Does Avatar: The Last Airbender get better?

[CyberCubed]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

It's cute how you highlight your own ingrained sexism here.

Well this is just an combination of everything I've read about feminist posts online. I think the "hive mind" mentality comes into play here, everyone speaks with one voice and agrees on the same thing.

Weren't you just in another thread championing April as more than a mere Damsel in Distress?

Also...people cared back in the 80s. I know, because I was one of them.

Well I was using an example, 80's April was written that way because it reflected the time period. Had the original cartoon come out NOW I bet there would have been countless feminist rants about 80's April and how she's a poor role model for young girls. At least April was fearless and never cowered from the villains (that was Vernon's job), and she had backbone.

They might feel less "bent over backwards" if they added more female characters to their stories, rather than just limiting themselves to The Good Girl/The Bad Girl. That's the problem with token characters of any kind: they make it really easy for people to call your writing lazy and insulting.

What would you consider Asami then? I've only watched up to episode 8 but so far she's just the token love interest with no flaws other than her being unaware of her father's racism.

I maintain that if you have trouble writing female characters, it's not that they're hard to write...it's that you're crap at your job.

And if Ciro had accepted my invitation to a follow up interview, I'd have told him the same thing.

Just curious, is this why you've been bitter at the Nick TMNT cartoon lately?

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well this is just an combination of everything I've read about feminist posts online. I think the "hive mind" mentality comes into play here, everyone speaks with one voice and agrees on the same thing.

You clearly haven't read enough feminist writing, then. I've been called both feminist and misogynist by other feminists. Not that I give much of a **** what people wanna label me as, I still identify as a feminist, but feminists are an incredibly diverse bunch.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Had the original cartoon come out NOW I bet there would have been countless feminist rants about 80's April and how she's a poor role model for young girls.

And rightly so.
The best way to insulate oneself from such arguments would be to add additional female characters, so that one doesn't have to stand for all.

What would you consider Asami then? I've only watched up to episode 8 but so far she's just the token love interest with no flaws other than her being unaware of her father's racism

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Asami is an interesting case, and one of the best examples of why Bryke is great at world building and Big Idea Plotting, but could really use some help with the finer flows of plot.

For instance, during the director commentary tracks for the First Book of Korra the creators mention how they were going to have Asami play the classical Femme Fatale role, but then changed their mind. It's really easy to see that they weren't sure what to do with her after they fell in love with her as an idea, as that's pretty much what plays out during the season.

Asami's plight is only exacerbated in Book Two, when she loses what little agency that she did have in Book One in favor of building up Mako for reasons I'll never really quite understand.

Just curious, is this why you've been bitter at the Nick TMNT cartoon lately?

I love it, you complain about something...and it's criticism.
I complain about something and I'm "bitter."
Which, so you know, is often times code for: A woman with an opinion.

Much like Legend of Korra, I find the Nick TMNT Toon doesn't live up to its potential. I find the pacing to be erratic, and the plots uneven. When the Nick Turtle show is on it's game it's easily one of the best cartoons currently on the air.

The Animation and voice acting, however, remain top notch.

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Well this is just an combination of everything I've read about feminist posts online. I think the "hive mind" mentality comes into play here, everyone speaks with one voice and agrees on the same thing.



Well I was using an example, 80's April was written that way because it reflected the time period. Had the original cartoon come out NOW I bet there would have been countless feminist rants about 80's April and how she's a poor role model for young girls. At least April was fearless and never cowered from the villains (that was Vernon's job), and she had backbone.



What would you consider Asami then? I've only watched up to episode 8 but so far she's just the token love interest with no flaws other than her being unaware of her father's racism.



Just curious, is this why you've been bitter at the Nick TMNT cartoon lately?

Wrong. OT April wasn't really a damsel in distress. She usually got in way over head because she took her job seriously. With her it was more so wrong place wrong time. She would also talk back and fight back. She's even put herself in extra danger for the sake of others, like how she tried warning the turtles in that Michelangelo the Sacred Turtle ep. She was held captive but still tried giving a warning over what the guy was going to do to the city. And that's another difference. Usually, she gets caught try to expose the villain for what he wants to do to the city or world, but just like REAL reporters, she puts herself out there to get the story out.

