Turns Out David Wise Created the TMNT

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Discogod

This is my favourite part:



Yeah, totally different - Mirage April was a strong, intelligent, character, not some bimbo damsel in distress...

Uh, what? Mirage April was useless most of the time. She didn't really ever do much of anything in Mirage actually.

[Mewzard]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

This is nothing new, though, folks. He's been saying these same things for years, even on the Shellshocked Podcast.

You know, I had almost forgotten he made those claims on the show...until this topic reminded me.

Their personalities and traits started to shine early on. Donatello was the tech guy from issue two. Leonardo was the leader pretty early as well (not as much perhaps as later, but things were building for it). If you had any doubts about who Raphael was in the first three issues, his one-shot certainly helped point out some of his good and bad sides. Michelangelo was probably the last to clearly show his side of things, but it still happened before the Turtles were driven out of New York.

Look, the guy can argue his work making the kid-friendly cartoon helped push the Franchise's popularity to new heights...but not that he created their personalities...or April. Changing April's career doesn't get one credit for her. <_<

I do find myself curious as to what Eastman and Laird will think of this...Well, I have an idea, but I mean exact words.

[CyberCubed]

I don't see why it matters. He did essentially create the most popular incarnations of them.

[Mewzard]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I don't see why it matters. He did essentially create the most popular incarnations of them.

Because he's stealing credit for aspects of the series he didn't create? If he wants to argue most popular incarnation creator? Fine.

But that doesn't give him the right to claim he made things that were established in the comic years before the cartoon was made.

[Drose18]

So david wise made tmnt ******?
Thanks a lot asshole

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by Mewzard

Because he's stealing credit for aspects of the series he didn't create? If he wants to argue most popular incarnation creator? Fine.

But that doesn't give him the right to claim he made things that were established in the comic years before the cartoon was made.

True, he should have said his incarnation. Still a lot of what he came up with became staples for the rest of the franchise, like Splinter being Hamato Yoshi, Krang, Bebop and rocksteady, various characters or storylines pulled from the OT, etc.

So much of Nick and IDW's series is pulled from David wise.

[TurtleTitan97]

Wow, who knew Wise was such a jerk.

[shuriken]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Congratulations, David, you created all of the elements I despise in TMNT. Bravo.

Someone sounds bitter.

[Tazi]

he is actually not that wise...



megalol

[Sanjuro]

I guess I'm not understanding the hatred here. He isn't off base here or anything, and he is one of the primary reasons the franchise is where it's at to this point in time.

[Bry]

Also there's this:

“The [original 'Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles'] five part miniseries ends with the Turtles having to battle an alien armada that is coming through a gigantic black hole dimensional portal being projected in the sky directly above New York City. This dimensional portal projector has created a giant opening in the sky, with a whole alien armada coming through it. That’s what the turtles are facing. The way to stop it is to shut down the machine that’s generating the portal. All I have to say is: you’re welcome Joss Whedon!”

Man, what is this dude talking about? That's not how it happened at all. The last episode of the miniseries was mostly about the Turtles fighting a giant Krang, with the aliens taking about two steps through the Technodrome's control room portal at the very end of the episode before being sucked right back through in when Donatello rewires the thing.

It's funny how he seems to consistently "mix up" his details in a way that benefits his own image though, huh?

[Sanjuro]

"There’s a sardonic humor to Wise that’s difficult to translate into print."

I think most of you are missing this point. Everything I've heard from him verbally, he is aware of the franchise's past and present, but he isn't a walking encyclopedia.

[Powder]

What point? He takes credit for the turtles' personalities & said they had none in the comics. That's all bull.

[Bry]

He's making specific claims that very provably aren't true, though. If he's joking, he should have clarified that. That doesn't seem to be the case.

[Mewzard]

Originally Posted by Sanjuro

I guess I'm not understanding the hatred here. He isn't off base here or anything, and he is one of the primary reasons the franchise is where it's at to this point in time.

He's off base in that he claimed credit for things created in the comic stories before he started his work on the series.

I have no issue for the man taking credit for what he did on the show or that the cartoon he worked on helped increase the popularity of the franchise.

But he kinda talks crap about the comics while also claiming he came up with personality traits that predate his work. Kinda messed up.

[Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by Bry

He's making specific claims that very provably aren't true, though. If he's joking, he should have clarified that. That doesn't seem to be the case.

He wasn't conducting the interview or writing the article, so it's common sense that wouldn't come across like that.

[Sanjuro]

Originally Posted by Powder

What point? He takes credit for the turtles' personalities & said they had none in the comics. That's all bull.

“In the comics, you can’t tell one turtle from another,” Wise recalls saying to Wolf. “Even when they’re speaking they have no distinctive voices or characterizations.” Wolf already had that covered: they were going to give them color-coded masks and belts engraved with their initials. Wise was not satisfied.


That's fairly accurate. To that point, visually and verbally the turtles did not have wildly different and vivid personalities.

[Dirty Blond]

LOL, all those characters are just archetypes, and even E&L did some borrowing here and there.

[Cryomancer]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

True, he should have said his incarnation. Still a lot of what he came up with became staples for the rest of the franchise, like Splinter being Hamato Yoshi, Krang, Bebop and rocksteady, various characters or storylines pulled from the OT, etc.

So much of Nick and IDW's series is pulled from David wise.

Pretty sure Bebop and Rocksteady were already invented by Playmates before the mini series writing began. The Visual History book certainly seems to state this, at least. Krang is obviously based on the Utroms. Splinter as Yoshi is the obvious route to go when you want to clean up the origin for a kid's show.

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Cryomancer

Pretty sure Bebop and Rocksteady were already invented by Playmates before the mini series writing began. The Visual History book certainly seems to state this, at least. Krang is obviously based on the Utroms. Splinter as Yoshi is the obvious route to go when you want to clean up the origin for a kid's show.

I believe Eastman and Laird designed them for the toyline. Wise probably gave them their personalities, so he can definitely claim credit for that. But it still counts as a collaboration.