Sachs role in sequels

[Andrew NDB]

Ugh. Why don't they just call the sequel: "TMNT 2: 90 minutes of us Trying to Repair the Damage from ****ing Up the Last One."

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ugh. Why don't they just call the sequel: "TMNT 2: 90 minutes of us Trying to Repair the Damage from ****ing Up the Last One."

Exactly. QFT.

[Autbot_Benz]

seriously we are still complaining about this movie

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

seriously we are still complaining about this movie

Yeah, because fans of a franchise aren't allowed to have opinions or talk about things they liked or didn't like in a forum about said franchise.

[slingtheory]

Originally Posted by Andrew NDB

Ugh. Why don't they just call the sequel: "TMNT 2: 90 minutes of us Trying to Repair the Damage from ****ing Up the Last One."

I think they may already have settled on TMNT 2: We Added the Technodrome so We Know You'll see it Regardless of it Having the Same Problems as the Last One.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

seriously we are still complaining about this movie

You expected everyone that hated it to suddenly change their minds? Some of us actually wanted a good tmnt movie.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

I think they may already have settled on TMNT 2: We Added the Technodrome so We Know You'll see it Regardless of it Having the Same Problems as the Last One.

Just like this movie ruined everything but 'hey, pizza and cowabunga!' I expect the sequel to be even worse but 'hey bebop and rocksteady'. I'd say Technodrome for part 3. Something will have to save that last one.

[ranger_scout]

I think Saks should be Krang in the sequels.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by Autbot_Benz

seriously we are still complaining about this movie

Yep lol. Some things never change. For some.. their ego's are to big to allow them to move on. But to instead think of their opinions as general facts and hold this mentality that everyone that thinks differently must be out of their minds lol. Some cant help but to stick around and complain about Shredder being Japanese now after months of complaining about white Shredder . This production never had a chance with some of these kids. Anyone clear enough to point out the fact that some people just love to complain regardless and act like they know the what when where and how and then expand on these " opinions/assumptions " like they are facts will quickly be chastised by the same group of arrogant, opinionated narrow minded " know it alls". This isn't even about the movie for some folks around here. It's about ego.. it's about the unwavering need to shove their views and tastes down the throats of others until they give up and swallow. It's about getting the last word. Even if it means writing one massive post after another like it somehow makes your argument more valid. News flash.. it doesn't. I think it's probably a need to feel significant and important in any way shape or form online to those that couldn't possibly know any better. Sad.. This unquenchable need to feel validated. Truth is.. No matter how many long drawn out posts they write.. No matter how many ways you try to twist it.. This is all opinion based discussion and speculation. Period

If your " opinion " is that this movie wasn't any good then that is just that .. your opinion. And should be viewed as such. The movie was by no means a flop. It actually did well. It has a green lit sequel. NO ONE owes anybody an apology or explanation. I hope this production learned that trying to please everyone was a pointless mistake. I hope this production stays focused this time and does exactly what they want to do. Writes the script they want to write. Takes this TMNT trilogy in any direction they see fit. Bc they paid their dues and have earned the right to. And just bc a few of you hated what was put forth doesn't change that. Viacom makes the call. Not you. I really admire how Liebesman said if he didnt end up getting the job for TMNT 2 he'd still shoot a TMNT film and put it up on Youtube.. Rather than sitting behind a computer screen complaining about someone else's work like he could do better. I think a lot of people could learn a thing or two from him lol. Actions speak way louder than empty words.

