If you could only change one aspect of the Nick series, what would it be? - Page 2

*Refractive Reflections* · 10-12-2014, 02:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

That's what I mean. The show DOES have the April/Don, Casey/April and Leo/Karai thing going on. It's not a made-up thing the fans made up.

Shipping is stuff NOT in the show that fans made up. Like whoa, Raph called Karai hot so there must be a Raph/Karai thing. Or hey, April said more than two words to Leo, so there must be a Leo/April thing going on. Slash/Karai, Tiger Claw/Karai, Raph/random blonde woman we see running around the city sometimes, April/pizza boy. etc

Okay...

I get it. I guess I need to brush up on my fan terminology.

Maybe I should have said, "The Crushes and Love Triangle(s)" then...? I thought "romance" was too strong of a term to use there since it implies a strong and intense affair between two people, and not one-sided like a crush.

*ssjup81* · 10-12-2014, 02:40 AM

Some more plot amnesia. I hate the fact they seem to forget that Donnie has a blade in his staff. I really wish he'd use it more, or find ways to have him use it more.

*Powder* · 10-12-2014, 02:51 AM

Kraang invasion plot (which for me, includes the mutant of the week type stuff). They're hilarious, imposing & well designed, a real threat, unique in personality, totally like them. I just see waaayyy too much of them, & it usually feels somewhat re-hashed, at that. The season finales especially. Fill up some of that Kraang time with more introspective "hanging out" episodes, so we can get to know each turtle a little more intimately, & maybe some turtle tot flashback episodes (there's a lot of turtle history we don't know! How'd they pick their masks & weapons? Training missions? etc). Or just continuously include more villains of another variety. Chinese vampires. Kung fu school on vacation. Mystics. Witch Doctors. Magicians from the east. Mirage had all kinds of funky human & otherworldly baddies you could take influence from or even reboot. Mobsters from the OT would be another awesome sect to go up against.

*Metalwolf* · 10-12-2014, 03:27 AM

I voted Other.

I would give Shredder's goons have a bit more background and character. We barely know anything about them beyond an extremely brief bio, and we don't see them enough for them anymore to develop character. They seemed to have a lot of it when in Season 1 when they were interacting with the Turtles regularly, but this seems to largely stagnate and degrade once they got into Season 2.

a. Xever had a bit of personality. He wasn't a nice guy but was willing to put the rivalry on hold until they got out of Baxter's maze. He didn't like being a fish mutant, and longed to be human again so he could have his old life back. In Season 2 post-Wormquake, he's become a shallow version of his old self, only showing a very generic tough guy persona while being an unquestioning lackey of the Shredder. He also barely gets any lines anymore ( if he's even shown) where pre-Wormquake, he had a lot more.

b.Bradford had a bit of personality too. He was a rich snob, probably was used to having things practically served to him on a silver platter, which didn't help much towards making him a nice guy. Once mutated he didn't really care for his mutant form, and pretty much blamed it for his repeated failings. Like Xever he wanted to be returned to normal but for different reasons i.e his mutant form was sucky for ninja stuff. Once he became Rahzar it looked like he would become a stronger and meaner version of his old self, somebody who could be reckoned with. Instead during and after Wormquake, he devolved into a largely nerfed, generic 'beast' character that shows little character other then being unflinchingly loyal to Shredder. Aside from one episode post-Wormquake (Baxter's Lonely Mutation) he's shone little of his own personality anymore.

c. Tigerclaw, while being a recent addition, hasn't seemed to degrade to the degree of the first two. It might be that he hasn't been replaced (yet), but it could be that he has a way of being seemingly more versatile then the other two. He also even showed his concern to Shredder over Shredder's desire to align with the Kraang, which shows he isn't some guy who just blindly follows orders without question. However, we still don't know much about this guy, and him not attempting a coup on Shredder over the essentially suicidal pact still makes me think he needs a bit more given to him other then another mere follower. The Kraang aren't going to honor an agreement by someone they view as a mere insect, so heck, why is he even staying?

