Was Eric Sachs originally meant to be The Shredder?

[Leolead]

It's blantly obvious, I could have sworn William fitchner, said he was the Shredder at least multiple times.

I'm sorry but something didn't feel right.. every scene we got with Oroku, was filmed in the same area, maybe that's what they were reshooting.. it's even more obvious he was meant to be the Shredder, Especially the scene were he's wearing those Exo-Tony stark under suits (you know.. the kind you wear under a mech suit)

bottom line is, I think they backed out because the negative reaction.

[joefsas]

Originally Posted by Leolead

bottom line is, I think they backed out because the negative reaction.

Pretty much. But will they ever admit it?

[Prowler]

It is possible but I find it hard to believe that's actually what happened. One has to wonder what gave them the idea that making people believe that Shredder was gonna be white and renamed Eric Sachs/Colonel Schrader was a good marketing ploy. Although, it's only been confirmed a couple of weeks or so before the movie hit the theaters that Shredder was in fact Japanese, am I mistaken?

Some say the aliens angle was just a rumor taken out of context as well.This movie's development was an 'efing mess.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

i wanna know when Sachs became Sacks

[Powder]

There is NO chance he wasn't. It's soooooo clear he was gonna be Shredder. I'd bet on it.

[tommyday]

I was just reading an article on Topless Robot about it.

http://www.toplessrobot.com/2014/08/..._white_guy.php

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by Powder

There is NO chance he wasn't. It's soooooo clear he was gonna be Shredder. I'd bet on it.

It's not even debatable. It's a fact.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

It's not even debatable. It's a fact.

it really is..interviews with Will himself confirm it..dont even let me start on the editing of the movie to avoid showing who actually is in the suit

[snooz]

I am one of the people who enjoyed this movie, and I was willing to accept the new version of Shredder. After seeing the movie, I don't understand how anyone can really tell themselves they believe that Shredder wasn't a last minute change.

I wish they had stuck with what they had, rather than trying to please people who will never be happy. It did seem quite obvious to me that Sacks was originally Shredder. The change seemed to create a massive disconnect between Shredder and the rest of the characters. It is unfortunate. And on top of that, with Sacks no longer being Shredder, his character does seem a bit unnecessary. They tied it all in together in a reasonable fashion, but they should have just left him as Shredder.

There was no 'backlash' by the fans with this movie, and there would not have been one had they left their story alone. I've said many times before on this board, all of the hardcore fans around here need to realize that they are an extreme minority. Once upon a time, TMNT was one of the biggest brands in the world. All of the people who watched it back in the late 80's and early 90's are adults now, and most haven't watched anything TMNT related since that time. They will still go see this movie (they came out in strong numbers this past weekend), they don't give a **** if Shredder is Oroku Saki. If you survey'd the full theatres I would be willing to bet that 90% of the audience couldn't name Saki or Hamato Yoshi.

It's too bad, I would love a more traditional TMNT movie but some people need to get over this nonsense. It is almost certainly never going to happen, because TMNT is for CHILDREN. Perhaps the comic was a little more mature, but guess what... If it had never been turned into a cartoon, there is very little chance there would have ever been a TMNT movie. It would simply be an obscure comic book from the 80's. The comic is the original, but the silly cartoon is responsible for the worldwide success of TMNT.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

I think he was, and now we're left with a totally useless and redundant character in the form of Harry Sacks- er, I mean, Eric Sachs.

[Anton Chigurh]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

I think he was, and now we're left with a totally useless and redundant character in the form of Harry Sacks- er, I mean, Eric Sachs.

I agree but hopefully they could build off of it, like people have stated on here, like him become the Rat-king.

[Xav]

Originally Posted by Prowler

It is possible but I find it hard to believe that's actually what happened. One has to wonder what gave them the idea that making people believe that Shredder was gonna be white and renamed Eric Sachs/Colonel Schrader was a good marketing ploy. Although, it's only been confirmed a couple of weeks or so before the movie hit the theaters that Shredder was in fact Japanese, am I mistaken?

Some say the aliens angle was just a rumor taken out of context as well.This movie's development was an 'efing mess.

If it really was a marketing ploy like they claim than why the hell is Eric Sacks the Shredder in the video game than?

The alien angle wasn't a rumor taken out of context. We literally saw the script where they were aliens.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by snooz

I am one of the people who enjoyed this movie, and I was willing to accept the new version of Shredder. After seeing the movie, I don't understand how anyone can really tell themselves they believe that Shredder wasn't a last minute change.

I wish they had stuck with what they had, rather than trying to please people who will never be happy. It did seem quite obvious to me that Sacks was originally Shredder. The change seemed to create a massive disconnect between Shredder and the rest of the characters. It is unfortunate. And on top of that, with Sacks no longer being Shredder, his character does seem a bit unnecessary. They tied it all in together in a reasonable fashion, but they should have just left him as Shredder.

There was no 'backlash' by the fans with this movie, and there would not have been one had they left their story alone. I've said many times before on this board, all of the hardcore fans around here need to realize that they are an extreme minority. Once upon a time, TMNT was one of the biggest brands in the world. All of the people who watched it back in the late 80's and early 90's are adults now, and most haven't watched anything TMNT related since that time. They will still go see this movie (they came out in strong numbers this past weekend), they don't give a **** if Shredder is Oroku Saki. If you survey'd the full theatres I would be willing to bet that 90% of the audience couldn't name Saki or Hamato Yoshi.

