Who the hell wanted Mondo Gecko back?

[Tazi]

I don't mind Mondo that much, I did not wanted him, but it doesn't bothers me either. I'm happy they removed the stupid hair from his original design. Yeah, I know, he was human, but still, it doesn't looked good, and his new nick design proves it, that he is better this way.

Originally Posted by Kevin G

Is someone going to bitch that Muckman is in the Nick series too?

I already did that a week ago.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PRD13

They put very little thought into the OT origin as far as logic goes, I have to agree. For the most part I couldn't stand that show. I wasn't aware mondo was even part of the OT- I am only familiar with him from the Archie series/mutanimals, where he was pretty cool. I think as a character he has a lot of potential.

You couldn't stand a good show? I also fail to see why you think the OT origin wasn't logical. It made sense for a cartoon .

[Metalhead 2.0]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.

1. He was either banished from Japan for treachery/murder or he fled Japan. He wouldn't have needed money as thousands of penniless, illegal immigrants and refugees make it into America every year.
2. He was homeless. He was either living in the sewers or scavenging for supplies.
3. He was rescuing animals from what appeared to be a dangerous situation. He didn't have gloves, nor the time to improvise.
4. The mutagen works by interlacing the subject's DNA with the trace amounts of DNA left by the last creature the subject touched BEFORE encountering the ooze. In Hamato's case it was a rat. For the turtles it was either Hamato or Chet, can't remember.
5. He didn't train them specifically to fight Shredder. He's a Ninja Jūhakkei Master, it wasn't just a fighting style for him, it was a way of life and something he would undoubtedly want to pass down to his "sons". They were "training" from the moment they encountered him.

[CyberCubed]

Splinter trained the Turtles for a few years I bet. It's not like Shredder met Krang right away.

[Papenbrook]

Some OT fans probably wanted Mondo Gecko to appear in the new TMNT series as fanservice. I think it will please them. However, I want the show to stand on its own, so I hope Ciro won't add too many OT characters.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Well it's mostly logical problems:

1. How did Hamato Yoshi make it NY without money?
2. Why crawl down a sewer instead of trying to get help?
3. Why would you touch glowing ooze with your bare hands?
4. If Hamato Yoshi touched the ooze at the same time as the turtles, why did he still turn into a rat?
5. When did he train the turtles? Either Shredder must have been sitting on the Technodrome for years or Splinter trained them in a day.

1. Maybe he just couldn't find a job?
2. Does that really matter in a kid's show? I don't think kids back in the 80s are really going to care about that.
3. Maybe because he didn't know at the time he'd mutate into a rat? I mean how was he suppose to know what it was?
4. Okay, I'll give you this one, since that still doesn't make sense.
5. It's never really stated how long. But considering how good a couple of fighters they were, it must have been more than a while.

No offense neato, but with the exception of #4, most of your "logical" points just seem like minor nitpicking, imo.

[Darthknuxward]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Ok so I'm not really one of the people who are mad that they're using too many elements from the Fred Wolf cartoon because there are some neat ideas like Mutagen Man and Metalhead that really never lived up to their potential. But why on earth bring back Mondo Gecko? He's an outdated 90's stereotype, a waste of imagination, he looks like, like...

Spoiler:

http://www.netbrawl.com/uploads/5312...e5e65479f2.gif

Yeah, like that and "that" was meant to satirise shallow ideas.

I wanted Mondo back! And I also want to see the Wingnut, Screwloose, Ray Fillet, Jagwar, Dreadmon, and Ninjara to return. I felt that although the Mutanimals had a great run in the comics, they got gypped in the cartoon. So yah bring on the gecko!

[Metalwolf]

For # 3, there are whole sections of old abandoned subways in New York that have been turned into 'communities' by the indigent and homeless. It's not a stretch he'd move into some part of the underground that wasn't inhabited.

[Leo656]

I just never got how he touched the Turtles last but then turned into a rat. They absolutely needed to do that scene better. The voice-over was in direct contrast to what you were actually being shown on screen.

The rest I just always figured was stuff they never bothered telling us. Not exactly huge holes in the story. That "last thing he touched was the rats" thing was a big "Oops", though.

I much, MUCH prefer "Yoshi became a rat-man" over "a rat learned ninjutsu in his cage", personally, but the way the OT did it was sloppy, if only for that one screw-up, which an extra two seconds of animation would have fixed.

And I miss Mondo's mullet. Didn't make sense, but I don't think turtles have sweat glands, either sooo...

[Mr Null]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Behold!

The Nick version of Mondo Gecko.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Bt2Lt3wCQAEZiSq.jpg:large

If this is legit. I think he looks great. And based on height, looks like he might be a kid instead of a teenager. But who knows.

Does the 317 - mean season 3 ep 17?

[sdp]

They're choosing a lot of mutants that while I like wouldn't be my priority. Now if they did something new and interesting with them I'd have no problem with them being used but for the most part they don't do anything new or interesting enough to warrant them being brought back before new characters or other mutants. I'd love to see Armaggon.

[PRD13]

I don't mean to say "the OT was bad", just that I didn't like it. It differed enough from the spirit/tone of the mirage comics to be off putting to me, I quickly lost interest in it. There are tons of great elements brought into play by the OT, I respect that is important to canon. Please, and I am being sincere, explain the following "for instances":
-why is Yoshi a penniless exile, after his disgrace? He is a very skilled and capable ninja.
-why does Yoshi turn into a rat? He touches the turtles and ooze, and nothing else happens in the lapse before he mutates.
- why are krang and shredder working together? How would that work out? Why would he willfully participate in an alien invasion?
- why does shredder have robots, as opposed to actual ninja followers? I understand the desire to have violent interaction and against humans it would be innapropriate in a kids show, but still, no explanation? In the new series at least this is explained away.

