Clarification of Dark Leo and Dark Raph

[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

I hope not. I'm sick of Donnie being part of every one of the stories. I'd rather it be anyone but Donnie to be honest.

He isn't. Seriously, Donnie really isn't part if every plot. Yes, for the plots that count (Kraang) of course he'll be mainly connected to it because he's the tech and science guy. Leo will always have main plots tossed at him because he's the leader. Why do people act like this is new anyway? From my perspective it seems to have always been that way.

That aside, I wouldn't mind something close to this because Raph and Donnie haven't been shown bonding which is weird. You even said yourself that you wanted to see some brotherly moments or a change from Leo/Donnie Raph/Mikey. Make up your mind.

At least victory_angel's theory is well thought out and plausible. Should at least give her that much credit.

Personally, though, I'm hoping for it to be a group effort to get Raph back, but if say Mikey or Leo or Donnie or Casey or April or Splinter's contribution is the clencher in doing so, no problem.

It's like in Digimon Adventure when Sora's character ended up in thd dark world because of how upset she was and how depressed and despaired she became. Jou and Yamato were there to bring her back, trying to reach her, to get her out of that state, the darkness seeping out around her, practically trapping her. They couldn't even move her and her way of talking was becoming more negative and darker. Even though both boys gave words of encouragement to their friend, Yamato was the one who could bring her back completely with his words. It was a group effort, but Yamato's words were the clencher and the darkness left her, her eyes no longer lifeless, and the dark tunnel and cave that those feelings formed vanished.

I find that this is as a likely scenario as well. Everyone tries, but someone's specific words will be the main thing to bring him back...if it plays out that way anyway.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by ssjup81

He isn't. Seriously, Donnie really isn't part if every plot. Yes, for the plots that count (Kraang) of course he'll be mainly connected to it because he's the tech and science guy. Leo will always have main plots tossed at him because he's the leader. Why do people act like this is new anyway? From my perspective it seems to have always been that way.

That aside, I wouldn't mind something close to this because Raph and Donnie haven't been shown bonding which is weird. You even said yourself that you wanted to see some brotherly moments or a change from Leo/Donnie Raph/Mikey. Make up your mind.

At least victory_angel's theory is well thought out and plausible. Should at least give her that much credit.

Personally, though, I'm hoping for it to be a group effort to get Raph back, but if say Mikey or Leo or Donnie or Casey or April or Splinter's contribution is the clencher in doing so, no problem.

It's like in Digimon Adventure when Sora's character ended up in thd dark world because of how upset she was and how depressed and despaired she became. Jou and Yamato were there to bring her back, trying to reach her, to get her out of that state, the darkness seeping out around her, practically trapping her. They couldn't even move her and her way of talking was becoming more negative and darker. Even though both boys gave words of encouragement to their friend, Yamato was the one who could bring her back completely with his words. It was a group effort, but Yamato's words were the clencher and the darkness left her, her eyes no longer lifeless, and the dark tunnel and cave that those feelings formed vanished.

I find that this is as a likely scenario as well. Everyone tries, but someone's specific words will be the main thing to bring him back...if it plays out that way anyway.

I do want to see some Donnie and Raph bonding moments, but for something like this, I would prefer it be either Mikey or Leo that are part of the story. Leo's rival could be the thing that sparks the dark Raph, and Mikey's closeness to Raph could be what brings him back. Or perhaps a team effort, but I'm not going to count on that the way things have been panning out as of late.

[BubblyShell22]

I agree that I'd rather it be Leo, Mikey, or even Splinter who brings Raph back or maybe Karai, too. I do want to see more Raph/Donnie bonding, but I just think that either of the characters I mentioned would be more suited to bringing Raph back.

[PangolinFeets]

I have to agree here. I'm thinking Mikey. I still have my money on Donnie getting wrecked by Raph early on to take the 'Donnie ex Machina' out of the equation.

[BubblyShell22]

I could see Raph either hurting Donnie or possibly Leo.