As for Sacks.. They could do a lot with his character. They could keep him as the human millionair industrialist helping Shredder.. or better yet.. Krang. They could actually make Sacks an Utrom/Krang. They can leave Japanese Shredder out and have Sacks and Krang assault NYC with a Technodrome that he built with his millions.. with Baxter Stockman.. or Bebop and Rocksteady.. There are a lot of fun exciting things they could do with Sacks. Some are so quick to just dismiss everything as a failure before a friggin script is even written and will spend the next two years of their lives trying to invalidate it. Imo.. that's pretty sad lol

[Autbot_Benz]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Yep lol. Some things never change. For some.. their ego's are to big to allow them to move on. But to instead think of their opinions as general facts and hold this mentality that everyone that thinks differently must be out of their minds lol. Some cant help but to stick around and complain about Shredder being Japanese now after months of complaining about white Shredder . This production never had a chance will some of these kids. Anyone clear enough to point out the fact that some people just love to complain regardless and act like they know the what when where and how and then expand on these " opinions/assumptions " like they are facts will quickly be chastised by the same group of arrogant, opinionated narrow minded " know it alls". This isn't even about the movie for some folks around here. It's about ego.. it's about the unwavering need to shove their views and tastes down the throats of others until they give up and swallow. It's about getting the last word. Even if it means writing one massive post after another like it somehow makes your argument more valid. News flash.. it doesn't. I think it's probably a need to feel significant and important in any way shape or form online to those that couldn't possibly know any better. Sad.. This unquenchable need to feel validated. Truth is.. No matter how many long drawn out posts they write.. No matter how many ways you try to twist it.. This is all opinion based discussion and speculation. Period

If your " opinion " is that this movie wasn't any good then that is just that .. your opinion. And should be viewed as such. The movie was by no means a flop. It actually did well. It has a green lit sequel. NO ONE owes anybody an apology or explanation. I hope this production learned that trying to please everyone was a pointless mistake. I hope this production stays focused this time and does exactly what they want to do. Writes the script they want to write. Takes this TMNT trilogy in any direction they see fit. Bc they paid their dues and have earned the right to. And just bc a few of you hated what was put forth doesn't change that. Viacom makes the call. Not you. I really admire how Liebesman said if he didnt end up getting the job for TMNT 2 he'd still shoot a TMNT film and put it up on Youtube.. Rather than sitting behind a computer screen complaining about someone else's work like he could do better. I think a lot of people could learn a thing or two from him lol. Actions speak way louder than empty words.

As for Sacks.. They could do a lot with his character. They could keep him as the human million air industrialist helping Shredder.. or better yet.. Krang. They could actually make Sacks an Utrom/Krang. They can leave Japanese Shredder out and have Sacks and Krang assault NYC with a Technodrome that he built with his millions.. with Baxter Stockman.. or Bebop and Rocksteady.. There are a lot of fun exciting things they could do with Sacks. Some are so quick to just dismiss everything as a failure before a friggin script is even written and will spend the next two years of their lives trying to invalidate it. Imo.. that's pretty sad lol

I agree with you 100 percent.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Yep lol. Some things never change. For some.. their ego's are to big to allow them to move on. But to instead think of their opinions as general facts and hold this mentality that everyone that thinks differently must be out of their minds lol. Some cant help but to stick around and complain about Shredder being Japanese now after months of complaining about white Shredder . This production never had a chance will some of these kids. Anyone clear enough to point out the fact that some people just love to complain regardless and act like they know the what when where and how and then expand on these " opinions/assumptions " like they are facts will quickly be chastised by the same group of arrogant, opinionated narrow minded " know it alls". This isn't even about the movie for some folks around here. It's about ego.. it's about the unwavering need to shove their views and tastes down the throats of others until they give up and swallow. It's about getting the last word. Even if it means writing one massive post after another like it somehow makes your argument more valid. News flash.. it doesn't. I think it's probably a need to feel significant and important in any way shape or form online to those that couldn't possibly know any better. Sad.. This unquenchable need to feel validated. Truth is.. No matter how many long drawn out posts they write.. No matter how many ways you try to twist it.. This is all opinion based discussion and speculation. Period

If your " opinion " is that this movie wasn't any good then that is just that .. your opinion. And should be viewed as such. The movie was by no means a flop. It actually did well. It has a green lit sequel. NO ONE owes anybody an apology or explanation. I hope this production learned that trying to please everyone was a pointless mistake. I hope this production stays focused this time and does exactly what they want to do. Writes the script they want to write. Takes this TMNT trilogy in any direction they see fit. Bc they paid their dues and have earned the right to. And just bc a few of you hated what was put forth doesn't change that. Viacom makes the call. Not you. I really admire how Liebesman said if he didnt end up getting the job for TMNT 2 he'd still shoot a TMNT film and put it up on Youtube.. Rather than sitting behind a computer screen complaining about someone else's work like he could do better. I think a lot of people could learn a thing or two from him lol. Actions speak way louder than empty words.

