Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows

[ZariusTwo]

Remember a couple of days ago, when Spider-Man writer Dan Slott tweeted for fans to set their watch for their next Spider-Man freakout? I think the timer just went off.

Marvel Comics has released the latest of their summer 2015 teasers (via EW), and boy is this one going to get Spider-Man fans riled up.

The teaser, from artist Andy Kubert, is for The Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows, and features Spider-Man and Mary Jane – with a child.

Peter Parker and Mary Jane Watson were originally married in the 1987 comic book Amazing Spider-Man #21. Many higher ups at Marvel, including Chief Creative Officer Joe Quesada, have publicly stated that the marriage was a misstep that locked Peter Parker into a box that he could never quite get out of.

Then, in 2006, Quesada drew the controversial story arc One More Day, which saw Peter Parker sacrifice his marriage, in a deal with Mephisto, in order to save the life of Aunt May. The marriage wasn’t just undone, but history was entirely rewritten so that Peter and Mary Jane never go hitched in the first place.

And then there’s the child. To drive the severity of the issue home, Mephisto gave Peter Parker and Mary Jane a glimpse at the daughter they’d never have because they never got married. Is Renew Your Vows a look into an alternate future were Peter Parker made a different choice?

There’s also the 1990s story where Mary Jane becomes pregnant with Peter’s child, until the Green Goblin drugs her and steals the baby (‘90s comics everybody). This dangling plot thread would eventually lead to the creation of Mayday Parker – Spider-Girl – in an alternate universe where the child was born. Could this be a way for Marvel to introduce Mayday to the 616? Seems we’ll have to wait until next summer to find out.

This is the latest in a series of event teasers that Marvel has released over the past few weeks. Previous teasers include Civil War, Age of Ultron vs. Marvel Zombies, Years of Future Past, Planet Hulk, Armor Wars, House of M, The Infinity Gauntlet,Old Man Logan, Inhumans: Attilan Rising, Ultimate Universe: The End, Age of Apocalypse and Future Imperfect.

Many are assuming that these events have some connection to the Secret Wars mega-event that was announced at New York Comic Con, but Marvel has yet to confirm those theories.

http://comicbook.com/2014/10/30/marv...ir-vows-in-su/

I want to trust them with this...but if anything, I think this does lend credibility to the rumors Marvel will just give everyone in 616 happy endings and reboot

[MikeandRaph87]

Educated guess would be a relaunch of Spider-Girl Peter and Mary Jane's daughter. That would mean Marvel is publishing a book where they are married just not in a mainstream title.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

Educated guess would be a relaunch of Spider-Girl Peter and Mary Jane's daughter. That would mean Marvel is publishing a book where they are married just not in a mainstream title.

Marvel's editor has claimed the 2015 summer events are not alternate realitys and that everything is going to count, also Mayday was never a redhead, which the child in the teaser image for this is, and she's far too young here to be a superhero, so no, I think this is strictly a Spider-Man story and not leading to an out-of-continuity book.

It could be 616 will reboot and they're just tying up loose ends for their characters (I hear Daredevil is having his sight restored soon as well) before doing so.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Oh, please let this be true! I've been waiting for YEARS for them to fix the colossal mistake of undoing the marriage, and I'd like to think that the daughter from the OMD arc will eventually be born. This is (hopefully) good news!!

[TurtleTitan97]

Well its about time!

[MikeandRaph87]

Sorry, its just easy to be skeptical with the way the big run things. The long held rumor about the Fantastic Four being put on hiatus tuned out to be true. While I do believe you its just I don't want to get my hopes up. I though May Day Parker was in that image? How can a daughter appear out of thin air and make Peter and Mary Jane feel obligated to get married? One More Day daughter? There was the one during the messy clone saga that the waitress caused to be stillborn but I don't know about that. I only got ASM#645 to read what the whole marriage erasure was all about so I did not get the whole story or read the immediate fallout.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MikeandRaph87

I though May Day Parker was in that image?

