Sachs role in sequels

[Donny]

Since they choose to rewrite the script in the 11th hour resulting in Sachs not being the Shredder afterall, I feel that they need to use the character wisely in sequels, to avoid Sachs being a unimportant figure without any bigger purpose. I liked the idea of Shredder being the big puppetmaster in the shadows, and can for that reason sort of accept that the character was not explored more in order to make him more mystical, and use that to get deeper into the character in the next movie. However, since this clearly wasn´t the original idea, I feel that the script ended up a bit scattered, and it was obvious how the movie could have been much better if they did not decide to make such a big chance rushed in the last minute, and even though I liked the guy who played Shredder and prefer the Japanese version, the movie would probably have been better with Sachs as Shredder. Therefore, I feel that they need to validate the inclusion of Sachs in the universe by develop him in the next sequel. What do you think his role will be? Do you think he will appear at all? I have two ideas for him:

1) Maybe they could use the story from the 2k3 toon, where Bishop makes a super soldier which then turns into the rat king. Shredder could make similar experiments on Sachs with the mutagen, which in the end could turn Sachs into Rat King. By doing this they can also take advantage of his established connection to Splinter.

2) Sachs could be an utrom trying to earn money to get back home to his home planet. This might be a bit trickier to do than the rat king, but utroms on the big screen would also be awesome if done right.

[chrisdude]

I don't think he's really been outed for what he really is. He could stay in his role as the head of Sachs Industries, a public figure who can cover for The Foot, and Shredder's protege/right-hand man. Doesn't have to be a major role. I sort of doubt they would shape the sequel around making his character work by turning him into a classic villain.

I would like to see an Utrom connection, though. Because there are Utroms in his mural, and I'm not going to let that go.

[neatoman]

Utrom Sacks? In that case I guess he's lying about his background then, which of course he would have to. If he is an Utrom though I think he would mostly likely be Krang.

Oh you know what? If he's an utrom that means he would be able to get a new android body, he could be like a shapeshifter villain who comes back under a number of disguises.

[chrisdude]

He could just know Utroms, and his story could be true. I'd like to think the cure for the poison back in Japan was Utrom, and that the modern ooze that they were working with is of Utrom origin, as well.

Some consider it a throwaway gag, but young April's line about the ooze being from space may have some truth to it. The way it was shot, that could've been a very easy thing to edit out.

Between that line and the mural, I don't think it's a coincidence. I bet Utroms are totally on the table.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Makes me wonder if Sachs would even return at all honestly. I think Vernon knocking him out cold might be the last we'd ever see of the character. He was designed and created to be the Shredder and that was changed at the last minute so he could just be a stereotypical "evil scientist for money" type. I'm sure Fitchner wasn't thrilled. I know he said he signed a "three picture deal", but how often have we really heard that phrase come up?

I honestly think we've seen the last of Eric Sachs in this movie universe.

[Bitsy83]

.....I thought he died? Wasn't the lab on fire or the building explode or something like that? I can't really remember what happened after his confrontation with April. Well, I hope he died or he gets the Johnny Cage treatment like in "Mortal Kombat: Annihilation" and dies in the first five minutes. Really didn't like his character.

I'm gonna piss people off, but I would've preferred him being Shredder than the whole reshoot editing you know happened after it was announced.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Bitsy83

.....I thought he died? Wasn't the lab on fire or the building explode or something like that? I can't really remember what happened after his confrontation with April. Well, I hope he died or he gets the Johnny Cage treatment like in "Mortal Kombat: Annihilation" and dies in the first five minutes. Really didn't like his character.

I'm gonna piss people off, but I would've preferred him being Shredder than the whole reshoot editing you know happened after it was announced.

While I'm not really looking forward to a sequel, since it's inevitable...I would be fine with that being the last of Sachs as well. No need to bring him back.

I think what's frustrating is that you clearly see the lack of confidence the film has in just this part alone. Instead of actually understanding the reasoning why fans had such a backlash as to why they preferred an asian Shredder, they just thrown in nameless, scared, spooky asian man in the shadows and just make him Shredder.

While it might not have been my favorite interpretation of Shredder if they would've gone with the Sachs as Shred notion...I could've appreciated the film a little more.

[Donny]

Originally Posted by neatoman

Utrom Sacks? In that case I guess he's lying about his background then, which of course he would have to. If he is an Utrom though I think he would mostly likely be Krang.