Wow, a long winded ego driven complaint about people complaining.

Sure, why not.

I do find it funny that those of us who have legitimate criticism on the film discuss what we find wrong with the film itself while most of the defenders of the film just criticize the film's critics. It's that whole "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense.

[Puddinpop]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Wow, a long winded ego driven complaint about people complaining.

Sure, why not.

I do find it funny that those of us who have legitimate criticism on the film discuss what we find wrong with the film itself while most of the defenders of the film just criticize the film's critics. It's that whole "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense.

Ego drivin huh?
Well.. aren't you doing the same thing by complaining about me complaining about complainers? Talk about calling the kettle black bud

Us " defenders " have said plenty about what we enjoyed regarding this movie. But you've only been here like a month so i wont hold you to knowing that. Just read the review thread.. if you havent yet. We don't owe you any explanation. There is no right or wrong with opinion based discussion. Just bc folks like you sit here 24 hours a day and repeat the same complaints over and over and over and over again doesn't mean we have to cancel our lives and sit here repeating ourselves or as you like to put it " defend " why we enjoyed this movie to make you feel better or more validated about your own opinions. Some of us have better things to do. We saw the movie.. enjoyed it " a majority of us here on the Drome ", and now stop in once in a while to see if there is any fresh new discussion or news on a sequel but no.. it's the same boring discussion of how they " got scared and tried to change everything and they had no business making a movie and how the sequel has no potential and will fail blah blah blah".
People cannot except the fact that others.. even " most " dare i say.. enjoyed the film. That is why people keep making the same " like or dislike the new movie " poll over and over again expecting a different result bc they cannot except that they are not a majority.
If you think we haven't " defended " our reasons for liking this film.. for months now then you frankly haven't been paying any attention.

[DarkLightDragon]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

Wow, a long winded ego driven complaint about people complaining.

Sure, why not.

I do find it funny that those of us who have legitimate criticism on the film discuss what we find wrong with the film itself while most of the defenders of the film just criticize the film's critics. It's that whole "I'm rubber and you're glue" defense.

And it's one of the reasons why I can never treat this forum seriously.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Yep lol. Some things never change. For some.. their ego's are to big to allow them to move on. But to instead think of their opinions as general facts and hold this mentality that everyone that thinks differently must be out of their minds lol. Some cant help but to stick around and complain about Shredder being Japanese now after months of complaining about white Shredder . This production never had a chance with some of these kids. Anyone clear enough to point out the fact that some people just love to complain regardless and act like they know the what when where and how and then expand on these " opinions/assumptions " like they are facts will quickly be chastised by the same group of arrogant, opinionated narrow minded " know it alls". This isn't even about the movie for some folks around here. It's about ego.. it's about the unwavering need to shove their views and tastes down the throats of others until they give up and swallow. It's about getting the last word. Even if it means writing one massive post after another like it somehow makes your argument more valid. News flash.. it doesn't. I think it's probably a need to feel significant and important in any way shape or form online to those that couldn't possibly know any better. Sad.. This unquenchable need to feel validated. Truth is.. No matter how many long drawn out posts they write.. No matter how many ways you try to twist it.. This is all opinion based discussion and speculation. Period

