Marvel/Sony in negotiations over Spider-Man Rights

*TurtleTitan97* · 12-13-2014, 07:43 PM

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We previously reported on the potential deal between Marvel and Sony to share the rights to Spider-Man at a 60/40 split, and that deal seems to be the one that will potentially be jump-started if Sony Pictures Entertainment continues to stumble in their handling of the Spider-Man franchise.

Sony is understandably preoccupied with the consequences of a massive hack that includes leaked films, downed intranet services and the leak of documents and e-mails, but should this deal move forward, we've learned some more details about what Spider-Man's potential return to Marvel would entail.

The 60/40 split still looks to be the divide with Sony handling distribution. However, Marvel's not inclined to give Sony creative control over the character, nor planning on honoring the contracts with Sony's Spider-Stars. More poking into the origins of the Aunt May solo film and Female Spider movie rumors revealed that these were actual Sony Picture Entertainment plans that Marvel knew about and severely disliked. Now that Marvel can have the rights to the character back, they plan to wipe the slate with the Amazing Spider-Man universe.

IF the Marvel/Sony deal were to go forward, Andrew Garfield would no longer be Peter Parker and any baggage from existing films, Raimi or Webb, would be non-canonical, Marvel doesn't want any part of those films. The idea is that the Spider-Man romance movie has been played out over five installments, so any new Spider-Man films would focus on the difficulties of being a teenager and a superhero with a romance side-story, not the film's focus. Marvel also thinks that the origin story is well-trodden territory, so any Spider-Man movies under this deal would begin with Peter Parker already leading a dual life. Spider-Man making his debut in Captain America: Civil War is still a distinct possibility and would serve as the character's introduction to the Marvel Cinematic Universe. But as of now Spider-Man will NOT be in Civil War. I was told that they have a script nailed down.

Marvel's desire to remove Andrew Garfield from the role was a major point of contention with Sony's Amy Pascal, traditionally a stalwart defender of the talent in her films. However, current events leave her positioned slightly weakened.

http://www.latino-review.com/news/ma...ndrew-garfield

*Cure* · 12-13-2014, 07:49 PM

Man. I liked both Amazing movies but Marvel getting the rights back would be interesting. But I also like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man soooo...ambivalence.

*TigerClaw* · 12-13-2014, 07:56 PM

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Originally Posted by TurtleTitan97

http://www.latino-review.com/news/ma...ndrew-garfield

There is so much stuff that came from the Sony Hack, I really hope Sony and Marvel makes some deal to bring Spider-Man to the MCU.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-13-2014, 10:40 PM

I liked the first "Amazing" but haven't seen the second one and it doesn't look too good. Honestly Marvel getting the rights back would be what's best for everyone. Sony doesn't know what they're doing with it. They need to just take the money and let Marvel steer the ship on their own flagship character.

I guess it'll come down to a little bit of pride, and a little bit of "how much work does Sony want to do themselves to get the nose up on this thing?" It's much, much easier to let someone else do all the "hard" work and you simply move the wheels and cash the check, no?

The only snag would be, for it to happen, Sony would more or less be admitting, publicly, "We f*cked up Spider-Man". Anyone can easily see why that's not something they are in any hurry to do. But money talks. We'll see.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 12-14-2014, 01:43 AM

YESSSS!!!! Oh, this news makes me so happy I could do a happy dance right here at my keyboard. I have been hoping and praying for this to happen for a long time now- basically ever since the first Amazing Spider-Man movie turned out to be such a disappointment as a long-time Spidey fan. I seriously thought Sony dropped the ball on it a long time ago, and now my wish seems to have come true. JOYGASM!!!!

*Candy Kappa* · 12-14-2014, 01:46 AM

Don't like the bit about removing Garfield.

*MsMarvelDuckie* · 12-14-2014, 01:52 AM

I do. He may have had Spidey's snark down, but as Peter? He was too "pretty" and not awkward enough to be convincing. I just didn't like him. Heck, I liked CONNERS better in the first film (never saw the second) and that's saying something. Then again, I liked Toby's take better, anyway. Also- Molina was a perfect Ock. Raimi's trilogy just worked so much better, and had more of the feel of a Spidey story- but he an actual FAN.