If there are logical answers I would appreciate hearing them. Like, really.

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by PRD13

I don't mean to say "the OT was bad", just that I didn't like it. It differed enough from the spirit/tone of the mirage comics to be off putting to me, I quickly lost interest in it. There are tons of great elements brought into play by the OT, I respect that is important to canon. Please, and I am being sincere, explain the following "for instances":
-why is Yoshi a penniless exile, after his disgrace? He is a very skilled and capable ninja.
-why does Yoshi turn into a rat? He touches the turtles and ooze, and nothing else happens in the lapse before he mutates.
- why are krang and shredder working together? How would that work out? Why would he willfully participate in an alien invasion?
- why does shredder have robots, as opposed to actual ninja followers? I understand the desire to have violent interaction and against humans it would be innapropriate in a kids show, but still, no explanation? In the new series at least this is explained away.

If there are logical answers I would appreciate hearing them. Like, really.

1. Yoshi was banned from the Foot Clan and since he likely lived there he was homeless and penniless. They said he fled to America.

2. It's pretty obvious Yoshi's narration and him touching the Turtles wasn't meant to be one and the same. He obviously was with the rats and the scene wasn't written the way it was shown.

3. Krang was banished to Earth. He had no army and no body. He obviously met Shredder and agreed to give him Dimension X technology if they worked together. Since both Shredder and Krang want world domination it's easy to see why.

4. The human Foot probably stayed in Japan after Saki went with Krang to the U.S.

[PRD13]

1. The issue here is not " this is what they said", the issue is that it is not logical for an English-speaking immigrant with greater than average intellect, discipline, dexterity, agility, and endurance to not be able to land some type of job of some kind, at all, even in the early 1970's. It makes sense that after mutation they hide in the sewers, but before? In my opinion they didn't put enough thought into it.

2. You say obvious, I say bogus- but I get your point here. This could just be sloppy production work. For the record, human splinter is a big thumbs up for the OT. I mean how does a rat learn to be a ninja?

3. Just Saying that they met, etc. Doesn't explain anything really. you are just extrapolating info, which is my problem in the first place. anyone can guess at the story here, and anyone can just take it for granted and accept it. Why didn't they explain it? Why didn't they think it was a story worth telling? Why didn't they put some thought or effort into it?

Just my thoughts, thank you for your time.

[neatoman]

Yeah the whole Shredder/Krang team-up has always seemed weird to me. It feels less like an unstoppable duo and more like an oddball supervillain team-up that is over in a single story. I think it would have made more sense if Baxter was the one to team-up with Krang, call me crazy but something tells me a scientist would be better suited for the job of making an android body and mutant henchmen rather than a ninja lord.

As for the Foot Robots, which sounds better? An army of loyal warriors or preprogrammed machines? Yeah sure, you can cut up robots in a kids show but thematically the robots leave less of an impression.
It bothers me a bit in the Nick cartoon as well, they recently stated that Shredder rebuilt the Foot from the ashes which sounds badass that he could get an army to join him but at point the humans had already been replaced. So when you think about it, he reduced the army he had built over the years to four freaks and a bunch of soulless machines.

I also don't get why they stopped thinking beyond the "we can gut robots" part and basically made the robots weaker and clumsier than human beings.
There's this scene in Turtles Forever where Karai is basically listing the errors Shredder/Krang did while the renovators correct them. Two of them being the weak robots and the unfulfilled potential to create countless mutants.

[PRD13]

I was OK with the robot foot ninja in the new show, until it became apparent that they were now the ONLY foot ninja. Instead of adding a little flavor, the writers just opted for a cop out. It goes hand in hand with dogpound and fishface being dumbed down, made less of a threat, just so tiger claw could seem more imposing by comparison when he was introduced.

As for mondo, he could be awesome, fun, and a cohort for Mikey; OR he could end up another Mary sue character like timothy/pulverizer or April. I think he has potential as long as they go with an origin along the lines of the Archie series, but he will probably just be another mutant of the week.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by PRD13

It goes hand in hand with dogpound and fishface being dumbed down, made less of a threat, just so tiger claw could seem more imposing by comparison when he was introduced.

I have to disagree on that. Neither Bradford or Xever seemed to have gotten dumbed down since they both got mutated, imo. It's not like they were turned into complete idiots.

[Prowler]

Mondo Gecko isn't exactly an unknown character. He was important in Archie. So I'm sure several people wanted him back.

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

To answer the original question: Obviously the head of the 2k12 series did.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

I have to disagree on that. Neither Bradford or Xever seemed to have gotten dumbed down since they both got mutated, imo. It's not like they were turned into complete idiots.

Maybe not 'dumbed down,' but significant nerfing. Plus they act a little too goofy and as comic relief, which often goes hand in hand with a significant nerf. How you can tell is that Tigerclaw is rarely goofy and as such feels like the most threatening.

Anyway, I don't think Mondo will be a Sue. I feel a lot better regard towards this version because it actually looks cute, instead of trying to press every annoyance button I have with it's appearance. A lot about the Archie comic Mondo made me want to punch it repeatedly in the face (same for OT Mondo) whereas this one makes me want to give it a big squeezing hug and go 'D'awww!" So I consider that a plus.