Are Leo and Donnie more in tune to their human side than Mikey and Raph? - Page 2

*miru* · 10-04-2014, 10:36 PM

Mike is probably the most in tune with his animal side, as seen when tucking into his shell.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 10-04-2014, 11:20 PM

Not true, as they ALL do that. He just tends to act on instinct more than the others- Splinter even points this out to Donnie in Monkey Brains. He acts without thinking. However, I think it's his desire to fit in and have human friends (as he did in New Friend Old Enemy) shows that Mikey DOES see himself as more "human" than animal. He simply wants to be liked for himself.

And he also has compassion and sympathy for everyone, no matter what they look like or what they are- which is why he became friends with Leatherhead. He seems to trust more easily, and doesn't rush to judge others, unlike his brothers. Even Donnie has been guilty of this with Leatherhead! Also, Mikey has liked and felt compassion toward animals long before ICK. In the same episode where he befriended Bradford, he tried to befriend another human by bringing back the kitten he had rescued from the roof. The kitten was friendly until the owner freaked out- then it also freaked and ended up clinging to his back clawing angrily. It was played for laughs, but that scene clearly shows that he loves animals AND wants to fit in with humans.

*Warhorse* · 10-04-2014, 11:31 PM

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Not true, as they ALL do that. He just tends to act on instinct more than the others- Splinter even points this out to Donnie in Monkey Brains. He acts without thinking. However, I think it's his desire to fit in and have human friends (as he did in New Friend Old Enemy) shows that Mikey DOES see himself as more "human" than animal. He simply wants to be liked for himself.

And he also has compassion and sympathy for everyone, no matter what they look like or what they are- which is why he became friends with Leatherhead. He seems to trust more easily, and doesn't rush to judge others, unlike his brothers. Even Donnie has been guilty of this with Leatherhead! Also, Mikey has liked and felt compassion toward animals long before ICK. In the same episode where he befriended Bradford, he tried to befriend another human by bringing back the kitten he had rescued from the roof. The kitten was friendly until the owner freaked out- then it also freaked and ended up clinging to his back clawing angrily. It was played for laughs, but that scene clearly shows that he loves animals AND wants to fit in with humans.

But, if Mikey is so trusting and doesn't rush to judge, how come he was quick to call out to April "April, you need to pick your friends more carefully next time"

*ssjup81* · 10-05-2014, 01:57 AM

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But, if Mikey is so trusting and doesn't rush to judge, how come he was quick to call out to April "April, you need to pick your friends more carefully next time"

Probably a way for the writers to toss in that joke, but not too much time after that, he gives encouraging words about how she was just trying to help a friend.

That line actually fit the scene from a comedic perspective. Man, April herself could've said, but she got the "This is so messed up" line. I've always liked ironic humor...

*miru* · 10-05-2014, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Not true, as they ALL do that. He just tends to act on instinct more than the others- Splinter even points this out to Donnie in Monkey Brains. He acts without thinking. However, I think it's his desire to fit in and have human friends (as he did in New Friend Old Enemy) shows that Mikey DOES see himself as more "human" than animal. He simply wants to be liked for himself.

And he also has compassion and sympathy for everyone, no matter what they look like or what they are- which is why he became friends with Leatherhead. He seems to trust more easily, and doesn't rush to judge others, unlike his brothers. Even Donnie has been guilty of this with Leatherhead! Also, Mikey has liked and felt compassion toward animals long before ICK. In the same episode where he befriended Bradford, he tried to befriend another human by bringing back the kitten he had rescued from the roof. The kitten was friendly until the owner freaked out- then it also freaked and ended up clinging to his back clawing angrily. It was played for laughs, but that scene clearly shows that he loves animals AND wants to fit in with humans.

But Michaelangelo once went completely into his shell in TCRI.

*snake* · 10-05-2014, 11:19 AM

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But Michaelangelo once went completely into his shell in TCRI.

Also in Target:April O'Neil.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-05-2014, 05:38 PM

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But, if Mikey is so trusting and doesn't rush to judge, how come he was quick to call out to April "April, you need to pick your friends more carefully next time"

Well, I think he learned his lesson about trusting people too easily after the Bradford incident. And as for the line, it was a joke because later he consoled her and told her it wasn't her fault that all of that had happened.