*Candy Kappa* · 12-14-2014, 02:31 AM

I think that's more the writing then Garfield, since his character didn't change at all when he got his powers. it would have nice to see him more timid and dorky before he got bitten, instead of a cocky guy who instantly challenges bullies twice his size.

But, I also think it's a minor nitpick, since he is excellent as Spidey, and the charisma and chemistry he have on screen and with Emma Stone.

Shred Head · 12-14-2014, 05:31 AM

The idea of Marvel getting the rights back makes me nervous. Marvel as a company the past ten years hasn't had much luck with Spider-Man. The writing in the comics has been some of the worst I ever read in the history of the books and I have been reading since the early 90's so trust me that's pretty damn bad. Less said about Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon the better. I have lost all of my confidence in Marvel when it comes to the franchise they created. Sony sure Spider-Man three was awful Amazing 2 was a huge misstep not terrible but it was a misstep. They have had a lot of success with Spider-Man one and two and Amazing are great films and lets not forget the awesome Spectacular Spider-Man was created by Sony not Marvel. If Fox could pull the X-Men out of the funk they put them in I'm confident Sony can to.

*ToTheNines* · 12-14-2014, 06:15 AM

I'd rather see Sony finish this trilogy and do their spinoffs, then give it back to marvel when that's all said and done in 2018 or whatever.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-14-2014, 06:38 AM

I read up on a plan Sony had to adapt Kraven's Last Hunt and to renew focus on an adult Peter's lifestyle and a more prominent role for MJ. I'd have preffered to have seen that. I've heard Marvel just want to keep Peter youthful and focus less on the romantic hang-ups in potential movie plans

I'm also in agreement with Shred Head. People forget Marvel's own track record with Spidey outright stinks at the moment, you need only look at the state of the regular comics and cartoons to see that. The only decent things Spidey related this last decade have been the Ultimate books (even if Bendis is running on fumes these days), the newspaper comics and the Spectacular cartoon (and that was a Sony product)

~~Leo656~~ · 12-14-2014, 02:56 PM

Well, I ain't read the Spidey comics since the Clone Garbage, but I know that I agree with the studios that "Peter Parker In Love" is played the f*ck out as a movie idea and I'm sick of seeing that be the main focus. Go fight some goddamn super-villains and stop being such a whiner! I mean, seeing the character crammed in between all the Avengers on the big screen might be shallow and short on character development and overly bombastic, but you know what else it'd be? Interesting. Seeing Spidey interact with Thor and Captain America and Iron Man would be, just from a fan's perspective, more interesting than anything they've done in the last three and a half Spidey movies.

So, not going by the comics but simply by the movies, I think they're at the point where the best thing they can do for the character is find a way to bring him and all his cast into the Marvel Film Universe and take it from there. What else are they gonna do? "Peter accidentally creates another nemesis for himself, and in-between wrestles with the question of whether it's fair to his girlfriend that he continues to lead a heroic double-life"? Yeah I kind of don't give a sh*t about that anymore, because they're so f*cking bad at it. Making "swinging around punching stuff" the Main Priority and pushing "moping about his girl problems" to being the minor one is a terrific idea.

They've got the right idea, it'll probably just come down to money. I kind of don't care bout Amazing 3 anymore, but tell me Spidey will be in Civil War and I'll buy a ticket tomorrow, because there' simply nothing they can do in Amazing 3 that could be better or more interesting than that.

*ZariusTwo* · 12-14-2014, 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

Well, I ain't read the Spidey comics since the Clone Garbage, but I know that I agree with the studios that "Peter Parker In Love" is played the f*ck out as a movie idea and I'm sick of seeing that be the main focus. Go fight some goddamn super-villains and stop being such a whiner!

I echo the sentiments bro, one thing I love about the newspaper comics is you get NONE of the murky relationship strains, Peter and MJ are rock solid as a couple and support each other, which allows Peter to just go out and serve up some vintage heroic hijinks. It's a model few runs on the regular books have taken

*TigerClaw* · 12-14-2014, 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

I do. He may have had Spidey's snark down, but as Peter? He was too "pretty" and not awkward enough to be convincing. I just didn't like him. Heck, I liked CONNERS better in the first film (never saw the second) and that's saying something. Then again, I liked Toby's take better, anyway. Also- Molina was a perfect Ock. Raimi's trilogy just worked so much better, and had more of the feel of a Spidey story- but he an actual FAN.