Oh you know what? If he's an utrom that means he would be able to get a new android body, he could be like a shapeshifter villain who comes back under a number of disguises.

It does not have to be a big lie. He could be an utrom whose ship crashed in Japan, and was helped by Shredder to get on his feet again in return for access to the mutagen and utrom technology (hence the improved suit). I really doubt that they will evolve his role in that direction though. It would either be very cool or it could end up being an excuse for using his character due to the contracts and lead to a messy and untrustworthy story. Nevertheless, all that last minute editing could make it more difficult for the studio to make the next movie.

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

I think what's frustrating is that you clearly see the lack of confidence the film has in just this part alone. Instead of actually understanding the reasoning why fans had such a backlash as to why they preferred an asian Shredder, they just thrown in nameless, scared, spooky asian man in the shadows and just make him Shredder.

While it might not have been my favorite interpretation of Shredder if they would've gone with the Sachs as Shred notion...I could've appreciated the film a little more.

I can´t help feel the same way and it is really a shame. Minor things could have made a big difference for the overall quality of this movie. I can appreciate it for what it is; it was an entertaining movie, and I actually like the turtles themselves, and April also, but it always ends with a "but"....

[Coola Yagami]

The main issue is, Sachs has no business being in the movie. I remember before everyone was hoping Sachs was gonna be some kind of 'fake Shredder' so that at the end the 'real Shredder' would step in, hinting for a sequel... but who would want to waste the first movie with a fake Shredder? I know Batman Begins ended with a Joker teaser, but at least Batman faces Rahs and Scarecrow, both actual Batman villains in the movie. They didn't have him fight some lame wannabe clown and then end it with the 'real Joker' announcing he's going to Gotham to 'show them how it's done'.

IMO have Sachs executed by Shredder in the opening scene. Get rid of the character. And at the same time, said scene will show that Shredder means business and has very low tolerance for failure.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

The main issue is, Sachs has no business being in the movie. I remember before everyone was hoping Sachs was gonna be some kind of 'fake Shredder' so that at the end the 'real Shredder' would step in, hinting for a sequel... but who would want to waste the first movie with a fake Shredder? I know Batman Begins ended with a Joker teaser, but at least Batman faces Rahs and Scarecrow, both actual Batman villains in the movie. They didn't have him fight some lame wannabe clown and then end it with the 'real Joker' announcing he's going to Gotham to 'show them how it's done'

Well wasn't that what Ducard was for the fake Ra's Al Ghul at the beginning of BB? Essentially they tricked Bruce Wayne into thinking Ken Wantabe's character was the actual leader of the League of Shadows before Ducard reveals his true identity at Wayne's party. Now I'm not saying that TMNT 2014 would've handled that kind of switch cleverly as nothing in this movie really showcases any creativity really, but that is an interesting notion to think of.

I'm with you though, if they rewrote Shredder all together...Sachs has no real purpose to be in this film and therefore should not return for any future films within this cooky universe.

[JonesyKitty]

Originally Posted by chrisdude

He could just know I bet Utroms are totally on the table.

Sorry couldn't help this one.

Originally Posted by Bitsy83

.....I thought he died? Wasn't the lab on fire or the building explode or something like that?

honestly I was thinking there would be an after credit scene where it woild show the inside of the building fire and Sacks' body would open up and an utrom would crawl out. They could probably do it in the sequel by starting the film where the first one ended, show the Turtle Van pull out and cut to the burnt up lab.

[Donnieangelo]

Originally Posted by CaseyJonesFan

Sorry couldn't help this one.



honestly I was thinking there would be an after credit scene where it woild show the inside of the building fire and Sacks' body would open up and an utrom would crawl out. They could probably do it in the sequel by starting the film where the first one ended, show the Turtle Van pull out and cut to the burnt up lab.

Heh, they are drinking from straws!

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Well wasn't that what Ducard was for the fake Ra's Al Ghul at the beginning of BB? Essentially they tricked Bruce Wayne into thinking Ken Wantabe's character was the actual leader of the League of Shadows before Ducard reveals his true identity at Wayne's party. Now I'm not saying that TMNT 2014 would've handled that kind of switch cleverly as nothing in this movie really showcases any creativity really, but that is an interesting notion to think of.

I'm with you though, if they rewrote Shredder all together...Sachs has no real purpose to be in this film and therefore should not return for any future films within this cooky universe.