Damsel in Distress is someone purposely written to be kidnapped and nothing else. Peach comes to mind.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Asami's plight is only exacerbated in Book Two, when she loses what little agency that she did have

What?

Book 2 is where she gets the most development and shows some of that vulnerability Cubed was talking about. You could have easily shut him down with that point but instead you keep going on about Mako?

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by MrTMNT2012

What?

Book 2 is where she gets the most development and shows some of that vulnerability Cubed was talking about. You could have easily shut him down with that point but instead you keep going on about Mako?

I couldn't possibly disagree more.
In Book One Asami is proactive, she does things.
In Book Two things just happen to Asami. She ceases to be an active agent in her own life. She comes back a little bit in Book Three, and I'm hoping more so in Book Four, but yeah...Book Two was a let down for me secondary-character wise.

[CyberCubed]

I wonder how my view of the show will change as I progress. Does anyone else think Mako's design is rather plain looking? He honestly looks like a stock anime character from an 80's anime like Voltron or Speed Racer.

I mean he literally looks like the standard anime trope male hero but without any other distinguishing features. At least back in Avatar all the main characters looked unique.

[CyberCubed]

Finished Season 1 and I quite liked the last few episodes. I'm actually disappointed Korra got all her bending restored in the finale. I was actually hoping she would struggle to regain all her bending in Season 2 overtime. While I liked seeing Aang again I think it would have been better if she slowly re-got her powers rather than all of them at once.

I don't know why the two brothers died. Amod would have been a good recurring villain for the series, but to kill him off after only 12 episodes? So unlike Avatar, this show has a different main villain every season? I thought his brother was just going to shock him and knock him out and bring him to justice, didn't expect him to blow themselves up.

Don't care at all for the shipping. So first Mako breaks his brothers heart and then Asami's? Kinda lame, and Korra is lame for that too. Also going from Asami to Korra is a bit of a downgrade, a true man would stick with the more beautiful woman. Korra may have huge boobs but Asami is beautiful and rich too. But this is a cartoon and not real life, alas.

Also what is up with Tenzin's huge family? The guy has 4 kids all close in age. What does he do, constantly knock up his wife every 9 months or so? Damn guy needs to be sterilized or something unless he's trying to repopulate the air-benders on the planet. Overall aside from the shipping and the pro-bending sports nonsense, I did enjoy Korra. I wonder what I will think of Book 2.

[ssjup81]

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/vid...th-dante-basco

Should be interesting. Nostalgia Critic's top 11 best Avatar eps and he has a hurst apparently. Dante Basco.

[MrTMNT2012]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

http://thatguywiththeglasses.com/vid...th-dante-basco

Should be interesting. His top 10 best Avatar eps.

Loved his analysis on 'The Storm.' Too bad the rest of the video was played for laughs though...

[Redeemer]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Finished Season 1 and I quite liked the last few episodes. I'm actually disappointed Korra got all her bending restored in the finale. I was actually hoping she would struggle to regain all her bending in Season 2 overtime. While I liked seeing Aang again I think it would have been better if she slowly re-got her powers rather than all of them at once.

I don't know why the two brothers died. Amod would have been a good recurring villain for the series, but to kill him off after only 12 episodes? So unlike Avatar, this show has a different main villain every season? I thought his brother was just going to shock him and knock him out and bring him to justice, didn't expect him to blow themselves up.

Don't care at all for the shipping. So first Mako breaks his brothers heart and then Asami's? Kinda lame, and Korra is lame for that too. Also going from Asami to Korra is a bit of a downgrade, a true man would stick with the more beautiful woman. Korra may have huge boobs but Asami is beautiful and rich too. But this is a cartoon and not real life, alas.