How about Michael Cera as Peter Parker? He can do the socially awkward thing that Peter Parker is usually known for.

*CyberCubed* · 12-14-2014, 08:48 PM

At least Marvel said their Spiderman wouldn't be a reboot, but Spidey would already be doing it for a while.

I don't think I could sit through another Green Goblin movie.

SparkFlash · 12-15-2014, 05:15 PM

I love Spiderman, but I am so sick of the same thing done a bit different. I hope they do as mentioned and start a bit later in life and its just a Spiderman story without him being new to it.

I want to see the mid twenties version with a real mary jane. that newlywed stage. Would be fun!

*BabyTurtles* · 12-15-2014, 09:25 PM

Maybe they can do a new Spiderman?

CoughMilesCough.

I mean....I'm kinda tired of Peter Parker.....I want someone new.

~~Leo656~~ · 12-16-2014, 05:42 AM

He's never gonna be the "real" Spider-Man to the general audience, just a stand-in. That'd be a wasted movie.

Like, even Dick Grayson's had altogether a couple solid years as Batman, off and on; they're still never going to make that movie. Batman is Bruce Wayne. Superman is Clark Kent. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Even when a character achieves "Legacy" status, where other characters have taken up the mantle for as long or longer than the original, they still always revert to the originals for mass media. Case in point: I can't be bothered to look it up right now, but Wally West was The Flash for as long if not longer than Barry Allen, and was a much better character overall. When they did a TV show back in 1989, who was Flash? Barry Allen. When they did ANOTHER show in 2014, who was Flash? Barry Allen. Who is going to be Flash in the upcoming JLA movie? Barry Allen. Because Wally was technically his sidekick and not "really" that character. That's how this stuff works.

Movies and live-action TV shows are supposed to be "iconic" and nobody wants to see "scabs" in the role filling in for the "real" characters.

**Jester** · 12-16-2014, 05:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Leo656

He's never gonna be the "real" Spider-Man to the general audience, just a stand-in. That'd be a wasted movie.

Like, even Dick Grayson's had altogether a couple solid years as Batman, off and on; they're still never going to make that movie. Batman is Bruce Wayne. Superman is Clark Kent. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Even when a character achieves "Legacy" status, where other characters have taken up the mantle for as long or longer than the original, they still always revert to the originals for mass media. Case in point: I can't be bothered to look it up right now, but Wally West was The Flash for as long if not longer than Barry Allen, and was a much better character overall. When they did a TV show back in 1989, who was Flash? Barry Allen. When they did ANOTHER show in 2014, who was Flash? Barry Allen. Who is going to be Flash in the upcoming JLA movie? Barry Allen. Because Wally was technically his sidekick and not "really" that character. That's how this stuff works.

Movies and live-action TV shows are supposed to be "iconic" and nobody wants to see "scabs" in the role filling in for the "real" characters.

B...b...but...

~~Leo656~~ · 12-16-2014, 05:55 AM

Cartoons have much looser rules. They did a whole series where Bruce wasn't Batman! You could never do that in a live action movie or TV show, the rules for what's "allowed" and what isn't are totally different.

That said, the JL cartoons hold a special place in my heart for being the only media outside the books to show Wally any love. I think he was in the DC/MK video game, too, but I don't remember if they explicitly stated it was Wally. I think it was, but you had to dig into the menus to find out.

It was weird seeing Wally basically as the first and only Flash in that cartoon universe, though. Like Barry never existed at all. I mean Wally's a better character anyways, but to have Barry completely skipped over in the story is a little weird.