[Vicky82]

I feel Mikey is going to be the main focus in the dark Raph story from and maybe getting seriously hurt in the process.

I think The Invasion is foreshadowing it as it was Mikey that calmed Raph down when his anger took over him. You could see Raph neally hit Mikey but Mikey timed it just right when he jumped in to hug Raph without getting hit.

Also there has been a lot of interaction between Raph and Mikey, which could be important to Raph turning dark and Mikey will do anything to get his brother back. In Within The Woods, you could see Mikey was angry at Creep for turning Raph into a plant.

With this Spirit Quest story coming out and I expect there be something important and have some foreshadowing for the Dark Raph story. Also Mikey is wood, Raph is fire, Fire burns wood which is another indicacton that Raph could hurt Mikey.

The Invasion was emotional in parts and I have a feeling that season 3 final is probably going to be 10 times more emotional.

Could you imagine how other people could be feeling after seeing a badly injured Mikey at the end of season 3, I know I will be really sad

[BubblyShell22]

Yeah and considering Mikey hasn't been seriously injured in the series yet, that would be very dramatic and sad.

[victory_angel]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Yeah and considering Mikey hasn't been seriously injured in the series yet, that would be very dramatic and sad.

Mikey was seriously injured in Wrath of Tiger Claw, he's shown recovering from his injuries in Pizza Face.

[ShelleyQuick]

Originally Posted by victory_angel

Mikey was seriously injured in Wrath of Tiger Claw, he's shown recovering from his injuries in Pizza Face.

He was also seriously injured in "New Girl In Town" and "Slash and Destroy"

I never realized he was recovering in "Pizza Face", no wonder he had such a wicked, weird dream. At least I'm hoping that it was a dream

[BubblyShell22]

Okay, that's true, but he's healed fast from those. I'm talking about an injury like with what happened with Leo where it would take him some time to recover.

[Meliwen]

While I hope there are some great scenes and individual focus for each of the brothers when Raph goes dark, I hope Mikey plays the biggest part in bringing Raph back. Leo and Donnie both have ongoing character arcs and ongoing conflicts specifically for them, which is something Raph and Mikey lack. Raph had something with Slash, but that ended way too quickly for my tastes, and Mikey just seems limited to one episode long stories. Since Raph will be getting this dark arc, which I hope lasts for a decent amount of time, then I think Mikey would benefit the most from some spotlight. Perhaps he can showcase more of his compassion, like what he showed when they met Leatherhead. Also I'm a bit biased for some Raph and Mikey brotherly bonding. That stuff's adorable.

Like the others have said, that one scene where Mikey calmed Raph down from his rage induced by the Shredder could possibly be foreshadowing, and I hope it is. I would also love it if the dark Raph arc lasts for a few episodes and ends as the season finale, or as part of the finale.

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[ssjup81]

Originally Posted by Meliwen

While I hope there are some great scenes and individual focus for each of the brothers when Raph goes dark, I hope Mikey plays the biggest part in bringing Raph back. Leo and Donnie both have ongoing character arcs and ongoing conflicts specifically for them, which is something Raph and Mikey lack. Raph had something with Slash, but that ended way too quickly for my tastes, and Mikey just seems limited to one episode long stories. Since Raph will be getting this dark arc, which I hope lasts for a decent amount of time, then I think Mikey would benefit the most from some spotlight. Perhaps he can showcase more of his compassion, like what he showed when they met Leatherhead. Also I'm a bit biased for some Raph and Mikey brotherly bonding. That stuff's adorable.

Like the others have said, that one scene where Mikey calmed Raph down from his rage induced by the Shredder could possibly be foreshadowing, and I hope it is. I would also love it if the dark Raph arc lasts for a few episodes and ends as the season finale, or as part of the finale.

Also my first post! Hello Technodrome!

Welcome! Hope you enjoy it here.

