Turtles Forever Too

[saintsaucey]

Would you want to see a version of turtles forever in this series featuring these turtles, the 2007 movie turtles and animated versions of the 2014 movie turtles?

[CyberCubed]

They won't crossover with anyone other than the OT Turtles, maybe the 4kids ones if we're lucky.

[saintsaucey]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

They won't crossover with anyone other than the OT Turtles, maybe the 4kids ones if we're lucky.

How many of us shouted down the possibility of Bebop and Rocksteady too. Not saying it will happen just wondering if anyone wanted it.

[IndigoErth]

Eh I could take it or leave it. Although given how the 2003 guys seem to have largely regarded the original series guys as children they were forced to tolerate... I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing those tables turned when the 2014s would show up. (Note, I hope I've got me details straight since I've only seen it once and not really watched the 2003 series, yet.)

[saintsaucey]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Eh I could take it or leave it. Although given how the 2003 guys seem to have largely regarded the original series guys as children they were forced to tolerate... I can't say I wouldn't mind seeing those tables turned when the 2014s would show up. (Note, I hope I've got me details straight since I've only seen it once and not really watched the 2003 series, yet.)

Well the 2003 figures wouldn't be in it. It would be the 07 movie turtles and the 14 movie turtles.

[TurtleTitan97]

I doubt we'll see this show do any kind "Turtles Forever" crossover. Which is fine with me, because I sure don't want to see the 2014 Turtles show up in animated form. I'm fine with just cameos of the OT Turtles.

[Konchadunga]

The thing about doing a Turtles Forever scenario is that at some point, the movie needs to justify its existence as something other than a gimmick. A gimmick to bring viewers in is what crossovers are by default, but when it's handled well, they're more likely to stay. There needs to be some dynamic between all the characters that appeals to people; nobody should be there just to be there. I'd be fine (delighted, even) watching a fight scene or playing a video game where turtles from all over the multiverse team up against some army, but such shallow interaction can't sustain a movie.

Added to that, I don't really see how the characters of each of those universes you stated would interact. Besides the exclamation of "Hey; there's other universes like ours", there's little chance for a shock to any character. Each universe has a Shredder (or did), two are set in a New York that's no stranger to the supernatural, and the remaining version's New York is so mundane it wouldn't shock anybody.

[Netkeeper]

it's turtles forever TWO

[Powder]

It's you missing a reference.

[Netkeeper]

no i see the reference but it doesnt make any sense in the context

[Metalwolf]

No, I hate the idea of multiverses. I'd just rather respect the Nick toon in what the 80's toon is considered, another dimension and not universe.

Besides, I hated Turtles Forever and it's metaverse of doom. The only reason it's so loved is because it showed the 80s' Turtles. If it was the 2007 Turtles I bet people wouldn't even give a toss.

[Netkeeper]

that's because the 2007 turtles arent even interesting

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by saintsaucey

Well the 2003 figures wouldn't be in it. It would be the 07 movie turtles and the 14 movie turtles.

Why would the 07 movie be in it but not the 2k3? This doesn't make sense.

I am all for something that incorporates Mirage, 80's, 2k3 and Nick though.

[TurFlytle]

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

it's turtles forever TWO

Thank you grammar nazi.

[Netkeeper]

Originally Posted by TurFlytle

Thank you grammar nazi.

You're welcome!

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

No, I hate the idea of multiverses. I'd just rather respect the Nick toon in what the 80's toon is considered, another dimension and not universe.

Besides, I hated Turtles Forever and it's metaverse of doom. The only reason it's so loved is because it showed the 80s' Turtles. If it was the 2007 Turtles I bet people wouldn't even give a toss.

It's kind like that theory about parallel universes. Where in every decision you make another parallel world is created where you do other decisions. So the metaverse was saying every incarnation a new universe for the Turtles is created.

[ABrown]

Nickelodeon clearly has no interest in the 4Kids series. The only reason that Nick released Turtles Forever on dvd is because it featured the original cartoon's characters. But I could absolutely see more crossing over with the original cartoon in the future.

[Metalwolf]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

It's kind like that theory about parallel universes. Where in every decision you make another parallel world is created where you do other decisions. So the metaverse was saying every incarnation a new universe for the Turtles is created.

If they wanted a multiverse that's one thing. But what got to me was them trying to make a meta point to the audience that everything was all make believe in the end, that everything is all the result of some out of universe comic book authors. When I was younger I loved the show Sliders, which was this small group of researchers traveling to alternate universes and seeing how things 'could have been' if history hadn't developed as it did in this one. It did not beat you ever the head that it was fiction, it simply told a story and developed a world.

What Turtles Forever did that was the cardinal sin (besides crapping on the 80's cartoon)was take the imaginary world that was developed and tore it down in the attempt to put a meta spin on it. People would say "Oh but that world still exists!' It might technically 'exist,' but it no longer feels like it could. You could imagine the Sliders people existing in our world, traveling to alternate dimensions. You knew the show was fiction, but the fun was imagining what if. TMNT was the same way. You could imagine TMNT living in the sewers in New York in the same way, a sort of what if.

This movie undoes that feeling. Everything becomes a product of a comic book, both in-universe and out. It no longer is a living breathing universe that could feel like it was a part of our own, but a fragile 'alien' multiverse that can never have a connection, because it tells you it isn't real.

That is why I hate Turtles Forever and hope never to see 'Turtles Forever Two' come to pass or anything like it. I'm guessing people only like it because it shows the OT again 'on air,' but OT can be harkened back to without trying to destroy the very universe it's supposed to exist in.

[THGhost]

Originally Posted by Powder

It's you missing a reference.

Care to explain? Cos I don't get it, haven't seen Turtles Forever for a while.

Originally Posted by Netkeeper

it's turtles forever TWO

Thank you.

Originally Posted by saintsaucey

Well the 2003 figures wouldn't be in it. It would be the 07 movie turtles and the 14 movie turtles.

Oh God, no.

[Konchadunga]

Originally Posted by Metalwolf

If they wanted a multiverse that's one thing. But what got to me was them trying to make a meta point to the audience that everything was all make believe in the end, that everything is all the result of some out of universe comic book authors. When I was younger I loved the show Sliders, which was this small group of researchers traveling to alternate universes and seeing how things 'could have been' if history hadn't developed as it did in this one. It did not beat you ever the head that it was fiction, it simply told a story and developed a world.

What Turtles Forever did that was the cardinal sin (besides crapping on the 80's cartoon)was take the imaginary world that was developed and tore it down in the attempt to put a meta spin on it. People would say "Oh but that world still exists!' It might technically 'exist,' but it no longer feels like it could. You could imagine the Sliders people existing in our world, traveling to alternate dimensions. You knew the show was fiction, but the fun was imagining what if. TMNT was the same way. You could imagine TMNT living in the sewers in New York in the same way, a sort of what if.

This movie undoes that feeling. Everything becomes a product of a comic book, both in-universe and out. It no longer is a living breathing universe that could feel like it was a part of our own, but a fragile 'alien' multiverse that can never have a connection, because it tells you it isn't real.

That is why I hate Turtles Forever and hope never to see 'Turtles Forever Two' come to pass or anything like it. I'm guessing people only like it because it shows the OT again 'on air,' but OT can be harkened back to without trying to destroy the very universe it's supposed to exist in.

Agreed. And Ch'rel's plan shouldn't even have worked by fictional standards. Why would the Mirage Turtles dying destroy whole worlds? Rambo dies in the original book, and he still went on to become a multimedia icon. So did Sherlock Holmes.