*drgon78* · 10-12-2014, 06:07 AM

I choose other because...
-Irma being a Kraang bot was very disappointing.
-The Shellacne episode.
-Mikey's extremely stupid moments and lack empathy moments.
-The Pizza Face episode wasn't a dream.
-Donnie as a car demon.
-Looks like I will be adding something else from season 3 soon.
-Raph's lack of compassion for humans.

*ssjup81* · 10-12-2014, 06:20 AM

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Originally Posted by drgon78

I choose other because...
-Irma being a Kraang bot was very disappointing.
-The Shellacne episode.
-Mikey's extremely stupid moments and lack empathy moments.
-The Pizza Face episode wasn't a dream.
-Donnie as a car demon.
-Looks like I will be adding something else from season 3 soon.
-Raph's lack of compassion for humans.

Sorry, I still think that Pizzaface was a dream. Too many things about it didn't make sense unless it was a dream and since I'm so convinced it's a dream (unless it's confirmed for sure that it's not), I'll share again...^_^

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Originally Posted by ssjup81

I know it's slightly off topic, but this is why I think Pizzaface was all a dream, the first being that it was supposed to have been originally aired after The Wrath of Tigerclaw.

The pizza Mikey made was gross. I couldn't see him making such a pizza with those inedible toppings, especially the rat, unless it was for ICK. lol
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Donnie. He mentioned that he'd been trying to contact April for a long time, who was obviously supposed to have met up with him and the others, but she wasn't answering her T-Phone. Tigerclaw was still around as well as the Kraang. She is still a target after all.

If he'd been trying to contact her for hours and didn't get an answer that entire time seems it would've alarmed him and the others. He said this openly with Leo and Raph in earshot range. Nothing.

Later on, after they order the pizza, he's sparring with Leo and Raph like it was nothing, so yeah, I found that really unusual as it's out of the ordinary for her not to answer, which was pointed out by Kirby himself in Wrath of Tigerclaw.
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The mutant pizzas. First time Mikey fought the pizza, slices and pieces of it going everywhere and he only had that one slice, trying to get the others to believe him.

Later, though the pizza is whole again, even though it shouldn't have been.

I thought it was just a mistake, but it happened again later when the other three and Splinter ate all of the pizza. The pizzas were whole again, which shouldn't have been the case because they'd already eaten them.
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Mikey unable to take a proper photo with his T-Phone. When they introduced it back in season 1, Mikey figured out how to play games on it with no trouble at all. How could he not figure out the camera?
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Mikey's nightmare statement.
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When interrogating that one pizza, he pulled off a pepperoni and ate it. He didn't become possessed or anything, but maybe it was because he didn't eat the cheese....

Nah, because later he did. He was trapped on the wall and ate his way through and then ate Pizzaface. All of the mutant pizzas were made from him and everyone who ate it or was attacked by it became pizza zombies. Why not Mikey?
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Leo and Raph were hit really hard. They should've been bruised in some way.
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April should have stains on her clothes.
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At the end, the Pizzaface slice talks...after Mikey goes back to sleep.

So yeah, this is why I interpreted the whole ep as a dream, especially after finding out it was aired out of order. I felt this way before I knew, especially because of Donnie not worrying over April.

*JTH* · 10-12-2014, 06:41 AM

There's not really anything I would change for the simple reason that nothing I would replace it with would make anything really better than what it is. Everything really does fit with what they've done.

But if I could change one thing, it would be April's backstory with the Kraang and just have her not to that extent. You can keep the senses, the powers and such, but as soon as they said "Kraang DNA" and "half alien"... OOH it made me hate Kraang Conspiracy so bad!

*Coola Yagami* · 10-12-2014, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JTH

There's not really anything I would change for the simple reason that nothing I would replace it with would make anything really better than what it is. Everything really does fit with what they've done.

But if I could change one thing, it would be April's backstory with the Kraang and just have her not to that extent. You can keep the senses, the powers and such, but as soon as they said "Kraang DNA" and "half alien"... OOH it made me hate Kraang Conspiracy so bad!