It's too bad, I would love a more traditional TMNT movie but some people need to get over this nonsense. It is almost certainly never going to happen, because TMNT is for CHILDREN. Perhaps the comic was a little more mature, but guess what... If it had never been turned into a cartoon, there is very little chance there would have ever been a TMNT movie. It would simply be an obscure comic book from the 80's. The comic is the original, but the silly cartoon is responsible for the worldwide success of TMNT.

You're entitled to your opinion.... but why, if you consider yourself any kind of TMNT fan, would want all of these needless changes to make a movie about them good? Have you that little faith in it? Perhaps you're into the wrong series and TMNT isn't really your thing.


Yes, TMNT was childish and silly.... though what exactly about Shredder being asian from the get-go and the fued between Shredder and Splinter made the old series childish? Hell, the fued between the Shredder and Splinter drives the series (in the comics even after Shredder died) so why take that core element out? Might as well have Bruce's parents survive and make him become Batman for the hell of it.

And if the movie-goers don't know who Saki and Yoshi are.... it's the damn movie's job to do so, just like the movies introduced people to SHIELD, Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, and the Guardians of the Galaxy. There are people that still would have never heard of Bane because he was never in the Adam West show, that now know him because of the movie.

If the movie was messed up because they were forced to shoe-horn in extra scene of asian shredhead, then it's their own fault for screwing something most every tmnt fan knew knew so drastically. It's almost like having the Halle Berry Catwoman cram in some random scene saying her name is Selina and lived in Gotham, and have a random Bat cameo where you just see a shadow, in a weak attempt to tie it into the comics better... it would still suck due to how the rest of the movie was.

Even without the forced last minute scenes, the rest of the movie woulda been horrible anyway.

[Leolead]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

You're entitled to your opinion.... but why, if you consider yourself any kind of TMNT fan, would want all of these needless changes to make a movie about them good? Have you that little faith in it? Perhaps you're into the wrong series and TMNT isn't really your thing.


Yes, TMNT was childish and silly.... though what exactly about Shredder being asian from the get-go and the fued between Shredder and Splinter made the old series childish? Hell, the fued between the Shredder and Splinter drives the series (in the comics even after Shredder died) so why take that core element out? Might as well have Bruce's parents survive and make him become Batman for the hell of it.

And if the movie-goers don't know who Saki and Yoshi are.... it's the damn movie's job to do so, just like the movies introduced people to SHIELD, Steve Rogers, Tony Stark, and the Guardians of the Galaxy. There are people that still would have never heard of Bane because he was never in the Adam West show, that now know him because of the movie.

If the movie was messed up because they were forced to shoe-horn in extra scene of asian shredhead, then it's their own fault for screwing something most every tmnt fan knew knew so drastically. It's almost like having the Halle Berry Catwoman cram in some random scene saying her name is Selina and lived in Gotham, and have a random Bat cameo where you just see a shadow, in a weak attempt to tie it into the comics better... it would still suck due to how the rest of the movie was.

Even without the forced last minute scenes, the rest of the movie woulda been horrible anyway.

What? so if he was a TMNT purist, and wasted all his time on this forum even though he hated the movie, would that make him a true fan?

that does not define if your a true fan or not

[Ninturtle]

I believe wiliam fichner voices shredder in the game

[turtle1237]

Might was well be, since Sachs was pretty much the main villain.
Shredder didn't really do much expect fight the turtles.

Now had Baxter Stockman(Joke here) put on the helmet, and the spikes and became Shredder in the movie, I would have a hard time enjoying the movie. You cant make change for change stake. We all know who Shredder is suppose to be, a ninja underground God Father from Japan. If he was some geeky science dude, I would never had accepted it myself. I still enjoy the movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leolead

What? so if he was a TMNT purist, and wasted all his time on this forum even though he hated the movie, would that make him a true fan?

that does not define if your a true fan or not

I'm not saying he is or is not a true fan. I'm just wondering what makes him a fan if he has so little faith in the thing he's a fan of.

It's like me saying, I'm a huge fan of Iron Man. But I would feel if they ever made a movie with him, he should be more middle class income, not a smartass ladies man, and like, instead of wearing a metal suit, should like... just take his brain out and put it inside a robot... that's the only way such a movie can work, and I'm the biggest fan.

No.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by turtle1237

Might was well be, since Sachs was pretty much the main villain.
Shredder didn't really do much expect fight the turtles.

Now had Baxter Stockman(Joke here) put on the helmet, and the spikes and became Shredder in the movie, I would have a hard time enjoying the movie. You cant make change for change stake. We all know who Shredder is suppose to be, a ninja underground God Father from Japan. If he was some geeky science dude, I would never had accepted it myself. I still enjoy the movie.

Shredder seemed more like Sach's hired muscle if you ask me...

[turtle1237]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Shredder seemed more like Sach's hired muscle if you ask me...

Pretty much, yeah Shredder in lines may seem like the master, but Sach did created the plan and pretty much pull the strings. Shredder was pretty much just there for the ride.

Other major problem was the Shredder's defeat. I can lived with Splinter taking out Shredder in the first movie, it was amazing to see, Splinter coming in and saving his sons, Shredder's own ego of taking the Turtles down with him in the 2nd film was great to see. The Turtles were smarter than Shredder here, were Shredder pretty much lost his mind and sense after the first movie defeat imo.

But in in the 2014 who takes out Shredder? Leo? Don? Ralph? Mickey? Even Splinter? Nope, April O'Neil. I loved April as much as the next person, but she should not have been the person to take down Shredder. Shredder I think will never let that one be lived down.

[sdp]

This thread should be "Would Sachs have been a more interesting character and/or made more sense to the plot if he had been Shredder?"

Now what do you guys think?