Does Avatar: The Last Airbender get better? - Page 6

*CyberCubed* · 09-02-2014, 01:41 PM

I watched up to episode 13. I actually liked the Storm episode for the backstory, and the next one where the fire nation captures Aang and Zuko rescues him to turn him in, himself.

One thing I notice is how the characters never stab or slice each other. All these characters are swinging around swords yet they never get cut or slashes. I keep forgetting Avatar is not a Japanese anime but an American cartoon, if this was an anime all those fire soldiers would have been killed in the heat of battle.

The sucking on frogs thing was a bit disturbing, felt like I was watching some sort of Japanese innuendo there for a second.

*MrTMNT2012* · 09-02-2014, 02:12 PM

The whole story is like a parallel between Aang and Zuko. What's brilliant, is that the backstory shows how similar our hero and our villain is and makes you wonder if these two really would have been friends if circumstances were different...

*CyberCubed* · 09-02-2014, 02:27 PM

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Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

The whole story is like a parallel between Aang and Zuko. What's brilliant, is that the backstory shows how similar our hero and our villain is and makes you wonder if these two really would have been friends if circumstances were different...

Yeah, but that's a common tropes used in every series ever. Would Goku and Vegeta been friends if Goku was never sent to Earth and grew up alongside him? Yes.

Every series that has a hero and a rival who is not 100% a bad guy will eventually become friends.

*MrTMNT2012* · 09-02-2014, 02:33 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Yeah, but that's a common tropes used in every series ever. Would Goku and Vegeta been friends if Goku was never sent to Earth and grew up alongside him? Yes.

Every series that has a hero and a rival who is not 100% a bad guy will eventually become friends.

Now that you said that, I'm SOOO glad that 'phase' with Zuko happens during Season 2...

It was pretty ingenious writing even just when you think you can predict stuff!

Also, am I the only one who never gets tired of that even if it is a trope? I mean, I LOVE Goku and Vegeta's relationship, Naruto and Sasuke's relationship because of that. If there was no struggle or rivalry, it wouldn't be as interesting in my opinion...

*CyberCubed* · 09-02-2014, 03:19 PM

So is the Fire Nation supposed to represent North Korea? It seems like every nation is based on a real world Asian country:

- Air = Chinese/tibet monks

- Water = Eskimo's, Phillopino's, southern Asians

- Earth = Japan

- Fire Nation = North Korea

No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

*TurtleTitan97* · 09-02-2014, 03:24 PM

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No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

Yes Cubed, the Fire Nation is totally based on North Korea. That's why they're the bad guys.

Said no one ever.

~~Davetello~~ · 09-02-2014, 03:33 PM

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Yes Cubed, the Fire Nation is totally based on North Korea. That's why they're the bad guys.

Said no one ever.

Was wondering if it was just me who found that a bizarre comment.

*plastroncafe* · 09-02-2014, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

So is the Fire Nation supposed to represent North Korea? It seems like every nation is based on a real world Asian country:

- Air = Chinese/tibet monks

- Water = Eskimo's, Phillopino's, southern Asians

- Earth = Japan

- Fire Nation = North Korea

No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

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Peanut · 09-02-2014, 05:26 PM

In typical Cubed fashion everything has to be based on or derivative of something. Like most man children, it's Dragonball.

*Redeemer* · 09-02-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Peanut

A lot of those Avatar "filler" episodes contain great character moments/development, which is something I think Korra misses by having every episode matter to the overall story arc.

Really good point. One of my favorite episodes is Book 2 "The Tales of Ba Sing Se" was an amazing episode for Iroh, you really understand why he doesn't believe in the fire nation war.

*CyberCubed* · 09-02-2014, 06:59 PM

I figure they were based on real-life countries because of the Asian setting. Why do you think Katara and Sokka have brown skin? They're based on eskimo's or fillipino's.

Aang's air-benders are clearly based on Chinese and Tibet monks.

Earth-benders look like Japanese.

And the Fire Nation is an oppressive war-like regime with evil leaders just like North Korea.

*plastroncafe* · 09-02-2014, 09:43 PM

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.

*CyberCubed* · 09-02-2014, 10:15 PM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.

Really? When I was a kid in school the teachers called them eskimo's all the time. Then again when I was a kid Pluto was still considered a planet.

So I guess times change.

Peanut · 09-02-2014, 10:30 PM

Your ADHD probably didn't allow you to concentrate on it.

*BabyTurtles* · 09-02-2014, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

I figure they were based on real-life countries because of the Asian setting. Why do you think Katara and Sokka have brown skin? They're based on eskimo's or fillipino's.

Aang's air-benders are clearly based on Chinese and Tibet monks.

Earth-benders look like Japanese.

And the Fire Nation is an oppressive war-like regime with evil leaders just like North Korea.

.....I thought the fire nation was based off Japan....

*CyberCubed* · 09-03-2014, 01:13 AM

Episode 14 was a dreaded shipping episode, and rather boring too. Since this episode didn't have any villains it was completely devoid of action, making it incredibly dull to watch.