As for the original topic here, I wouldn't say that Leo and Donnie are more in tune with their human side. I think they all have times where they act more human and associate themselves in that way rather than their turtle sides.

*Luckyday* · 10-05-2014, 06:11 PM

I always wonder how much of a culture shock that they will get if they ever meet other mutant turtles with all of the turtle's qualities but with none of the humanity. Would they feel embarrass or out of place? Maybe even more alone then they do now?

*BubblyShell22* · 10-06-2014, 07:44 AM

I definitely think they would feel out of place and possibly feel weird to know that there are others like them but who aren't really like them. But maybe they'd want to help these turtles gain humanity, too.

*Luckyday* · 10-06-2014, 08:43 AM

What if they don't want to change? That would be the equivalent of going to someone country and saying "Ok, you all have to speak English now and follow the book of God."

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 10-06-2014, 12:24 PM

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But Michaelangelo once went completely into his shell in TCRI.

And now they ALL have. Mikey was the first to be shown doing so, but obviously, they ALL have that ability. The other three did so in a recent ep in season two (I forget which one, now), so clearly, they can all do it. And in TCRI, Mikey only did it because they were about to use him as a battering ram, mostly since he was able to hold his breath longest. It had nothing to do with being in touch with his turtle side- he just got the "short straw, as it were.....

ShelleyQuick · 10-06-2014, 12:58 PM

I actually think it's adorable when they "retreat", mostly because it reminds how amazing turtles are to beging with(Part of the reason I love TMNT is because I LOVE turtles so much). I think we've seen Mikey, Raph and Donnie go in their shells, don't know about Leo, I don't think so though. I'm talking about the NickTurtles of course.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-06-2014, 05:03 PM

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What if they don't want to change? That would be the equivalent of going to someone country and saying "Ok, you all have to speak English now and follow the book of God."

Well, I'm not saying they would force them to change if they didn't want to, but I could see them trying to help out or maybe trying to understand why these turtles are here and why they aren't like them.

*IndigoErth* · 10-06-2014, 05:11 PM

In a way, the Turtles meeting other sentient turtles sans the humanity - and therefor I assume more animalistic still - might be sort of like us stepping foot into Planet of the Apes or running into 'cavemen,' and perhaps share a similar perspective as we might in that case.

Although us humans however of course would want to "civilize" them though if we haven't already learned well enough to leave well enough alone.

The Turtles I imagine would let them be though, given their own understanding of not wanting humans to intrude upon them, so why inflict intrusion on anyone else.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-06-2014, 05:15 PM

Yes that's exactly what I was getting at, though I can see Mikey maybe wanting them to act more like him and getting them to socialize more as that's the way he is.

*IndigoErth* · 10-06-2014, 05:27 PM

For Mikey's sake then I hope they'd be nothing like snapping turtles, else he might want to watch his hands if he doesn't want to lose one. If they don't want to go along with it, push them enough to upset them and it might be like Leatherhead going into wild mode, no thinking, just reaction.

And then our sentient human-like Turtles end up with a finger or two fewer than they even had in the first place.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-06-2014, 05:29 PM

Well, I'm sure he'd stop if his brothers told him to, but I just see him as the more sociable Turtle who would want to be friends with them and get to understand them more.

*Luckyday* · 10-06-2014, 05:30 PM

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Well, I'm not saying they would force them to change if they didn't want to, but I could see them trying to help out or maybe trying to understand why these turtles are here and why they aren't like them.

Okay, I can understand that.

It just one of the things that sounds like a bad idea at first glance until someone put a surprising deconstruction twist to it that's unexpected.

Like for example, if the boys actually met a girl turtle, would they even tell that she's a girl ( if her design is realistic to what a female would look like) or even be attracted to her since they're so use to our standard on what is considered to be attractive? I mean think about it. In sci fi, how often does the male hero hook with an alien that looks a human with ultra color skin tone?

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Well, I'm sure he'd stop if his brothers told him to, but I just see him as the more sociable Turtle who would want to be friends with them and get to understand them more.

If another turtle met Mikey, they would be scare off by him because of his toothy smile. In the human world, a smile just means that you're happy to see someone but in the animal world, smiling to a chimp could mean that you're angry. Showing teeth in general, is a sign of aggression.