But then where would she get her powers and senses from?

This_is_my_username · 10-12-2014, 09:11 AM

I've always found The Love Triangle becomes tedious for many fans far quicker than for the writers. However, it's clearly a popular and easy device for almost everything, and provides easy food for a hungry fan. I'm a mild critic of it in the series.

*miru* · 10-12-2014, 11:03 AM

The infamous Irma scene. We need more females in the show.

*ssjup81* · 10-12-2014, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by miru

The infamous Irma scene. We need more females in the show.

Why is that exactly?

*snake* · 10-12-2014, 01:23 PM

Probably some consistancy to the Kraang or April's powers.

*Netkeeper* · 10-12-2014, 01:31 PM

Initially, this was a bit of a tough choice between the depiction of the characters and the shipping, but my biggest problem is with Donnie's depiction, and my biggest problem with Donnie's depiction is how he acts around April. Not to mention the other shippy things going on here.

The show would actually be watchable for me if the shipping was removed. Which is unfortunate, since I normally quite like it. But these writers just cannot do it. Leave that to the fandom, please. I wouldn't vote to improve it. Just take it out.

Not that I wouldn't still have complaints, but at least I could find the show enjoyable on the whole.

HotNunchuckFury · 10-12-2014, 03:10 PM

I don't really like the April/Kraang connection, but I voted Love Triangles because that is so much worse and crops up so frequently. It's completely ruining this version of Donnie for me, who I otherwise like. Overall I love the show, just wish they'd drop the romance, it was never needed.

*BubblyShell22* · 10-13-2014, 08:23 AM

Definitely the plot amnesia for me. I think that's the one flaw this show has and I do hope they resolve it soon. I do like the change of scenery for season 3 though and can't wait to see what else happens at the farm. I'm definitely hoping for more character development as the Turtles heal.

Donnieangelo · 10-13-2014, 09:22 AM

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Originally Posted by Netkeeper

Initially, this was a bit of a tough choice between the depiction of the characters and the shipping, but my biggest problem is with Donnie's depiction, and my biggest problem with Donnie's depiction is how he acts around April. Not to mention the other shippy things going on here.

The show would actually be watchable for me if the shipping was removed. Which is unfortunate, since I normally quite like it. But these writers just cannot do it. Leave that to the fandom, please. I wouldn't vote to improve it. Just take it out.

Not that I wouldn't still have complaints, but at least I could find the show enjoyable on the whole.

They should've done it in a more platonic way, I guess.

TerranigmaFreak · 10-13-2014, 09:40 AM

Character shipping/love triangle.

MaximeLoonatic · 10-13-2014, 10:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Shark_Blade

I would let Dominic continue voicing as Leo (I'm still trying to get used to Seth's voice though).

I would delete Timothy's existence from ever happening. They could just like found Mutagen Man already mutated and that's good enough.

I would show human Irma being captured and hidden by Kraangs.

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Oh, you mean only one?

.... Irma then. I want that girl back with the gang.

I agree with that!

The character was well designed, her sassyness was great and April needs someone from her life (besides Casey) that it's not mutated or robotized.

*neatoman* · 10-13-2014, 10:19 AM

Fewer incidental characters would be nice.

coxfire · 10-13-2014, 10:32 AM

I know it is a kid show, but I'd like it to be more mature, sometimes, with the way they handle the humor but also the characters. A deeper character "analysis" would be interesting.
As for the shipping: I don't mind the idea of Apritello (I don't care, TBH), but the way they go at it with the triangle and how it impacts Donnie's character isn't that good
I'd like to see more interactions of Splinter with Turtles other than Leo, too. He needs more guidance because he's the leader, but the rest of the guys are still 16 year-old boys, they do need him too.