I also don't understand why Katara seemed so disinterested in Aang in this episode, when she already showed signs of liking him in previous episodes? Did the writers just forget? I also don't understand why Aang was so obsessed with Katara either all of a sudden.

He was also rather mean to that pig-tailed girl. What kind of message is this for children? That you should ignore the "ugly" girls and only go for the cute ones? I wonder how 7-8 year olds watching this episode will think.

Pretty lame episode, which is a shame because I really liked the previous two.

*Prowler* · 09-03-2014, 06:09 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Inuit, not eskimo. The latter is a slur.

Not to mention those populations don't live in Asia, but in Northern Canada and Greenland.

*ssjup81* · 09-03-2014, 08:14 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Really? When I was a kid in school the teachers called them eskimo's all the time. Then again when I was a kid Pluto was still considered a planet.

So I guess times change.

They also called Native Americans, Indians when we were kids. My have times changed.

Anywho, Eskimos aren't from Asia. I thought the show was based around different Asian regions.

*plastroncafe* · 09-03-2014, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Episode 14 was a dreaded shipping episode, and rather boring too. Since this episode didn't have any villains it was completely devoid of action, making it incredibly dull to watch.

I also don't understand why Katara seemed so disinterested in Aang in this episode, when she already showed signs of liking him in previous episodes? Did the writers just forget? I also don't understand why Aang was so obsessed with Katara either all of a sudden.

He was also rather mean to that pig-tailed girl. What kind of message is this for children? That you should ignore the "ugly" girls and only go for the cute ones? I wonder how 7-8 year olds watching this episode will think.

Pretty lame episode, which is a shame because I really liked the previous two.

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised you didn't like the Anti-Nice Guy episode. Or that the theme of "People Liking You Doesn't Require That You Like Them Back" is one that went straight over your head.

This is the kind of stuff we need on the Nick TMNT toon.

*CyberCubed* · 09-03-2014, 11:59 AM

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Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Why am I not the slightest bit surprised you didn't like the Anti-Nice Guy episode. Or that the theme of "People Liking You Doesn't Require That You Like Them Back" is one that went straight over your head.

This is the kind of stuff we need on the Nick TMNT toon.

It would have been a good message if the animators didn't purposely make the pig-tail girl to look ugly while Katara was constantly called, "beautiful" throughout the episode with those sparkly image scenes.

It was a bad message for kids, that Aang had no interest in the ugly girl with pig-tails (she even talks about how her hair isn't nice), but wants the cute Katara instead.

If they made the pig-tail girl good looking then I could have seen the message. Instead the writers implied Aang should pass up the ugly girl for the good looking one. What a great message for kids, but that's how it works in real life 90% of the time anyway.

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CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	I watched up to episode 13. I actually liked the Storm episode for the backstory, and the next one where the fire nation captures Aang and Zuko rescues him to turn him in, himself. One thing I notice is how the characters never stab or slice each other. All these characters are swinging around swords yet they never get cut or slashes. I keep forgetting Avatar is not a Japanese anime but an American cartoon, if this was an anime all those fire soldiers would have been killed in the heat of battle. The sucking on frogs thing was a bit disturbing, felt like I was watching some sort of Japanese innuendo there for a second.

09-02-2014, 03:19 PM	#105
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	So is the Fire Nation supposed to represent North Korea? It seems like every nation is based on a real world Asian country: - Air = Chinese/tibet monks - Water = Eskimo's, Phillopino's, southern Asians - Earth = Japan - Fire Nation = North Korea No surprise Fire Nation is viewed as the most evil like North Korea's rulers in real life.

09-02-2014, 05:26 PM	#109
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	In typical Cubed fashion everything has to be based on or derivative of something. Like most man children, it's Dragonball.

09-02-2014, 06:59 PM	#111
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	I figure they were based on real-life countries because of the Asian setting. Why do you think Katara and Sokka have brown skin? They're based on eskimo's or fillipino's. Aang's air-benders are clearly based on Chinese and Tibet monks. Earth-benders look like Japanese. And the Fire Nation is an oppressive war-like regime with evil leaders just like North Korea.

09-02-2014, 10:30 PM	#114
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	Your ADHD probably didn't allow you to concentrate on it.

09-03-2014, 01:13 AM	#116
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,883	Episode 14 was a dreaded shipping episode, and rather boring too. Since this episode didn't have any villains it was completely devoid of action, making it incredibly dull to watch. I also don't understand why Katara seemed so disinterested in Aang in this episode, when she already showed signs of liking him in previous episodes? Did the writers just forget? I also don't understand why Aang was so obsessed with Katara either all of a sudden. He was also rather mean to that pig-tailed girl. What kind of message is this for children? That you should ignore the "ugly" girls and only go for the cute ones? I wonder how 7-8 year olds watching this episode will think. Pretty lame episode, which is a shame because I really liked the previous two.