We don't know if this girl is the daughter that MJ apparently miscarried in the Clone Saga, it was always implied she was abducted and not killed, which the Spider-Girl writers went with when they launched her own book, she could also be the second child Peter and MJ would have had if they had said no to Mephisto (as OMD implied MJ was pregnant via a scene where she had morning sickness)

All we know is that, according to Marvel, the events in 2015 all count and occur in "real time" as opposed to "Marvel time" (aka no sliding time-scale) that could mean a variety of things, possibly even that the events of 2007-2014 will be retconned and weaved around a timeline where Peter and MJ stayed married, their daughter would be seven years old in "real time" so just about the right age for that picture

[MsMarvelDuckie]

If that's the case, I might actually start reading it again. I was so completely frustrated and angry when the OMIT arc effectively slapped all of us fans of the marriage in the face, that I basically stopped reading it almost completely, since it was quite obvious by then that Quesada and his current crop of writers never had any intention of getting them back together, and were simply stringing fans along to get their hopes up for an eventual reunion. The thought that a comic book's higher ups would stoop that low- basically leading the story along by the nose in their preferred direction- just really didn't sit well with me, and I've mostly given up on Spidey since then. I had HOPED that someone would eventually pick up that story thread somewhere down the road, but why did it take them THIS LONG??!! Just stupid and arrogant, IMHO. Maybe they finally caved to the tidal wave of backlash and realized the fans can't just be ignored or made to endure plot directions they don't like forever. It's about time....

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I had HOPED that someone would eventually pick up that story thread somewhere down the road, but why did it take them THIS LONG??!!

I think the fact they've had to relaunch the book twice now has something to do with it.

It might just be something to do with the editors of the Spidey books changing hands also, with Wacker moving on to Marvel Animation, Nick Lowe took over and in no time at all we're getting things like new characters in Silk and Spider-Gwen, an increase in female-led Spider titles, Mayday returning, and now this.

Keep in mind that, as soon as Quesada was promoted to CCO and away from the EIC seat in 2011, Slott quickly removed Carlie Cooper as a love interest barely a year after she became one, and routinely 'ship-teased Peter and MJ, only interupting it with the Superior plotline, (although, in that story, he proceeded to make everyone look like a bigger tool than they were in the BND run, OMIT included), it's hard to predict where he stands on things, but if an order has come down on high to restore things, maybe Disney are concerned about the implications of a flagship brand of theirs being in leauge with Satan

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Ah, interesting. I wasn't aware of the (I'm guessing recent) changes in the editorship and other stuff. I'm glad to hear of the new additions, and Carlie being kicked to the curb. She's nice, but I just didn't see her with him long term. I've missed quite a bit, it seems. Who is Silk? Spider-Gwen? WTF??!! I guess I may have some catching up to do now.

I'm glad to see Mayday getting her book back. I kind of liked the Spider-Girl book, as it was a nice alternate take on Peter's life. And May herself was a fun, interesting, and well-written character.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Ah, interesting. I wasn't aware of the (I'm guessing recent) changes in the editorship and other stuff. I'm glad to hear of the new additions, and Carlie being kicked to the curb. She's nice, but I just didn't see her with him long term. I've missed quite a bit, it seems. Who is Silk? Spider-Gwen? WTF??!! I guess I may have some catching up to do now.

Oh yeah, just look in this section and you'll find a thread about Spider-Gwen. She's from a paralel universe where the spider bit HER, Peter became the Lizard in her reality and died fighting her, and she got blamed so she's hunted by the police. She revealed her identity to her father, and now she's helping the Spider-Men fight Morlun and the Inheritors in Spider-Verse

Silk is basically a girl who was bitten by the same Spider that bit Peter (yes, an origin retcon) and was kept locked in a building for thirteen years by Ezekiel until Peter found her. Silk and Peter, sharing the same bite and powers, develop a primal sexual attraction to each other and constantly make out (no, I am not joking)

Silk's a bit of a mary sue, and a worse one than Carlie under Slott's writing, but that may change once she's phased out of Peter's book.

I'm glad to see Mayday getting her book back. I kind of liked the Spider-Girl book, as it was a nice alternate take on Peter's life. And May herself was a fun, interesting, and well-written character.