View Poll Results: What one thing needs to be changed (removed or improved) THE MOST in the Nick series?
The Kraang Invasion Plot	1	1.52%
April's Backstory involving the Kraang	3	4.55%
The Shredder-Karai-Splinter Plot	0	0%
The Shipping and Love Triangle(s)	24	36.36%
Depiction of the Characters, or lack of screen time for one/some of them	7	10.61%
Abundance of Mutants and/or the Type of Mutants	5	7.58%
Plot/Arc Amnesia (Forgetting/Ignoring the storywriting details)	7	10.61%
Type of Comedy	2	3.03%
Overall Tone, Direction, or Pacing of the Series	3	4.55%
Voice Acting	1	1.52%
The CGI Animation	1	1.52%
Other (Explain in Post)	8	12.12%
Minimal to no complaints/suggestions, it's ALL great!	4	6.06%
Voters: 66. You may not vote on this poll

10-12-2014, 03:27 AM	#24
Metalwolf Mad Scientist Join Date: Jun 2012 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,563	I voted *Other.* I would give Shredder's goons have a bit more background and character. We barely know anything about them beyond an extremely brief bio, and we don't see them enough for them anymore to develop character. They seemed to have a lot of it when in Season 1 when they were interacting with the Turtles regularly, but this seems to largely stagnate and degrade once they got into Season 2. a. Xever had a bit of personality. He wasn't a nice guy but was willing to put the rivalry on hold until they got out of Baxter's maze. He didn't like being a fish mutant, and longed to be human again so he could have his old life back. In Season 2 post-Wormquake, he's become a shallow version of his old self, only showing a very generic tough guy persona while being an unquestioning lackey of the Shredder. He also barely gets any lines anymore ( if he's even shown) where pre-Wormquake, he had a lot more. b.Bradford had a bit of personality too. He was a rich snob, probably was used to having things practically served to him on a silver platter, which didn't help much towards making him a nice guy. Once mutated he didn't really care for his mutant form, and pretty much blamed it for his repeated failings. Like Xever he wanted to be returned to normal but for different reasons i.e his mutant form was sucky for ninja stuff. Once he became Rahzar it looked like he would become a stronger and meaner version of his old self, somebody who could be reckoned with. Instead during and after Wormquake, he devolved into a largely nerfed, generic 'beast' character that shows little character other then being unflinchingly loyal to Shredder. Aside from one episode post-Wormquake (Baxter's Lonely Mutation) he's shone little of his own personality anymore. c. Tigerclaw, while being a recent addition, hasn't seemed to degrade to the degree of the first two. It might be that he hasn't been replaced (yet), but it could be that he has a way of being seemingly more versatile then the other two. He also even showed his concern to Shredder over Shredder's desire to align with the Kraang, which shows he isn't some guy who just blindly follows orders without question. However, we still don't know much about this guy, and him not attempting a coup on Shredder over the essentially suicidal pact still makes me think he needs a bit more given to him other then another mere follower. The Kraang aren't going to honor an agreement by someone they view as a mere insect, so heck, why is he even staying? Last edited by Metalwolf; 10-12-2014 at 03:35 AM.

10-12-2014, 09:11 AM	#29
This_is_my_username Random Punk Join Date: Jan 2012 Posts: 30	I've always found The Love Triangle becomes tedious for many fans far quicker than for the writers. However, it's clearly a popular and easy device for almost everything, and provides easy food for a hungry fan. I'm a mild critic of it in the series. __________________ "You already have a bow tie collection." "And your lizard stuff!" "I know, but every lizard has a bow tie and lizard stuff collection."

10-12-2014, 11:03 AM	#30
miru Mad Scientist Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,874	The infamous Irma scene. We need more females in the show. __________________ Proud Digimon nut.

10-12-2014, 01:31 PM	#33
Netkeeper tactical blackquill Join Date: May 2014 Location: Texas, but not for much longer Posts: 3,645	Initially, this was a bit of a tough choice between the depiction of the characters and the shipping, but my biggest problem is with Donnie's depiction, and my biggest problem with Donnie's depiction is how he acts around April. Not to mention the other shippy things going on here. The show would actually be watchable for me if the shipping was removed. Which is unfortunate, since I normally quite like it. But these writers just cannot do it. Leave that to the fandom, please. I wouldn't vote to improve it. Just take it out. Not that I wouldn't still have complaints, but at least I could find the show enjoyable on the whole. __________________

10-12-2014, 02:40 AM	#22
ssjup81 Foot Elite Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Central Virginia (Back in the US) Posts: 4,734	Some more plot amnesia. I hate the fact they seem to forget that Donnie has a blade in his staff. I really wish he'd use it more, or find ways to have him use it more.

