Batman V. Superman: Dawn Of Justice

[TigerClaw]

How The Batman v Superman SDCC Teaser Should Have Ended

[Whatswiththeheadbands?]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

How The Batman v Superman SDCC Teaser Should Have Ended

Brilliant.

[Leo656]

Some more set photos of Cavill in the new Superman costume...

http://supermanhomepage.com/news.php?readmore=15412

Really glad they fixed the colors, the brighter blues and reds look much, much better. As far as colors go, this may be the best-looking Superman costume we've seen yet, although somehow the redesigned "belt" details look worse to me than before. It could just be how the "buckle" part is oddly square, I'unno. Still looks "incomplete" without the trunks, but it's better than last time, for sure.

Can't wait until we have some set photos of Batfleck in costume. Should be any time now. A ton of stuff is still up in the air, but it's nice to know at least the movie will look terrific.

[MikeandRaph87]

Should an administrator change the title of the thread to March 25th,2016?

[Leo656]

Actually, I'm all in favor of simply renaming it after the movie itself by this point, since it's the only SvB thread and we're discussing all of it, not just the release date. Might as well just call it the "Superman V. Batman: Dawn of Justice Thread", in my opinion.

[Slade]

Yeah, might as well take out everything from pushed on and make it Dawn of Justice.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Might as well call it Justice League origins thread.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Am I the only one who really isn't interested in this film? I mean, of course...I'll probably go see it and while we're ways away of getting anything clip wise to latch on to, I just don't have a lot of confidence in this film or my own personal hype for it.

Of course, I'll freely admit that I have sour grapes as I thought Man of Steel was not a very good movie and The Dark Knight Rises thoroughly disappointed me so I feel a little burnt out in that regard for these characters. I know it's a new take and something we've never seen before on film but basically adding in all of these Justice League characters in a movie that should've focused around the notion of Superman learning the repercussions of killing Zod in the first film now has become "Batman and His Buddies: the Movie."

I get it though. MoS didn't knock things out of the park box office wise, so now they want to go full Justice League. I get it.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you guys think they're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing it in March? I know they want this thing to be a slam dunk and while it could make for an interesting market test to release it in such an early Spring area....they might not be getting the full audience they want for a big movie like this. To that argument you could say, "well they'll release the full Justice League movie in the summer"....but movie franchises aren't and shouldn't be guaranteed.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Am I the only one who really isn't interested in this film? I mean, of course...I'll probably go see it and while we're ways away of getting anything clip wise to latch on to, I just don't have a lot of confidence in this film or my own personal hype for it.

Of course, I'll freely admit that I have sour grapes as I thought Man of Steel was not a very good movie and The Dark Knight Rises thoroughly disappointed me so I feel a little burnt out in that regard for these characters. I know it's a new take and something we've never seen before on film but basically adding in all of these Justice League characters in a movie that should've focused around the notion of Superman learning the repercussions of killing Zod in the first film now has become "Batman and His Buddies: the Movie."

I get it though. MoS didn't knock things out of the park box office wise, so now they want to go full Justice League. I get it.

I've mentioned this in another thread, but do you guys think they're shooting themselves in the foot by releasing it in March? I know they want this thing to be a slam dunk and while it could make for an interesting market test to release it in such an early Spring area....they might not be getting the full audience they want for a big movie like this. To that argument you could say, "well they'll release the full Justice League movie in the summer"....but movie franchises aren't and shouldn't be guaranteed.

This is exactly how I feel. It's obvious that Warner Bros. & DC wants to cash in on the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but are forgetting why it worked.

[Sumac]

This is exactly how I feel. It's obvious that Warner Bros. & DC wants to cash in on the success of the Marvel Cinematic Universe, but are forgetting why it worked.

Precisely my feelings sbout the issue.
It's like when it comes to non-Batman movies, WB loses it's head.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Sumac

Precisely my feelings sbout the issue.
It's like when it comes to non-Batman movies, WB loses it's head.

They seem to be making it up as they go along.

[Sumac]

They seem to be making it up as they go along.

And that's kind of bad idea, if you plan to have a long-running series.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Sumac

And that's kind of bad idea, if you plan to have a long-running series.

When Disney bought Marvel, they let Marvel Be Marvel. DC could really use a DC Studios run by people who actually work for DC make these movies. Or better yet, they should stop rushing to catch up with the competition, and come up with a plan to lead into Justice League. But what do I know? Who am I to disagree with the marketing GENUISES at WB .