...Oh boy...I don't think you want to know what Slott's done to her...

Spoiler:

Basicly, he had the Inheritors kill her parents and boyfriend (although MJ and Wes's fates are left ambigious) Mayda makes it out with her brother, and then vows to break every moral rule her father had ever taught her and kill the one responsible

[ZariusTwo]

"Renew Your Vows" is one of many realitys that will form a nation of the new Battleworld in the Secret Wars event

[ZariusTwo]

Fans curious about this event will want to pick up a copy of Spider-Verse#2, out today, there's a story that takes place during the climax of the event (still a month or so away) and it features

Spoiler:

Two Spider-Men trying to figure out what makes them different, one of them has a wedding ring on his finger, and the story ends with the caption "see more of one of these Spider-Men this summer"

So yeah, looking more like this isn't a reversal of the post-OMD universe, but an opportunity to provide some closure by showing what a version of that universe resembled with a married Spidey who didn't take the deal

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Darn it. Serves me right for getting my hopes up. Glad I'm not buying them anymore- I'd just be cursing myself for spending the money.

[Leo656]

So, basically, both DC and Marvel this year are trying to appease readers unhappy with the current direction by showing them a bunch of snippets of things they'd much prefer to see?

Comics are weird now. Things are weird when the best way they can sell you what they're doing Now is to remind you of what you'd rather see them do, things you liked a lot better 5-10 Years Ago.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Agreed. I lost faith in ASM after the One Moment In Time arc. Killed my interest in the "new" Spidey for the forsee-able future.

[ZariusTwo]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Comics are weird now. Things are weird when the best way they can sell you what they're doing Now is to remind you of what you'd rather see them do, things you liked a lot better 5-10 Years Ago.

I think the modus operandi of both companies, particulary with DC's choice of wording about Convergence's purpose ("closure"), is to try and gently tell the older readership to "go away" after this so they can pursue a more youthful market, and they feel like giving you a nostalgia pop will make you feel better about the kind of yarn they're spinning now.

Good stories make me feel better, consistency of character and not outright assassination make me feel better, and a continuity I can actually follow and not put myself through mental loops trying to figure it out makes me feel like a KING.

I can only hope, given Slott's tendency to play "Mr. Set Up" that this leads to a married Spidey spin-off title

[ZariusTwo]

"If you're an 'Amazing Spider-Man' reader, this is going to be your book," Alonso said, pointing to the teaser of a married Peter Parker and Mary Jane with a child.

http://www.comicbookresources.com/?p...ticle&id=58625

[ZariusTwo]

Are the events of Spider-Man's One More Day still a raw nerve for you? Well, Marvel is about to hit on it.

On Tuesday Marvel revealed new details behind eight of the domains listed in the Secret Wars Battleworld map. While six of them were pretty spot-on to our three-part countdown (Part 1, Part 2, Part 3) as to what they were, two -- The Regency and Hala Field -- came with some surprises.

The Regency was already known to be tying into Spider-Man given the promotional video with the "Renew Your Vows" teaser being connected to it, but Tuesday's reveal is that it's connected specifically to the One More Day period of Spider-Man's life. Marvel's description doesn't spoil that arc's ending, but does propose that in Secret Wars -- at least in this Battleworld domain -- that Peter Parker's deal with Mephisto may have not been made yet.

Marvel has yet to announce a series tied into this domain or this revisitation to One More Day, but in late January Amazing Spider-Man writer Dan Slott tweeted that he had just received "more" pages from Adam Kubert for a series titled Amazing Spider-Man: Renew Your Vows. Slott quickly deleted that tweet and Marvel declined to comment.

http://www.newsarama.com/23409-one-m...ap-update.html

[MsMarvelDuckie]

So they're telling us something by NOT telling us about it. Yay. I'm beyond caring at this point. They lost me as a reader for Spidey YEARS ago, and have only succeeded in insulting me as a fan since then. Thanks Quesada, you managed to utterly KILL the franchise by trying to make it "youthful and relevant"! < (The four stages of my interest in post-OMD Spidey.)