Interview With Michael Bay: Talks About Problems With TMNT

[Bob]

I think a lot of people won't be too happy after they read this. It’s an interview about other stuff, too, but these are the bits pertaining to TMNT:

"Michael has this divining rod for where the problems are going to be. On Turtles, I don't think we had the right tone. Our original cut was more of a brooding action movie, maybe for an older audience. It's hard to tell the tone in dailies because you can have fun scenes, but when you put the whole thing together, there's an overwhelming emotion you get [that may be different from what you expected].

(HR) At what point did you realize the tone was wrong?

(BAY) When they came to Miami to show me the first cut. We went out to dinner after I saw it, and it was a very civil dinner [with] the director and editor and [VFX supervisor]. So we're having a steak dinner, we have a martini each — and I'm texting Drew. Then he goes to the bathroom. I go to the bathroom. He's at the urinal and [I say], "We are in so much f—ing trouble!" I write Paramount, "Guys, we have a serious problem. We need funny writers right now. Because the pipeline has to keep going." We really had to get that tone right. It was dicey.

(HR)Do you get final cut?

(BAY) We're a final-cut production company. If it's a seasoned veteran, I'm not going to step on their toes. It's their thing. But we listen to the audience."

http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...oducers-758333

Well, I don't think Jonathan Liebesman will be working with Bay anytime soon.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Bob

I think a lot of people won't be too happy after they read this. It’s an interview about other stuff, too, but these are the bits pertaining to TMNT:



http://www.hollywoodreporter.com/new...oducers-758333

Well, I don't think Jonathan Liebesman will be working with Bay anytime soon.

this is really great news this is cool to hear. and really does seem like they are learning from their mistakes

[Leo656]

I don't think you read it right, sam. I think you entirely read it backwards, actually.

Firstly, anyone and everyone can entirely stop with "Bay had nothing to do with it", because there it is in black and white, the buck on this thing stopped with him. SO, no more "Bay had nothing to do with it" nonsense from anyone. PLEASE. There it is. He made the Big Calls. That's straight from The Man himself.

Secondly... uhhh, they originally wanted to do a "brooding action movie for an older audience" and Bay said they needed more comedy and fart jokes. Bay said that the ORIGINAL tone was wrong - the brooding action movie tone - not the tone of the movie we actually got. What we GOT, is what he thinks was the RIGHT way to do the movie, and thus, we can expect more of the same next time out.

The only "mistakes" Bay apparently "learned from", are, "We Need More Of Teh Funny!" F*ck that guy in the mouth. Seriously.

Just... just no more godddamn movies, please. I'm an old man, my heart can't take the strain.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't think you read it right, sam. I think you entirely read it backwards, actually.

Firstly, anyone and everyone can entirely stop with "Bay had nothing to do with it", because there it is in black and white, the buck on this thing stopped with him. SO, no more "Bay had nothing to do with it" nonsense from anyone. PLEASE. There it is. He made the Big Calls. That's straight from The Man himself.

Secondly... uhhh, they originally wanted to do a "brooding action movie for an older audience" and Bay said they needed more comedy and fart jokes. Bay said that the ORIGINAL tone was wrong - the brooding action movie tone - not the tone of the movie we actually got. What we GOT, is what he thinks was the RIGHT way to do the movie, and thus, we can expect more of the same next time out.

The only "mistakes" Bay apparently "learned from", are, "We Need More Of Teh Funny!" F*ck that guy in the mouth. Seriously.

Just... just no more godddamn movies, please. I'm an old man, my heart can't take the strain.

From the interview. It seem that the tone was to serious. That bits and pieces worked alone. But it needed something and tmnt has always been a comedy thing.

AND if bay was so heavily involved from the beginning then why was to tone so messed from the beginning.

TMNT is and has always been lighthearted ALWAYS. This movie has a darker tone with lightheartedness. You keep Say that Bay was there and just said hey Add some freaking fart jokes Are you serious right now. GOD your insufferable dude You act as if your this all knowing Big shot.

IM not saying that Bay wasn't involved but You people think that he has his hands in every thing, by adding every possible negative into the movie. You Ignore all the good stuff and just condemn the living **** out of everything else.

Seriously I take it that there was major miss communication between people. Some wanted to to be this super serious action movie Which does not fit tmnt really(thats not to say it can't be serious ever) And he wanted it to be the more usual Lighthearted version the fit tmnt more. ala 80's show the other movies, the 2k3 show, and the newer nick series even the comics.