12-13-2014, 07:49 PM	#2
Cure Y'all need Jesus Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 8,938	Man. I liked both Amazing movies but Marvel getting the rights back would be interesting. But I also like Andrew Garfield as Spider-Man soooo...ambivalence. __________________

12-14-2014, 01:43 AM	#5
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	YESSSS!!!! Oh, this news makes me so happy I could do a happy dance right here at my keyboard. I have been hoping and praying for this to happen for a long time now- basically ever since the first Amazing Spider-Man movie turned out to be such a disappointment as a long-time Spidey fan. I seriously thought Sony dropped the ball on it a long time ago, and now my wish seems to have come true. JOYGASM!!!! __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

12-14-2014, 01:46 AM	#6
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	Don't like the bit about removing Garfield. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

12-14-2014, 01:52 AM	#7
MsMarvelDuckie I Married a Duck! Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: The bowels of Hell, Texas(otherwise known as Decatur) Posts: 8,773	I do. He may have had Spidey's snark down, but as Peter? He was too "pretty" and not awkward enough to be convincing. I just didn't like him. Heck, I liked CONNERS better in the first film (never saw the second) and that's saying something. Then again, I liked Toby's take better, anyway. Also- Molina was a perfect Ock. Raimi's trilogy just worked so much better, and had more of the feel of a Spidey story- but he an actual FAN. __________________ "You IDIOTS! You've captured their STUNT doubles!" -from "Spaceballs" "Where Science ends, magic begins." -Spiral, Uncanny X-Men #491 My various stories and fan-fics are now here- https://m.fanfiction.net/u/4770494/#end

12-14-2014, 02:31 AM	#8
Candy Kappa The Agenda of Existing Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vikingland Posts: 14,596	I think that's more the writing then Garfield, since his character didn't change at all when he got his powers. it would have nice to see him more timid and dorky before he got bitten, instead of a cocky guy who instantly challenges bullies twice his size. But, I also think it's a minor nitpick, since he is excellent as Spidey, and the charisma and chemistry he have on screen and with Emma Stone. __________________ devianArt Instagram Youtube Tumblr Art Blog Patreon

12-13-2014, 10:40 PM	#4
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I liked the first "Amazing" but haven't seen the second one and it doesn't look too good. Honestly Marvel getting the rights back would be what's best for everyone. Sony doesn't know what they're doing with it. They need to just take the money and let Marvel steer the ship on their own flagship character. I guess it'll come down to a little bit of pride, and a little bit of "how much work does Sony want to do themselves to get the nose up on this thing?" It's much, much easier to let someone else do all the "hard" work and you simply move the wheels and cash the check, no? The only snag would be, for it to happen, Sony would more or less be admitting, publicly, "We f*cked up Spider-Man". Anyone can easily see why that's not something they are in any hurry to do. But money talks. We'll see.

12-14-2014, 05:31 AM	#9
Shred Head Hench Mutant Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 341	The idea of Marvel getting the rights back makes me nervous. Marvel as a company the past ten years hasn't had much luck with Spider-Man. The writing in the comics has been some of the worst I ever read in the history of the books and I have been reading since the early 90's so trust me that's pretty damn bad. Less said about Ultimate Spider-Man cartoon the better. I have lost all of my confidence in Marvel when it comes to the franchise they created. Sony sure Spider-Man three was awful Amazing 2 was a huge misstep not terrible but it was a misstep. They have had a lot of success with Spider-Man one and two and Amazing are great films and lets not forget the awesome Spectacular Spider-Man was created by Sony not Marvel. If Fox could pull the X-Men out of the funk they put them in I'm confident Sony can to. __________________ "Cold steel meets hot flesh! Thats why they call me Slash!"

12-14-2014, 06:15 AM	#10
ToTheNines Col. Stinkmeaner Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 19,375	I'd rather see Sony finish this trilogy and do their spinoffs, then give it back to marvel when that's all said and done in 2018 or whatever.

12-14-2014, 06:38 AM	#11
ZariusTwo Overlord Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Britain, DINO THUNDER...POWER UP! Posts: 22,501	I read up on a plan Sony had to adapt Kraven's Last Hunt and to renew focus on an adult Peter's lifestyle and a more prominent role for MJ. I'd have preffered to have seen that. I've heard Marvel just want to keep Peter youthful and focus less on the romantic hang-ups in potential movie plans I'm also in agreement with Shred Head. People forget Marvel's own track record with Spidey outright stinks at the moment, you need only look at the state of the regular comics and cartoons to see that. The only decent things Spidey related this last decade have been the Ultimate books (even if Bendis is running on fumes these days), the newspaper comics and the Spectacular cartoon (and that was a Sony product) __________________ Spider-Man: The Rescue Spider-Man: The Galloping Cat Spider-Man: Scarlet Mirror Doctor Who: Child of the Daleks Last edited by ZariusTwo; 12-14-2014 at 06:45 AM.