[Leo656]

I'm honestly not too worried about it. For one thing, Marvel's "Avengers" success honestly didn't have everything to do with the fact they put out a half dozen other movies first, because only three of those movies - "Iron Man", "Thor", and "Captain America" - were essential viewing as far as "getting into" things leading up to Avengers, and I'd go so far as to say some of the films, like "Iron Man 2", were almost completely extraneous and unnecessary. It worked out great for Marvel because they got to drop a few more Easter Eggs, get a little more buzz going, and they obviously made a lot of money by doing those others, but they didn't need to take so long or do so many movies along the way. "Avengers" wasn't as good as it was specifically because they "took their time", it was simply because the preceding movies were really good on their own and people wanted to see more of the characters. It's conceivable that it could have turned out just as well if the whole thing had two years or so shaved off of the build-up. DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense; now, post-"Avengers", it makes sense. The reason they never did JLA before wasn't because they didn't know how, it's because they didn't want to take the risk. Now, the risk is minimal; the more heroes in a movie, the more money it makes. They've had a ton of scripts sitting in a drawer for years now. They can get away with "rushing" it because a lot of the groundwork's already been done, years ago, all they gotta do is film it now. It's actually kind of the opposite of "making it up as they go along".

I'unno, I think it'll be fine. I know a lot of people don't like Snyder in general and that'll probably drag it down a little bit, but if nothing else the guy does his research and know how to do "big" stories on screen. And I'm not convinced it's going to be "crammed" until I see all these other characters in costume or are confirmed to be more than just super-brief cameos or teasers. Don't get me wrong, they're trying to do a lot all at once, but it's not a guarantee that they're either rushing or cramming it. It's entirely possible some of these characters may only have a minute of screen time for all we know, just to show they exist before they get the full treatment in JLA.

This is a case where I understand people being cynical, but unlike some case I actually like enough of what I've seen from the people in charge to have a decent amount of faith in the project. I really went into "Man of Steel" wanting to hate it, and I didn't, so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt... for now.

[ObiWanFan4life]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I'm honestly not too worried about it. For one thing, Marvel's "Avengers" success honestly didn't have everything to do with the fact they put out a half dozen other movies first, because only three of those movies - "Iron Man", "Thor", and "Captain America" - were essential viewing as far as "getting into" thing sleading up to Avengers, and I'd go so far as to say some of the films, like "Iron Man 2", were almost completely extraneous and unnecessary. It worked out great for Marvel because they got to drop a few more Easter Eggs, get a little more buzz going, and they obviously made a lot of money by doing those others, but they didn't need to take so long or do so many movies along the way. "Avengers" wasn't as good as it was specifically because they "took their time", it was simply because the preceding movies were really good on their own and people wanted to see more of the characters. It's conceivable that it could have turned out just as well if the whole thing had two years or so shaved off of the build-up. DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense; now, post-"Avengers", it makes sense. The reason they never did JLA before wasn't because they didn't know how, it's because they didn't want to take the risk. Now, the risk is minimal; the more heroes in a movie, the more money it makes. They've had a ton of scripts sitting in a drawer for years now. They can get away with "rushing" it because a lot of the groundwork's already been done, years ago, all they gotta do is film it now. It's actually kind of the opposite of "making it up as they go along".

I'unno, I think it'll be fine. I know a lot of people don't like Snyder in general and that'll probably drag it down a little bit, but if nothing else the guy does his research and know how to do "big" stories on screen. And I'm not convinced it's going to be "crammed" until I see all these other characters in costume or are confirmed to be more than just super-brief cameos or teasers. Don't get me wrong, they're trying to do a lot all at once, but it's not a guarantee that they're either rushing or cramming it. It's entirely possible some of these characters may only have a minute of screen time for all we know, just to show they exist before they get the full treatment in JLA.

This is a case where I understand people being cynical, but unlike some case I actually like enough of what I've seen from the people in charge to have a decent amount of faith in the project. I really went into "Man of Steel" wanting to hate it, and I didn't, so I'll give 'em the benefit of the doubt... for now.

All good points, all of I agree with. But what makes this frustrating is that they can make a Justice League movie and a DCU that could rival Marvel's. They've done it before with their animated stuff. Just get Paul Dini, get Bruce Timm, get SOMEBODY who knows how to bring these characters to the big screen in a way that's fun and entertaining.

[Slade]

I could be like samx and defend this movie with my life...just cus I LOVE Superman. I wouldn't though. While I will say I do think this movie will kill it at the box office, it may not be good. I actually have hopes and do think it will be alright though.

[Sumac]

DC could really use a DC Studios run by people who actually work for DC make these movies. Or better yet, they should stop rushing to catch up with the competition, and come up with a plan to lead into Justice League.

