Dave Green in talks to direct TMNT 2

[Cure]

When Marvel fires people for not being yes men, it's all good. When Platinum Dunes MIGHT be hiring someone to be a yes man, they're the devil.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Marvel has a history of good (great) films, so I trust that they might be making the right decision to get rid of Edgar Wright (not that I like the decision).

Platinum Dunes cobbled together a horrific waste of film that could have just as easily been written by monkeys chained to keyboards, so I think it's fair to have some doubts regarding their director choice.

[IndigoErth]

Yeah, the competency of who's hiring/firing is at least a small factor.

If they ARE looking for someone they can control, why are they so afraid of finding talent they can trust it in the hands of.

[Anton Chigurh]

Look forget the bickering, let's all agree that it's good in the since that it's a NEW director and not JL, I was hyped for the movie, it turned out meh

But I do this moronic thing called benefit of the doubt. So hey maybe this guy's a true tmnt fan, maybe he will fight to make a good movie in spite of the producers, not a single friggin person on here knows, so why not hope for the best.

[TigerClaw]

I just hope they don't kiddify the sequel to much, Maybe the 2nd one should be dark or something.

Secret of the Ooze, While I enjoyed it, Had its flaws for being too kiddified, They toned down the use of there weapons after parents complained about the violence in the 1st.

The sequel should be a little more darker this time around, Make it the TMNT version of, The Empire Strikes Back or something.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Marvel has a history of good (great) films, so I trust that they might be making the right decision to get rid of Edgar Wright (not that I like the decision).

Platinum Dunes cobbled together a horrific waste of film that could have just as easily been written by monkeys chained to keyboards, so I think it's fair to have some doubts regarding their director choice.

Yep. Exactly.

I trust Marvel WAAAAAY more than I trust Paramount/Platinum Dunes, even given Marvel's few missteps in judgement(Mandarin, which they're apparently fixing).

Also, Guardians of the Galaxy totally won August.

[Anton Chigurh]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Yep. Exactly.

I trust Marvel WAAAAAY more than I trust Paramount/Platinum Dunes, even given Marvel's few missteps in judgement(Mandarin, which they're apparently fixing).

Also, Guardians of the Galaxy totally won August.

Finally got around to watching gotg, strongly agree, best marvel film to date IMHO

[Chris]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Platinum Dunes cobbled together a horrific waste of film that could have just as easily been written by monkeys chained to keyboards, so I think it's fair to have some doubts regarding their director choice.

Now that's just insulting to monkeys

[IndigoErth]

It's increased my hope for the next one by a smidge since a new guy could go in without the ego and sensitivity over being on the receiving end of the criticize of the first. Someone fresh who's been on the outside looking in like the rest of us and who I hope is taking notes. But we shall see.

[Bloodsucker]

Can we get the writers fired? I think not, but maybe we could.

If we can get a white shredder pulled, we can get new writers.

Let's go Team Technodrome! Lets stop fighting each other, and fight the real enemy! Come on people! let's do it together!

[TurtleTitan97]

Don't know how to feel about this. And I honestly don't care. I'm pretty much done with this part of the franchise after watching the first movie.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Bloodsucker

Can we get the writers fired? I think not, but maybe we could.

If we can get a white shredder pulled, we can get new writers.

Let's go Team Technodrome! Lets stop fighting each other, and fight the real enemy! Come on people! let's do it together!

We barely even got the white Shredder thing fixed. They were going full steam ahead on it until almost the last minute and then hastily shot reshoots "fixed" it.

And then they kept the stupid new origin and no Hamato Yoshi.

I have no idea what caused them to blink on the Shredder thing. Stuck to their guns on all their other bad ideas but scrambled to only cosmetically fix Shredder.

[Coola Yagami]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

We barely even got the white Shredder thing fixed. They were going full steam ahead on it until almost the last minute and then hastily shot reshoots "fixed" it.

And then they kept the stupid new origin and no Hamato Yoshi.

I have no idea what caused them to blink on the Shredder thing. Stuck to their guns on all their other bad ideas but scrambled to only cosmetically fix Shredder.

Probably cause compared to everything else it was just easier to film random asian dude one weekend and call it a day.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Coola Yagami

Probably cause compared to everything else it was just easier to film random asian dude one weekend and call it a day.

That's probably exactly it.

[turtlefanforever]

idk how to feel

are they changing the turtles designs? that would honestly make a worlds difference

[turtlefanforever]

Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

Don't know how to feel about this. And I honestly don't care. I'm pretty much done with this part of the franchise after watching the first movie.

so much this!

[Bloodsucker]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

We barely even got the white Shredder thing fixed. They were going full steam ahead on it until almost the last minute and then hastily shot reshoots "fixed" it.