12-14-2014, 02:56 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Well, I ain't read the Spidey comics since the Clone Garbage, but I know that I agree with the studios that "Peter Parker In Love" is played the fck out as a movie idea and I'm sick of seeing that be the main focus. Go fight some goddamn super-villains and stop being such a whiner! I mean, seeing the character crammed in between all the Avengers on the big screen might be shallow and short on character development and overly bombastic, but you know what else it'd be? Interesting. Seeing Spidey interact with Thor and Captain America and Iron Man would be, just from a fan's perspective, more interesting than anything they've done in the last three and a half Spidey movies. So, not going by the comics but simply by the movies, I think they're at the point where the best thing they can do for the character is find a way to bring him and all his cast into the Marvel Film Universe and take it from there. What else are they gonna do? "Peter accidentally creates another nemesis for himself, and in-between wrestles with the question of whether it's fair to his girlfriend that he continues to lead a heroic double-life"? Yeah I kind of don't give a sht about that anymore, because they're so f*cking bad at it. Making "swinging around punching stuff" the Main Priority and pushing "moping about his girl problems" to being the minor one is a terrific idea. They've got the right idea, it'll probably just come down to money. I kind of don't care bout Amazing 3 anymore, but tell me Spidey will be in Civil War and I'll buy a ticket tomorrow, because there' simply nothing they can do in Amazing 3 that could be better or more interesting than that.

12-14-2014, 08:48 PM	#15
CyberCubed Overlord Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 43,888	At least Marvel said their Spiderman wouldn't be a reboot, but Spidey would already be doing it for a while. I don't think I could sit through another Green Goblin movie.

12-15-2014, 05:15 PM	#16
SparkFlash Random Punk Join Date: Nov 2014 Location: MI Posts: 23	I love Spiderman, but I am so sick of the same thing done a bit different. I hope they do as mentioned and start a bit later in life and its just a Spiderman story without him being new to it. I want to see the mid twenties version with a real mary jane. that newlywed stage. Would be fun!

12-15-2014, 09:25 PM	#17
BabyTurtles Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2013 Posts: 4,177	Maybe they can do a new Spiderman? CoughMilesCough. I mean....I'm kinda tired of Peter Parker.....I want someone new. __________________

12-16-2014, 05:42 AM	#18
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	He's never gonna be the "real" Spider-Man to the general audience, just a stand-in. That'd be a wasted movie. Like, even Dick Grayson's had altogether a couple solid years as Batman, off and on; they're still never going to make that movie. Batman is Bruce Wayne. Superman is Clark Kent. Spider-Man is Peter Parker. Even when a character achieves "Legacy" status, where other characters have taken up the mantle for as long or longer than the original, they still always revert to the originals for mass media. Case in point: I can't be bothered to look it up right now, but Wally West was The Flash for as long if not longer than Barry Allen, and was a much better character overall. When they did a TV show back in 1989, who was Flash? Barry Allen. When they did ANOTHER show in 2014, who was Flash? Barry Allen. Who is going to be Flash in the upcoming JLA movie? Barry Allen. Because Wally was technically his sidekick and not "really" that character. That's how this stuff works. Movies and live-action TV shows are supposed to be "iconic" and nobody wants to see "scabs" in the role filling in for the "real" characters.

12-16-2014, 05:55 AM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Cartoons have much looser rules. They did a whole series where Bruce wasn't Batman! You could never do that in a live action movie or TV show, the rules for what's "allowed" and what isn't are totally different. That said, the JL cartoons hold a special place in my heart for being the only media outside the books to show Wally any love. I think he was in the DC/MK video game, too, but I don't remember if they explicitly stated it was Wally. I think it was, but you had to dig into the menus to find out. It was weird seeing Wally basically as the first and only Flash in that cartoon universe, though. Like Barry never existed at all. I mean Wally's a better character anyways, but to have Barry completely skipped over in the story is a little weird.