Also what is up with Tenzin's huge family? The guy has 4 kids all close in age. What does he do, constantly knock up his wife every 9 months or so? Damn guy needs to be sterilized or something unless he's trying to repopulate the air-benders on the planet. Overall aside from the shipping and the pro-bending sports nonsense, I did enjoy Korra. I wonder what I will think of Book 2.

Wow that is shallow

by the way Korra Season 4 is coming out first friday of October and will only be shown on Nick.com

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Don't care at all for the shipping. So first Mako breaks his brothers heart and then Asami's? Kinda lame, and Korra is lame for that too. Also going from Asami to Korra is a bit of a downgrade, a true man would stick with the more beautiful woman. Korra may have huge boobs but Asami is beautiful and rich too. But this is a cartoon and not real life, alas.

Classy.
I, for one, will sleep better knowing that you speak for all True Men.

[CyberCubed]

Let's be honest here, Asami's design is based on a stunningly gorgeous woman in their world. On top of that she's filthy rich.

Korra in comparison is a good looking girl with a large chest, but she looks like a country bumpkin in comparison. If this was real life no way would any guy pass up Asami for Korra, I'm sorry but that's just not how it works.

Also in-universe, Mako's feelings for Korra never did make much sense either. He only started crushing on her after her brother did and it came out of nowhere because Korra forced herself on him.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Let's be honest here, Asami's design is based on a stunningly gorgeous woman in their world. On top of that she's filthy rich.

Korra in comparison is a good looking girl with a large chest, but she looks like a country bumpkin in comparison. If this was real life no way would any guy pass up Asami for Korra, I'm sorry but that's just not how it works.

Also in-universe, Mako's feelings for Korra never did make much sense either. He only started crushing on her after her brother did and it came out of nowhere because Korra forced herself on him.

..........

FYI, I'd prefer Korra cos she has a more fun personality.

[CyberCubed]

Asami is sweet and demure. She's basically a trophy wife.

[PAAATE]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Asami is sweet and demure. She's basically a trophy wife.

That's what I'm saying, Korra has a more fun personality :p

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Let's be honest here, Asami's design is based on a stunningly gorgeous woman in their world. On top of that she's filthy rich.

Korra in comparison is a good looking girl with a large chest, but she looks like a country bumpkin in comparison. If this was real life no way would any guy pass up Asami for Korra, I'm sorry but that's just not how it works.

Also in-universe, Mako's feelings for Korra never did make much sense either. He only started crushing on her after her brother did and it came out of nowhere because Korra forced herself on him.

Alert the presses: True Men are shallow, superficial, and gross opportunists.

[Leofan26]

I heard Mako x Korra was supposed to be giving what Katara x Zuko fans always wanted, man I remember those darker days. Back when Katara x Zuko fans were threatening the creators of the show for the pairing not becoming canon at the end of the series

However Mako x Korra didn't get the same positive feedback due to how things played out with Mako's character in both books. I'm not even sure how they'll be able to even become a couple due to what happened, they didn't even get that many scenes together in book three. They'd have to give us a time skip or some thing in order for me to believe it.

Asami's character arc is rather odd, tell me Cybs since your into book two now did you prefer her in book one or two?

[CyberCubed]

Wait a minute, Zuko/Katara was actually a thing?

I know it was teased a few times towards the end of the series but it was obvious not something that ever was going to happen. Aang/Katara's romance was built up throughout the whole series and we already knew Zuko had a girlfriend named Mei.

I mean it would make no sense for Katara to start falling for Zuko over Aang, and Zuko already had a girlfriend anyway. Man, did those crazy shippers really threaten the writers?

Please tell me people weren't that stupid.

[snake]

Originally Posted by CyberCubed

Wait a minute, Zuko/Katara was actually a thing?

I know it was teased a few times towards the end of the series but it was obvious not something that ever was going to happen. Aang/Katara's romance was built up throughout the whole series and we already knew Zuko had a girlfriend named Mei.

I mean it would make no sense for Katara to start falling for Zuko over Aang, and Zuko already had a girlfriend anyway. Man, did those crazy shippers really threaten the writers?

Please tell me people weren't that stupid.

Toph/Zukko is a thing. Why aren't you suprised?