If your " opinion " is that this movie wasn't any good then that is just that .. your opinion. And should be viewed as such. The movie was by no means a flop. It actually did well. It has a green lit sequel. NO ONE owes anybody an apology or explanation. I hope this production learned that trying to please everyone was a pointless mistake. I hope this production stays focused this time and does exactly what they want to do. Writes the script they want to write. Takes this TMNT trilogy in any direction they see fit. Bc they paid their dues and have earned the right to. And just bc a few of you hated what was put forth doesn't change that. Viacom makes the call. Not you. I really admire how Liebesman said if he didnt end up getting the job for TMNT 2 he'd still shoot a TMNT film and put it up on Youtube.. Rather than sitting behind a computer screen complaining about someone else's work like he could do better. I think a lot of people could learn a thing or two from him lol. Actions speak way louder than empty words.

As for Sacks.. They could do a lot with his character. They could keep him as the human millionair industrialist helping Shredder.. or better yet.. Krang. They could actually make Sacks an Utrom/Krang. They can leave Japanese Shredder out and have Sacks and Krang assault NYC with a Technodrome that he built with his millions.. with Baxter Stockman.. or Bebop and Rocksteady.. There are a lot of fun exciting things they could do with Sacks. Some are so quick to just dismiss everything as a failure before a friggin script is even written and will spend the next two years of their lives trying to invalidate it. Imo.. that's pretty sad lol

tl;dr same ol ego-driven drivel. Not everyone liked the movie just because it has the tmnt label slapped on it.

I do appreciate the hard work that went into this, but that still doesn't excuse the end product. In fact it wasn't even their fault. They were just following the orders of the director and script writers. Most of the blame should fall on them.

I doubt you care if the people behind the Catwoman movie paid their dues. The biggest Catwoman fans still wouldn't buy it. Same applies here. I'm not buying this one either.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Ego drivin huh?
Well.. aren't you doing the same thing by complaining about me complaining about complainers? Talk about calling the kettle black bud

No, not at all actually. I'm simply bringing up the notion that your novelization of a post comes across as more butt-hurt more so than a logical argument with someone who disagrees with your point of view.

Originally Posted by Puddinpop

Us " defenders " have said plenty about what we enjoyed regarding this movie. But you've only been here like a month so i wont hold you to knowing that. Just read the review thread.. if you havent yet. We don't owe you any explanation. There is no right or wrong with opinion based discussion. Just bc folks like you sit here 24 hours a day and repeat the same complaints over and over and over and over again doesn't mean we have to cancel our lives and sit here repeating ourselves or as you like to put it " defend " why we enjoyed this movie to make you feel better or more validated about your own opinions. Some of us have better things to do. We saw the movie.. enjoyed it " a majority of us here on the Drome ", and now stop in once in a while to see if there is any fresh new discussion or news on a sequel but no.. it's the same boring discussion of how they " got scared and tried to change everything and they had no business making a movie and how the sequel has no potential and will fail blah blah blah".
People cannot except the fact that others.. even " most " dare i say.. enjoyed the film. That is why people keep making the same " like or dislike the new movie " poll over and over again expecting a different result bc they cannot except that they are not a majority.
If you think we haven't " defended " our reasons for liking this film.. for months now then you frankly haven't been paying any attention.

I was in your boat when I joined as someone who was a supporter of the film. I got behind the goofy designs, I was liking how the action was presented to me and I was more than willing to get immersed into the world it created for me....but as a TMNT in a world of consistently solid Marvel films, it's hard for me to get behind this final product. I wasn't someone who thought this was destined to fail months before the film came out, I WANTED a good TMNT film because god knows this generation deserves one...but in my opinion, we just simply got a flawed product.

I'm willing to hear you out. Please enlighten me why you feel that a rush script change to Sachs character in the film only enhances it when the video game tie in, visual history book and many other adaptations from this film clearly have Eric in the Shredder role. If you don't agree with my points, let's get a discussion going....don't pander me being passionate about my love for TMNT and having discussions with like minded fans wanting competent movies. If you have a problem with our opinions on why we didn't like it, don't get offended by how we feel and then just come back with "well, it's already been said...we don't need to repeat ourselves." Your defense is weak and just makes your opinion even weaker.