Exactly.

DC/WB isn't necessarily "wrong" because they want to get the whole thing done a little faster.

It's not necessarily wrong, but the way they doing it, seemingly on the fly changing things, is rather questionable. It's like in order to catch up to Marvel they mindlessly go forward, without strict plan.
MCU was a success, because they have created a plan, created foundation and slowly and deliberately made they plan come to life and voila. WB looks like they want just toss everything they have in a single movie and see if that be able to fly.

Furthermore, they've actually been planning a Justice League movie since way, way before Marvel even thought of building their Avengers film universe, so the idea's been on the table for a while. It's not like they're literally throwing it all together on the fly. It's just that before, it didn't make sense;

Continuation of Superman was in the works for almost 20 years and how it turned out?
I mean, sitting on the idea for the movie for several years and realizing it, are two different things.

I don't like Snyder. I think, much like Bay, he is too much in love with his visual presentation, which makes everything else take a backseat - characters, story, atmosphere. Of couse, since Goyer seemingly not involved with script there is chance, that it will be better, than his usual productions, but I am afraid without some sort of restraining, it can turn out much like Watchmen, where characters and story were trumpled by picture.

[sdp]

DC is taking a different route than Marvel, instead of rushing out 2 origin films to make the team-up like Marvel did with the first Thor/Caps movie. DC is taking the approach of having a "team up" movie and then the JL movie. If DC had done origin movies people would also be complaining that they are ripping off Marvel.

Yeah when they saw how much money Avengers made they kind of rushed for JL and Batman VS Superman but it's not like the movie hadn't been in development hell for over a decade, they just actually started working on it. Superman will eventually get his own sequel, this is a team up movie and it should be fun. We don't need origin films for Batman, we've seen it before, nor do we need one for Wonder Woman. I think that is a very difficult film to make that would go well with the audiences. The other characters like Cyborg and Aquaman will get a glorified cameo at the most.

I'm pretty exited for DC's plans, I was mad at first that the MoS sequel became Batman VS Superman but when I understood that it was more of a crossover movie and not a MoS sequel I became ok with it.

As far as what I hope to see in the upcoming movies? Hope Green Lantern the movie is in continuity. The movie has problems but it sets up the corps pretty well. You can have Hal Jordan being reprised by Ryan Reynolds or have Jon Stewart in and just say Hal went to another sector either is fine. Have The Flash and Green Lantern from the TV shows, Arrow is one of the best DC live action stories ever, and if The Flash is anything like it I don't want a separate continuity when the shows are doing such a great job or any "Bat-embargo" thing going on like with JLU.

[Slade]

That Arrow and Flash won't be in it. They keep the tv and film versions seperate. Just like there was never a Batman/Bruce Wayne in Smallville.


I know people say they get tired of origin stories, but I actually never have agreed with that. Yes, I know Nolan's films should be fresh on people's minds, but this isn't going to be Nolan's Batman. Even with the turtles. People bitched that they didn't want an origin cus everybody knows it. Well, not everybody does.

That's why I'm intrigued by this new Batman a little. He's been at it for some years, he has all these stories that we won't have seen yet. I want to see them. I want to see this Bruce become Batman. Not saying it needs to be in this film, but it needs to happen.


Anybody remember the bilboard in I am Legend? I always wondered if that film was supposed to actually come out in 2012 or whatever year it said.

[Sumac]

Yeah when they saw how much money Avengers made they kind of rushed for JL and Batman VS Superman but it's not like the movie hadn't been in development hell for over a decade, they just actually started working on it.

Once again, being "in development" and actually being worked on, are two different hings. It doesn't matter how long studio has been sitting on the script and throwing random concepts around, it's the actual process that matters. Partially, because final product potentially could have nothing to do with whatever plans studio had decades ago.

nor do we need one for Wonder Woman

Sure, because everyone knows who she is. Not.
She is not Batman, whose origins known to every child and their dog. And there are actually several versions of her origins around. If DC truly want to capitalize on their stable, movie about WW should be one of the most prominent projects in the future.
Besides, considering that WW is one of the (supposedly) biggest heroes in the world and arguably the most popular (well known) female superhero leaving her without movie, would be rather strange. And can potentially create infortunate implications.
And personally I'd like to see how DC would approach such task.

Hope Green Lantern the movie is in continuity.

Nope.

Anybody remember the bilboard in I am Legend? I always wondered if that film was supposed to actually come out in 2012 or whatever year it said.

Yes, it was actually a plan. However, failure of Superman Returns to generate enough hype and money postponed those plans until now.