And then they kept the stupid new origin and no Hamato Yoshi.

I have no idea what caused them to blink on the Shredder thing. Stuck to their guns on all their other bad ideas but scrambled to only cosmetically fix Shredder.

Had to be fans. Had to. We have a voice to fix it.

[pennydreadful]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

I have no idea what caused them to blink on the Shredder thing. Stuck to their guns on all their other bad ideas but scrambled to only cosmetically fix Shredder.

I'm betting that either the studio suits watched the rough cut, realized they had a hot mess on their hands and sh*t themselves, or there was a test screening where the audiences didn't respond favorably, the studio realized they had a hot mess on their hands and the studio suits sh*t themselves.

Simply put, studios do not always know what they're doing - I'd go so far as to say that the vast majority of the time, they don't, and a movie will succeed despite them instead of because of them.

You want a good example of studio interference when it comes to editing, take a look at The Crow: City of Angels. David S Goyer wrote a smoking hot script and it was shot as a completely different movie to what was actually released - a 160 minute worker's cut was submitted the studio, the studio freaked out and ordered that it be edited and have some reshots done so it could specifically be as close to the original as possible. The movie, of course, bombed.

[Bitsy83]

Siiiiigh....I knew the minute I saw this on Tumblr, this place would be on fire. Well, I guess I might as well add my share of kindling, but if I repeat anything, it's because I just skimmed over a lot the previous posts. I'm not going to call anyone out, but I can sense a lot of repeated messages of why this is a good/bad/horrific idea, so it's only fair that I add my two cents:

So. I guess the best way is to sum this news up into "Good News," "Bad News" and just...."News." In my honest opinion, anyway.

First the Good News: Liebesman is GONE! I know people weren't exactly singing his praises when he was signed on for this project, but I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. That's just me being positive, though. I can see why now so many people were against it. He may not have been BAY, but he was definitely Bay-ISH. His previous movies very much fall into the "Adrenaline pumping, action-packed" category and left little room for character development or plot. He didn't care what the writers gave him, so long as something blew up or there was chasing involved.

I know in an interview he said he was a TMNT fan, but if you ask me, it felt like he had more of an appreciation for the franchise than being an actual FAN. Like he knew it was huge in the 80s, he was aware of the basic story (turtles mutated into ninjas, trained by a rat, villain is Shredder) and knew the basic level of each Turtle: Leo was leader; Raph was the rebel; Donnie was smart; Mikey was wacky. This was why he didn't bother delving more into their personalities and just put them as token stereotypes.

So, I won't be losing any sleep for him being sent packing.

The Bad News: Bay is still on board. Yeeeup, I figured the movie made enough of a profit to let the studios keep this hack around, despite the fan base wanting his

Spoiler:

dick

on a pike. He may not be the best person to work with and could care less about a character or plot so long as SOMETHING blows up, but he must be doing something right if he can pull audiences in every time he produces action crap. Honestly, I don't hate his action stuff. His visual direction is pretty decent...I just want him staying away from directing people. This includes people in mo-cap outfits.

Which brings me to my last bit:

The News-News: Dave Green to direct sequel: Uuuuuumm.....good? Actually, better than good. This really fills me with hope.

While I haven't seen "Earth to Echo," I heard it was a decent enough movie. While it looked like the lovechild of "E.T." meets "Cloverfield," I can honestly say it looked sort of intriguing. Heck, I won't be ashamed to admit I want to see it, even if it is sort of cheesy. I remember the trailer how it looked kind of part cutsey and part action-y. The scene with the mack truck being ripped apart, then put back together was pretty for me.

EtE looked like it had something that the first movie didn't have: Heart.

That's what I really, really, REALLY wanted to see in the Bay movie guys. In fact, this is why I love TMNT in general. Whether it was the cartoons, the comics, or the movies (previous movies), TMNT had a lot of heart while still giving us good action. This isn't some team of random superheroes like X-men or Avengers. These are four brothers who share the same backstory, but have different personalities and character. They're a family who have to struggle with being outcasts and are forced to hide in the sewers instead of living it up in a mansion or fortress of solitude. They have no secret identities or superpowers and the world (for the most part) will always see them as monsters, but they still want to protect the city and the world.

I really hope Green can see this and want to make the Turtles more than just their basic stereotype persona. Donnie should still be the smart one, but maybe have insecurities about his role on the team. Mikey should still be the joker, but maybe want to use other means of solving problems instead of just fighting. I know this is corny, but I'm just trying to make a point. The first movie helped show a LITTLE of their character, but thanks to Bay and Libesman, they figured the tokens were enough and didn't need to focus on them as much as April and Sachs.

I know what you're all thinking: But Green isn't a big-name director. He's just a nobody who Bay can push around and make his bitch puppet.