True but Rahs still returned near the end of the movie with enough screen time to be a memorable part of it. Bruce didn't face that random bald guy for the whole movie and have Liam hint he would step in the post credits scene. Plus.... he kinda wasn't fooling anybody since Liam looked JUST LIKE Rahs Al Ghul...

Fans were speculating the TMNT movie would have ShredSachs for the ENTIRE movie and have a hint of 'a real asian Shredder' near the very end. Like I said, it woulda been a waste of time since we had to sit through a full movie of a fake.

[slingtheory]

I'm not really sure they can salvage his character now that he's not shredder. With the role he plays in shredders organization for all intents and purposes he might as well just be baxter stockman. They should've just changed his name in the reshoots if they planned to keep him around but I guess that would've made it too obvious.

[Puddinpop]

Wow lol. No one here knows the what, when and why going on behind the scenes. But the way some expand on ASSUMPTION with this attitude of " I was there.. I know what happened " is entertaining to say the least. There are a lot of things they can do with this Sack's character. He had plenty of " business " being in the film. As for why and when they " changed " Shredder to a Japanese guy? No one knows yet. There are just to many variables involved. The Japanese guy did his job and he did it well. We just needed more of him. After working out all the kinks I believe there is plenty of potential for this sequel. But hey.. around here.. wild assumptions and exaggeration is all to common lol.

Originally Posted by chrisdude

He could just know Utroms, and his story could be true. I'd like to think the cure for the poison back in Japan was Utrom, and that the modern ooze that they were working with is of Utrom origin, as well.

Some consider it a throwaway gag, but young April's line about the ooze being from space may have some truth to it. The way it was shot, that could've been a very easy thing to edit out.

Between that line and the mural, I don't think it's a coincidence. I bet Utroms are totally on the table.

Yea.. I agree. My ears perked up when I heard her say that about the ooze being from outer space. They could def. capitalize on that. And the mural also. I also don't think its a coincidence. They all said they want to go that rout so.. cheers. I hope they do

[Coola Yagami]

Sachs was meant to be shredder and now he's not. That's a fact. Anything they do with him will be considered a change since now they have a shredder to do it with. Sachs outlived his usefulness. He's basically Baxter with a different name.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Sachs was meant to be shredder and now he's not. That's a fact. Anything they do with him will be considered a change since now they have a shredder to do it with. Sachs outlived his usefulness. He's basically Baxter with a different name.

This.

His character served no genuine purpose other than to be westernized version of the Shredder that they quickly changed to save their asses from bad PR. By the end of the film, he's just as forgetful as this whole movie was.

[Leo656]

Sachs is apparently also Shredder in every single spin-off media from books to video games. So there's that.

But hey, could it be some massive cover-up to keep a "secret" that isn't especially secret nor worth keeping? I mean, what about all those scenes that were shot that indicated the movie had an entirely different plot not that long ago? Those scenes the guys from Latino Review were on hand to see, including Foot Soldiers being injected with mutagen to create Super Soldiers? All of that was clearly just false footage shot to deceive people beforehand, because the final film's story was so mind-blowing, it would melt people's faces if they knew in advance just how awesome what they had planned for us was going to be. Clearly.

Or, y'know... deductive reasoning. A person could simply look at the overwhelming evidence and come to the conclusion that a bunch of hasty changes were made at the 11th hour, since that's fairly common in movie-making. But... but that would mean.... that would mean the people making this movie had no idea what they were doing or why...

No, it can't be that the PD guys are hacks. It's gotta be the conspiracy thing.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Sachs is apparently also Shredder in every single spin-off media from books to video games. So there's that.

But hey, could it be some massive cover-up to keep a "secret" that isn't especially secret nor worth keeping? I mean, what about all those scenes that were shot that indicated the movie had an entirely different plot not that long ago? Those scenes the guys from Latino Review were on hand to see, including Foot Soldiers being injected with mutagen to create Super Soldiers? All of that was clearly just false footage shot to deceive people beforehand, because the final film's story was so mind-blowing, it would melt people's faces if they knew in advance just how awesome what they had planned for us was going to be. Clearly.

Or, y'know... deductive reasoning. A person could simply look at the overwhelming evidence and come to the conclusion that a bunch of hasty changes were made at the 11th hour, since that's fairly common in movie-making. But... but that would mean.... that would mean the people making this movie had no idea what they were doing or why...

No, it can't be that the PD guys are hacks. It's gotta be the conspiracy thing.

Someone give this man a medal!

[Leo656]

Chewie didn't get one, I wouldn't feel right about it.