the original story, so them being part human thing doesn't count, so tbh in reality i think if four Turtles were mutated into human-like forms they wouldn't show any attraction to humans whatsoever, only their own species, so Mikey seeing April and being attracted to April doesn't really make sense (assuming they aren't taking inspiration from the FW origin)

i'm not too fond of the Mikey sexual jokes either, it's unnecessary imo just because he's a teenager dooesn't give him a free pass to make these jokes Let alone being a Turtle, not all teenagers are like that.

[IndigoErth]

Ok, floyd, reading a little much into it. We're all free to our own views on these matters, don't see much reason to make it a debate.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

@LeoLead

I believe the IDW series goes by the last two things to touch origin as well. It's been a while since I read it though, and that one is co-written by Eastman himself.

@IndigoErth
Maybe I am reading too much into it, I'm just blown away that people are taking 2 LITTLE jokes and making them to be these mega offensive things, that are putting women down. They're jokes, you laugh or you don't. They're not trying to push an anti-woman agenda on the audience. People are getting way too serious these days, try not caring so much about unimportant things, you might be happier. And I'm not trying to attack you at all, I had read a few things over at IMDB that made me cringe, and thought it was a troll or two, but to read it here, kind of pushed me to comment on it.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

to be fair who would take their little girl to a PG-13 Turtles movie in the first place.

you have seen many PG-13 movies in theaters have you?


you'd be surprised by the number of kids (infants-10) in R movie

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

to be fair who would take their little girl to a PG-13 Turtles movie in the first place. Just because movies are being made based off characters that also have cartoons doesn't mean it will be appropriate for all ages watching the cartoons of said product.

Bay doesn't do female characters well that is common knowledge.

People assuming that the movie is going to be similar to the Nickelodeon cartoon, which is kid friendly, and just think the PG-13 is there because of the violence.

And I thought Bay wasn't doing this movie. Hmmmmm. Hey, I thought he did a great job with Scar Jo in The Island. He did pretty great with Racheal Taylor and Francis McDormand in the Transformers flicks, so he does have potential. But really, if Michael Bay really has far more stamp on this then expected, I am expecting Mikey to be caught reading Playboy, or who knows, maybe even watching a snippet of one of the Playboy videos Michael Bay actually shot himself. Oh gawd, if they go this route, I am seeing it already. The late night shows are going to start calling them Teenage Mutant Perverted Turtles.

[IndigoErth]

Ya know... Assuming they accept reptiles, Mikey would probably do very well at finding a girlfriend at a furries convention.



I'll... I'll go behave now.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

It's rated PG-13 for Sci Fi/Action Violence so can we please stop with these ludicrous fears of sexual anything in this movie? You can watch hundreds of people fighting, getting shot at, murdered, and injured, but get upset after hearing a shell tightening joke...my goodness this is crazy...

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Leolead

I'm sorry floydbanks7 but i agree with IndigoErth

just so you know the "last organism they touched thing" was only from the Fred wolf TMNT cartoon, sure the've taken bits from it in the Nick series, but it's not the original story, so them being part human thing doesn't count, so tbh in reality i think if four Turtles were mutated into human-like forms they wouldn't show any attraction to humans whatsoever, only their own species, so Mikey seeing April and being attracted to April doesn't really make sense (assuming they aren't taking inspiration from the FW origin)

i'm not too fond of the Mikey sexual jokes either, it's unnecessary imo just because he's a teenager dooesn't give him a free pass to make these jokes Let alone being a Turtle, not all teenagers are like that.

To be honest, I believe in the comics, Leonardo actually had a human girlfriend, so they have been shown to have attractions towards humans. They just were never vulgar about it like this movie seems to be showing.

[Galactus]

Originally Posted by floydbanks7

It's rated PG-13 for Sci Fi/Action Violence so can we please stop with these ludicrous fears of sexual anything in this movie? You can watch hundreds of people fighting, getting shot at, murdered, and injured, but get upset after hearing a shell tightening joke...my goodness this is crazy...