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

tl;dr same ol ego-driven drivel. Not everyone liked the movie just because it has the tmnt label slapped on it.

I do appreciate the hard work that went into this, but that still doesn't excuse the end product. In fact it wasn't even their fault. They were just following the orders of the director and script writers. Most of the blame should fall on them.

I doubt you care if the people behind the Catwoman movie paid their dues. The biggest Catwoman fans still wouldn't buy it. Same applies here. I'm not buying this one either.

Exactly.

[Andrew NDB]

Originally Posted by slingtheory

I think they may already have settled on TMNT 2: We Added the Technodrome so We Know You'll see it Regardless of it Having the Same Problems as the Last One.

And Bebop. And Rocksteady. And Krang. And still probably no actual ninja fighting.

[Xiewin]

Originally Posted by RaphaelinSTL

I was in your boat when I joined as someone who was a supporter of the film. I got behind the goofy designs, I was liking how the action was presented to me and I was more than willing to get immersed into the world it created for me....but as a TMNT in a world of consistently solid Marvel films, it's hard for me to get behind this final product. I wasn't someone who thought this was destined to fail months before the film came out, I WANTED a good TMNT film because god knows this generation deserves one...but in my opinion, we just simply got a flawed product.

I'm willing to hear you out. Please enlighten me why you feel that a rush script change to Sachs character in the film only enhances it when the video game tie in, visual history book and many other adaptations from this film clearly have Eric in the Shredder role. If you don't agree with my points, let's get a discussion going....don't pander me being passionate about my love for TMNT and having discussions with like minded fans wanting competent movies. If you have a problem with our opinions on why we didn't like it, don't get offended by how we feel and then just come back with "well, it's already been said...we don't need to repeat ourselves." Your defense is weak and just makes your opinion even weaker.

Same situation with me; I was really looking forward to this film. I liked all the trailers and I adored the designs.

Well that all changed until I actually saw it.

[RaphaelinSTL]

Originally Posted by Xiewin

Same situation with me; I was really looking forward to this film. I liked all the trailers, I adored the designs, and I really liked the new idea of them being created as heros.

Well that all changed until I actually saw it.

Yeah, the sad thing is I WANTED to like this thing but I just couldn't walk out of the theater and convince myself that I enjoyed what I had just seen.

My anticipation was growing the weeks prior to it's release and I went out and bought the Raphael and Shredder movie figures. I might not have LOVED the designs but I got over my dislike of them for sure. Before the movie, there were things that were bothering me in the trailers TV spots and I had fears that a Shredder wouldn't be fully developed, they would be overly strong to point of being Hulk-lite and that Michelangelo's "fun" personality would be intensified to the point where he was obnoxious, creepy and annoying. Unfortunately, that all seemed to come into play. Now every time I see Puddinpop's signature, all I can think of is these Turtles that "ain't my Turtles" staring into the deep, empty void that was the enjoyment that was had while watching this film.

This is why I don't think there's a need for Sachs in any future films, let this movie be it's own thing and just continue adventures with these unfortunate interpretations. As a TMNT fan, I'll for sure check it out...but they won't get my money the next time around.

[Leo656]

More than anything, I'm a little annoyed at people trying to steal my gimmick. Not for nothin', but most people just aren't as good at the whole "TL; DR" posting style that I've perfected. I mean, I appreciate the effort, but nobody asked for permission or anything and they just don't do it right, generally.

Harumph.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by Leo656

More than anything, I'm a little annoyed at people trying to steal my gimmick. Not for nothin', but most people just aren't as good at the whole "TL; DR" posting style that I've perfected. I mean, I appreciate the effort, but nobody asked for permission or anything and they just don't do it right, generally.

Harumph.

Your stuff is entertaining to read though. Plus you back your facts and know a lot about how Hollywood works. It's not just hate for the sake of hate.