That aside, I think the main reason we didn't get more of Slash is because Corey Feldman voices him. I wonder if they would've had someone else voice him if he would've been around more. It's like how out of the villains, we see Stockman the least because of his voice actor.

Anywho, I like the idea of everyone trying to get him back, but one of them fully getting him out, but I do feel that the most likely is Mikey or Leo out of the brothers based on their relationships. Donnie, not so much, unless it plays out the way victory_angel theorized.

[Warhorse]

I'm wondering if when this episode/arc shows, if this is going to be when we learn how Raph got the cracks on his shell and plastron.

[BubblyShell22]

I was thinking either this arc or during his Spirit Quest.

[Toadtrooper]

I'm not looking forward to a "Dark Raph" at all. It's not character development. And when you have a character that's better as a villain than a hero, he was a lousy hero to begin with.

It's pretty much Hawkeye in the Avengers movie.

"We don't know what to do with this guy. He's kind of one-dimensional."
"Well, let's make him evil for most of the movie. Then push him into the background and have him shoot stuff so he looks like he's being helpful."
"Well, what if we need to make him interesting again?"
"We can't make him evil again, so we'll have him captured or killed."
"Can't we just write him more interestingly?"
"..."
*heavy laughter ensues*

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by Toadtrooper

And when you have a character that's better as a villain than a hero, he was a lousy hero to begin with.

Well...to be honest that probably best describes Raph in this new show, lol.

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by Toadtrooper

I'm not looking forward to a "Dark Raph" at all. It's not character development. And when you have a character that's better as a villain than a hero, he was a lousy hero to begin with.

It's pretty much Hawkeye in the Avengers movie.

"We don't know what to do with this guy. He's kind of one-dimensional."
"Well, let's make him evil for most of the movie. Then push him into the background and have him shoot stuff so he looks like he's being helpful."
"Well, what if we need to make him interesting again?"
"We can't make him evil again, so we'll have him captured or killed."
"Can't we just write him more interestingly?"
"..."
*heavy laughter ensues*

Hardly. And comparing it to Hawkeye in the Avengers is just silly. Loki just zaps him evil. That's not what happens in the comic arc that they're pulling from.
City Fall was an awesome arc. Leo 'going dark' went into exploration of his own insecurities. Shredder/Kitsune were able to get into his head by exploring and manipulating his worst fears and fondest memories and twisting things around in his head. An entire issue is dedicated to it and, frankly, its pretty ****ed up. And then there's a whole arc dedicated to his recovery and trying to find his place within his family again. If its done anything like it is in the comic, it will be great for Raphael.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Ramboraph4life aka Matt

Well...to be honest that probably best describes Raph in this new show, lol.

^ That sounds like Slash from the get go.

I find it really unsettling that the four kind of swept it under the rug that he..you know...beat them half to death? Those two especially (Donnie, Mikey) should having PTSD from just hearing his name alone. Kinda like Donnie when they were going to see Leatherhead for the second time.

[Warhorse]

Originally Posted by Luckyday

^ That sounds like Slash from the get go.

I find it really unsettling that the four kind of swept it under the rug that he..you know...beat them half to death? Those two especially (Donnie, Mikey) should having PTSD from just hearing his name alone. Kinda like Donnie when they were going to see Leatherhead for the second time.

Heh, and one would think that more was brought about the ship underneath the house and the fact that April's mom may still be alive, and yet, nothing of it the next few episodes later.

[Luckyday]

Originally Posted by Warhorse

Heh, and one would think that more was brought about the ship underneath the house and the fact that April's mom may still be alive, and yet, nothing of it the next few episodes later.

God this show and it's lack of continuity, or maybe "lack of" is not the right word. More like "strong indifference".

You know what the worse thing that could happen in this arc? Like the worse thing? If they pull a deus ex machina out their ass with the time travel and with Renet and reverse everything that happen so there was never a invasion in the first place or make everything revert to status quo without any explanation.
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Because that would be so ****ing hilarious.