10-12-2014, 02:51 AM	#23
Powder 40 Years of TMNT Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Shell-Ri-La Posts: 26,956	Kraang invasion plot (which for me, includes the mutant of the week type stuff). They're hilarious, imposing & well designed, a real threat, unique in personality, totally like them. I just see waaayyy too much of them, & it usually feels somewhat re-hashed, at that. The season finales especially. Fill up some of that Kraang time with more introspective "hanging out" episodes, so we can get to know each turtle a little more intimately, & maybe some turtle tot flashback episodes (there's a lot of turtle history we don't know! How'd they pick their masks & weapons? Training missions? etc). Or just continuously include more villains of another variety. Chinese vampires. Kung fu school on vacation. Mystics. Witch Doctors. Magicians from the east. Mirage had all kinds of funky human & otherworldly baddies you could take influence from or even reboot. Mobsters from the OT would be another awesome sect to go up against.

10-12-2014, 06:07 AM	#25
drgon78 Mad Scientist Join Date: Apr 2013 Posts: 2,408	I choose other because... -Irma being a Kraang bot was very disappointing. -The Shellacne episode. -Mikey's extremely stupid moments and lack empathy moments. -The Pizza Face episode wasn't a dream. -Donnie as a car demon. -Looks like I will be adding something else from season 3 soon. -Raph's lack of compassion for humans.

10-12-2014, 06:41 AM	#27
JTH "ME" Join Date: Mar 2013 Posts: 1,660	There's not really anything I would change for the simple reason that nothing I would replace it with would make anything really better than what it is. Everything really does fit with what they've done. But if I could change one thing, it would be April's backstory with the Kraang and just have her not to that extent. You can keep the senses, the powers and such, but as soon as they said "Kraang DNA" and "half alien"... OOH it made me hate Kraang Conspiracy so bad!

10-12-2014, 01:23 PM	#32
snake Disgusting Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Outer Heaven Posts: 12,231	Probably some consistancy to the Kraang or April's powers.

10-12-2014, 03:10 PM	#34
HotNunchuckFury Foot Soldier Join Date: May 2014 Location: UK Posts: 160	I don't really like the April/Kraang connection, but I voted Love Triangles because that is so much worse and crops up so frequently. It's completely ruining this version of Donnie for me, who I otherwise like. Overall I love the show, just wish they'd drop the romance, it was never needed.

10-13-2014, 08:23 AM	#35
BubblyShell22 Leo-holic Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Indiana Posts: 16,912	Definitely the plot amnesia for me. I think that's the one flaw this show has and I do hope they resolve it soon. I do like the change of scenery for season 3 though and can't wait to see what else happens at the farm. I'm definitely hoping for more character development as the Turtles heal. __________________ "A warrior who never fails, never learns."-The Ancient One. "Embrace your inner a**holiness."-Mr. Anderson.

10-13-2014, 09:40 AM	#37
TerranigmaFreak Stone Warrior Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 715	Character shipping/love triangle. __________________ First footage of the new R rated TMNT movie.

10-13-2014, 10:32 AM	#40
coxfire Random Punk Join Date: Aug 2014 Posts: 24	I know it is a kid show, but I'd like it to be more mature, sometimes, with the way they handle the humor but also the characters. A deeper character "analysis" would be interesting. As for the shipping: I don't mind the idea of Apritello (I don't care, TBH), but the way they go at it with the triangle and how it impacts Donnie's character isn't that good I'd like to see more interactions of Splinter with Turtles other than Leo, too. He needs more guidance because he's the leader, but the rest of the guys are still 16 year-old boys, they do need him too.