You act as if bay has no understanding of Hollywood and that hes just some stupid dude who can't make movies

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Leo656

I don't think you read it right, sam. I think you entirely read it backwards, actually.

Firstly, anyone and everyone can entirely stop with "Bay had nothing to do with it", because there it is in black and white, the buck on this thing stopped with him. SO, no more "Bay had nothing to do with it" nonsense from anyone. PLEASE. There it is. He made the Big Calls. That's straight from The Man himself.

Secondly... uhhh, they originally wanted to do a "brooding action movie for an older audience" and Bay said they needed more comedy and fart jokes. Bay said that the ORIGINAL tone was wrong - the brooding action movie tone - not the tone of the movie we actually got. What we GOT, is what he thinks was the RIGHT way to do the movie, and thus, we can expect more of the same next time out.

The only "mistakes" Bay apparently "learned from", are, "We Need More Of Teh Funny!" F*ck that guy in the mouth. Seriously.

Just... just no more godddamn movies, please. I'm an old man, my heart can't take the strain.

Yep.

And lookie there, it all went right over Sam's head.

What a shock.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

AND if bay was so heavily involved from the beginning then why was to tone so messed from the beginning.

you just answered your own question...as Leo said its in black and white ...right there..from the words of the almighty creator

they had Dinner..Bay didnt like it..they changed it

[Xiewin]

...And it took all this deducing that the music was trying to be emotional when it needed to be heroic, kick-ass. And it literally swung the audience. Movies are made to be seen. You don't have to respect everything [an audience] is feeling, but there's certain things where they will really guide you.

this is pretty much a confirmation that the sequel won't be an improvement from the first.

It's really sad to think that will never get a great live-action turtles movie.

[Leo656]

Yeah, really. I've tried, sam. Fact is, I'm right way more than I'm wrong, and when I am wrong, I don't make excuses for it. Like, for example, I didn't think the movie was gonna make as much as it did. Mostly because of the release date. I figured there'd be some heavy fatigue amongst theater audiences and parents not wanting to go to the movies for an 8th time that summer. That was a conservative bet, and I was wrong. See? Not hard. My track record is really, really strong, in general. I could make a list about every single thing I predicted about just this one movie that turned out to be 100% true, but I'd be here all day. But I'm not right every time. So, yeah... oops?

You, on the other hand, are wrong about a lot of stuff, but whenever you get faced with it, when there's Proof that you're wrong, you backpedal, you twist words, you come up with straw man arguments that hold no weight, and you interpret people's words the exact opposite of what they mean. Every single time. Occasionally, you even make it personal. You're not the only one, but the fact you've been this movie's biggest cheerleader while NEVER ONCE admitting you were wrong or mistaken about anything is way more "insufferable" than me citing Inconvenient Truths.

Still gonna tell me they had Japanese Shredder planned from Day One? Because... they admitted they did that last-minute. You were... pretty adamant they didn't, aaaand, you called people names over it. Aaaand, you were proven wrong. Like, not A Little wrong, Entirely, 100% wrong. Apology? Admission of being wrong? I don't care, personally, but it'd speak well to your character.

I'm pretty sure you're a good guy based on what I've seen/read but your comprehension needs work and you need to man up to your mistakes. If you're gonna make the amount of noise you do, then take the hit when you're wrong and say so. So you misread the article. Big deal, I ain't mad at ya, I just pointed out what you misread. That's "insufferable"? Dude, you completely misread what the people being quoted in the article actually said. That's A Fact, don't get F'n mad at me.

I don't have to be patient with people when I'm forced to constantly point out mistakes they make or things they misunderstand. I've never attacked you, guy, and I've called you a "buddy", but holy sh*t, man, check yourself. I've stood up for you when other people here were straight-up giving you The Business. From now on, I guess I'll refrain from that, since my help isn't appreciated?

I ain't even angry, just disappointed. I'm really disappointed that my faith in some people is entirely misplaced.

[samxsteal]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

you just answered your own question...as Leo said its in black and white ...right there..from the words of the almighty creator

they had Dinner..Bay didnt like it..they changed it

No Hes said they had start woirk on and got pretty far and then once he was there he had found it was the wrong tone Not that he was there every step of the way.