Their turtle way of showing happiness of seeing someone they know or what to know is a slow head bob and if Mikey becomes too eager and bobs his head fast. He could unintentionally insult them which turns into a mess of miscommunication.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-07-2014, 07:28 AM

You know, I'd love to see something like that just to get Mikey's reaction.

Mikey: Dude, I was just being nice.

And as for the girl thing, if they would make it that realistic, that would be awesome for the Turtles to have that experience and be all confused about it. As long as she didn't have turtle breasts, I'd be okay with that.

*Luckyday* · 10-07-2014, 08:42 AM

Or hair. There something about seeing reptiles with hair that makes me angry and it always the long flowing mary sue hair. Ugh.

10-04-2014, 10:36 PM	#21
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	Mike is probably the most in tune with his animal side, as seen when tucking into his shell. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

10-04-2014, 11:20 PM	#22
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	Not true, as they ALL do that. He just tends to act on instinct more than the others- Splinter even points this out to Donnie in Monkey Brains. He acts without thinking. However, I think it's his desire to fit in and have human friends (as he did in New Friend Old Enemy) shows that Mikey DOES see himself as more "human" than animal. He simply wants to be liked for himself. And he also has compassion and sympathy for everyone, no matter what they look like or what they are- which is why he became friends with Leatherhead. He seems to trust more easily, and doesn't rush to judge others, unlike his brothers. Even Donnie has been guilty of this with Leatherhead! Also, Mikey has liked and felt compassion toward animals long before ICK. In the same episode where he befriended Bradford, he tried to befriend another human by bringing back the kitten he had rescued from the roof. The kitten was friendly until the owner freaked out- then it also freaked and ended up clinging to his back clawing angrily. It was played for laughs, but that scene clearly shows that he loves animals AND wants to fit in with humans. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

10-06-2014, 07:44 AM	#29
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	I definitely think they would feel out of place and possibly feel weird to know that there are others like them but who aren't really like them. But maybe they'd want to help these turtles gain humanity, too. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-06-2014, 12:58 PM	#32
ShelleyQuick Foot Soldier Join Date: Sep 2014 Location: Spring Hill, Florida Posts: 134	I actually think it's adorable when they "retreat", mostly because it reminds how amazing turtles are to beging with(Part of the reason I love TMNT is because I LOVE turtles so much). I think we've seen Mikey, Raph and Donnie go in their shells, don't know about Leo, I don't think so though. I'm talking about the NickTurtles of course. __________________ Just a small town girl in a great big world.

10-06-2014, 05:15 PM	#35
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Yes that's exactly what I was getting at, though I can see Mikey maybe wanting them to act more like him and getting them to socialize more as that's the way he is. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-06-2014, 05:11 PM	#34
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	In a way, the Turtles meeting other sentient turtles sans the humanity - and therefor I assume more animalistic still - might be sort of like us stepping foot into Planet of the Apes or running into 'cavemen,' and perhaps share a similar perspective as we might in that case. Although us humans however of course would want to "civilize" them though if we haven't already learned well enough to leave well enough alone. The Turtles I imagine would let them be though, given their own understanding of not wanting humans to intrude upon them, so why inflict intrusion on anyone else.

10-06-2014, 05:27 PM	#36
IndigoErth Team Blue Boy Join Date: Jun 2014 Location: U.S., East Coast Posts: 16,295	For Mikey's sake then I hope they'd be nothing like snapping turtles, else he might want to watch his hands if he doesn't want to lose one. If they don't want to go along with it, push them enough to upset them and it might be like Leatherhead going into wild mode, no thinking, just reaction. And then our sentient human-like Turtles end up with a finger or two fewer than they even had in the first place.

10-06-2014, 05:29 PM	#37
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Well, I'm sure he'd stop if his brothers told him to, but I just see him as the more sociable Turtle who would want to be friends with them and get to understand them more. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-07-2014, 07:28 AM	#39
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	You know, I'd love to see something like that just to get Mikey's reaction. Mikey: Dude, I was just being nice. And as for the girl thing, if they would make it that realistic, that would be awesome for the Turtles to have that experience and be all confused about it. As long as she didn't have turtle breasts, I'd be okay with that. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.