It's not that anyone really fears that there will be any turtle sex or anything but rather constant sexual jokes and burp and scat based humor is stupid and I would argue more what people think all teenagers act like as opposed to actually being what teenagers act like. (Also despite it's rating it seems heavily marketed towards young kids so I can understand why it may rub some people the wrong way as well as the "violence")

Bulletproof shells...this is one I had to really think about. Out of context it sounds bad, because they're making a major change to what we know. BUT, the foot soldiers all have guns, it would be ridiculous to think the whole movie the turtles would avoid all the bullets. This iteration of the turtles has them being created as weapons, so bulletproof shells sounds like something they could have been working on perfecting. Now, I am interested to see how they handle the Shredder fight, because if their shells are bulletproof, why not just let Shredder shoot all his blades and just block them w/ their shells? I'll just have to see for myself in 2 weeks.

Well then the question is why do the Foot have guns?

I know there is some precedence for it but not as a standard weapon. Why is the Foot now a military unit? It's a needless change that was the result of other needless changes that facilitates other needless changes.

Even putting that aside how does someone like Spider-Man avoid bullets or Batman? They're supposed be fast and agile. Making them super strong with invulnerable shell removes means all the action has to be over the top and that kind of stuff doesn't really suit TMNT.

[Xiewin]

With the exception of the 2003 series, I have always found TMNT pretty sexist in terms of how the women are treated and written. Especially in the 2012 show, Donnie's crush on April makes me sick to my stomach. He went from being my most favorite turtle in the show to my most disliked one. He's stalkish behavior annoyed the hell out of me. I honestly see no difference between this movie and the 2012 show when it comes to the turtles being attracted to female characters. They are both doing it wrong.

[terrorblade]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

With the exception of the 2003 series, I have always found TMNT pretty sexist in terms of how the women are treated and written. Especially in the 2012 show, Donnie's crush on April makes me sick to my stomach. He went from being my most favorite turtle in the show to my most disliked one. He's stalkish behavior annoyed the hell out of me. I honestly see no difference between this movie and the 2012 show when it comes to the turtles being attracted to female characters. They are both doing it wrong.

Having a crush is being sexist now?

[sgtfbomb]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

Not trying to be rude but this statement is fully of Irony. They act like real teenagers Being Teenagers them self, but you dont want them to be teenagers just kind of funny

Though I get what your saying And if it not for already seeing things like this in previous versions i might be more upset

Not trying to be rude ( ), but did you not read my whole post? I said the line itself seemed tame. I'm more bothered by the possibility of the film being held hostage by outrageous, over-the-top humor, the kind that that feels more suited for a Todd Phillips comedy than an action film, as it did with Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen and the first hour or so of Transformers: Dark of the Moon.

They're's no need to see characters spazzing on pot brownies, objects resembling humor anatomy, and goofballs wearing thongs in a Transformers film, much less a Ninja Turtles films, particularly a Ninja Turtles film with Nickelodeon's logo attached to the film.

I just don't feel that either franchise should feel as though a person were flipping between Saturday morning cartoons and an edited-for-TV airing of Harold & Kumar. However, once again, if that one line is the worse it gets, than that'll hardly be a problem.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by terrorblade

Having a crush is being sexist now?

No, having a crush is not sexist. I was referring to Donnie's obsessive behavior.

Honestly Mikey's adult conversation line doesn't bother me, but the, "She's so hot, I can feel my shell tightening" is just utterly annoying.

[Warhorse]

So, are we going to get a Turtle wax joke in this? Will it be purely innocent like in the OT and the 1990 movie, or is it going to be disturbing? That is, if we get one.

[terrorblade]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

No, having a crush is not sexist. I was referring to Donnie's obsessive behavior.

I have no idea what sexist means now, but you can say Donnie's "obsession" to April is sexist towards men because it only shows that men can't act logical when women are involved.

Honestly Mikey's adult conversation line doesn't bother me, but the, "She's so hot, I can feel my shell tightening" is just utterly annoying.

I don't care about that line either, not because it is sexist , I just don't find it funny. I'm sure they can make a better boner joke than that, let's see how they can improve that in the sequel.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by terrorblade

I have no idea what sexist means now, but you can say Donnie's "obsession" to April is sexist towards men because it only shows that men can't act logical when women are involved.

lol alright, touché.

I don't care about that line either, not because it is sexist , I just don't find it funny. I'm sure they can make a better boner joke than that, let's see how they can improve that in the sequel.

I thought the it was pretty funny, but the boner joke throws me off a bit. It's just such an cringe-worthy line.