Ok, two things people. (Again, this is my personal belief. I don't care if it sounds naive, but if you guys can argue your right to voice negative assumptions, I have the right to voice positive ones. So )

1) Steve Barron wasn't exactly a "big name" director either. Before he directed the first movie (you know, the movie the ENTIRE fan base declares to be the absolute best of the entire franchise?), he was doing short films and music videos. Let's not forget the original movie is still depicted as an INDEPENDENT movie. No big studios wanted to direct this. When it came out, kids ate it up like Mikey does with pizza. Adults, too! It was well written (though cheesy), depicted the characters well enough, and had a lot of memorable scenes with awesome puppetry. Maybe we NEED a "no name" director for this, only this time we have a "no name" who has worked with big studios.

2) Variety said how the studios want to take this in a "different direction." Even though the movie made a profit and the studios want to keep Bay on board, something tells me they won't give him AS MUCH freedom as he had before with Libesman. Bay may have the bucks, but in order to continue this franchise, he needs the studios to WANT to work with him. I may be getting my hopes up too high, but I have a feeling the studios REALLY didn't like how the fans reacted to the first movie. Maybe Hollywood is started to (slowly) understand that you need more than just car chases and buildings blowing up to make a good action movie. I think they might be finally putting a muzzle on Bay and just keep him around enough to get people invested.

I don't know how much of a fan Green is of TMNT, but if he's good at making action movies with heart, then we might get a good sequel. I just feel bad that he has to work with that mess Libesman and his crew left behind. Still, if he's willing to put his foot down whenever the script needs a rewrite or to cover up a plothole, then we can get some promising stuff for the sequel. I just hope we get more TURTLES and less APRIL. Plus, we might finally get a Dimension X story. I have a feeling that Shredder won't be back for THIS movie, but instead back by the third movie where Kraang and Shredder team up.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Bitsy83

He may not be the best person to work with and could care less about a character or plot so long as SOMETHING blows up, but he must be doing something right if he can pull audiences in every time he produces action crap.

Yeah, playing to the lowest common denominator and, then, sucking the d*ck of the Chinese audience in the previous Transformers movie.

The News-News: Dave Green to direct sequel: Uuuuuumm.....good? Actually, better than good. This really fills me with hope.

EtE looked like it had something that the first movie didn't have: Heart.

As long as Bay and the first movie's writers are on board, you won't get heart in the next one. Doesn't matter who is in the director's chair. You'll get more of the same.

Because it made them money.

Besides, according to imdb and wikipedia, Green wasn't involved in any way with the writing of Earth to Echo. Screenplay by Henry Gayden and story by Gayden and Andrew Panay.

1) Steve Barron wasn't exactly a "big name" director either. Before he directed the first movie (you know, the movie the ENTIRE fan base declares to be the absolute best of the entire franchise?), he was doing short films and music videos.

Steve Barron, from what I saw in the Turtle Power documentary, also had a very clear appreciation for the Turtles and the talent and vision to back it up. And he more than did.

If this was the directing choice for the FIRST movie I'd be more cautiously optimistic. But it's not. It's the sequel to a bad movie that the majority of the behind the scenes people are back for and they cast a guy with one mediocre found footage kids movie to his name?

That's yes man hiring. No matter how you slice it.

2) Variety said how the studios want to take this in a "different direction." Even though the movie made a profit and the studios want to keep Bay on board, something tells me they won't give him AS MUCH freedom as he had before with Libesman. Bay may have the bucks, but in order to continue this franchise, he needs the studios to WANT to work with him. I may be getting my hopes up too high, but I have a feeling the studios REALLY didn't like how the fans reacted to the first movie. Maybe Hollywood is started to (slowly) understand that you need more than just car chases and buildings blowing up to make a good action movie. I think they might be finally putting a muzzle on Bay and just keep him around enough to get people invested.

Yeah, no. He's made them money hand over fist with Transformers and now with TMNT. Although not as much with TMNT. Why do you think they put Bay in charge at the beginning of this thing in the first place? Getting rid of Liebesman only treats a symptom. It doesn't kill the disease.

Which is probably another reason why they got rid of Liebesman. Cutting costs. First movie didn't make AS MUCH as they hoped so now, instead of recognizing that maybe it didn't was because it was an awful movie, they're just going to start cutting expenses here and there. Hiring a no name director and keeping the original writers being the first steps.

I mean, Liebesman himself said that the cg was so expensive that they had to cut Turtle time down considerably to keep costs down. And now they're thinking about ALSO adding Bebop and Rocksteady(probably also motion capture) and bringing in a new actor in Casey Jones?

It's a nerd nostalgia publicity stunt. And I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt after churning out a crap product in the first place.