Originally Posted by Leo656

Yeah, really. I've tried, sam. Fact is, I'm right way more than I'm wrong, and when I am wrong, I don't make excuses for it. Like, for example, I didn't think the movie was gonna make as much as it did. Mostly because of the release date. I figured there'd be some heavy fatigue amongst theater audiences and parents not wanting to go to the movies for an 8th time that summer. That was a conservative bet, and I was wrong. See? Not hard. My track record is really, really strong, in general. I could make a list about every single thing I predicted about just this one movie that turned out to be 100% true, but I'd be here all day. But I'm not right every time. So, yeah... oops?

How arrogant can one man be really Really. Yup Your all knowing. ANd literally this is the frist time you even admitted you were wrong. EVER since i joined at least You blast on as if you this holly untouchable FORUM USER. you've threaten users and seriously whats funny is it worked be proud of your self.

You, on the other hand, are wrong about a lot of stuff, but whenever you get faced with it, when there's Proof that you're wrong, you backpedal, you twist words, you come up with straw man arguments that hold no weight, and you interpret people's words the exact opposite of what they mean. Every single time. Occasionally, you even make it personal. You're not the only one, but the fact you've been this movie's biggest cheerleader while NEVER ONCE admitting you were wrong or mistaken about anything is way more "insufferable" than me citing Inconvenient Truths.

Bull ****. I said that a Japanese Shredder was a major possibility and i even said that there would be a Japanese Shredder and i was right. I said that I had faith that they was always an option, Was i wrong about the extent of what they planned sure But i was still right that there would be a Japanese Shredder that that it would work out Heck half my half back theories were freaking true. Ive Never called people names. I have been Threatened made fun off definitely called name. and You know what those users still on here still posting. With friends that were banned for much less. Whats that mean.

In what other ways have i been wrong about this movie.

Most of the Arguments come down to just being opinions Some people think there was to much April I didn't feel that way Thats still just an opinion. Unless there is some Algorithm about to much screen time for characters.

Still gonna tell me they had Japanese Shredder planned from Day One? Because... they admitted they did that last-minute. You were... pretty adamant they didn't, aaaand, you called people names over it. Aaaand, you were proven wrong. Like, not A Little wrong, Entirely, 100% wrong. Apology? Admission of being wrong? I don't care, personally, but it'd speak well to your character.

They Never Admitted they added him last minute Evidence show they added him late in the production. I Said that it was a huge possibility that this was the plan the whole time about that i was wrong. But there were those who said that there was no possible way they could have a Japanese Shredder well those people were wrong.

I have never called anyone name Have a said that the were being annoying yes that not name calling thats stating my OPINION of there actions.

I'm pretty sure you're a good guy based on what I've seen/read but your comprehension needs work and you need to man up to your mistakes. If you're gonna make the amount of noise you do, then take the hit when you're wrong and say so. So you misread the article. Big deal, I ain't mad at ya, I just pointed out what you misread. That's "insufferable"? Dude, you completely misread what the people being quoted in the article actually said. That's A Fact, don't get F'n mad at me.

Im the first person to man up on my mistakes Anyone who actually knows this for a fact. How did i miss read the Article???

I don't have to be patient with people when I'm forced to constantly point out mistakes they make or things they misunderstand. I've never attacked you, guy, and I've called you a "buddy", but holy sh*t, man, check yourself. I've stood up for you when other people here were straight-up giving you The Business. From now on, I guess I'll refrain from that, since my help isn't appreciated?

What mistakes have i made Beside spelling and grammar, which i have admitted to being terrible at nor do i care. Other then that I admit if im wrong but i dont feel as if i have even been proven wrong especially when Most of the "mistakes" are that my opinions are wrong which is not correct.

I ain't even angry, just disappointed. I'm really disappointed that my faith in some people is entirely misplaced.

IM sorry I dont condemn a movie that I wholeheartedly Enjoyed, that entertained me on multiple levels. Just because it wasn't what others wanted.

[IndigoErth]

Saw that last night and had skimmed over it right quick. Wish more on TMNT had said, but what's there is interesting.

we have a martini each

After the waitstaff had already removed the other 10 empty glasses, right? 'Cuz some things in that film surely required drunkenness.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

After the waitstaff had already removed the other 10 empty glasses, right? 'Cuz some things in that film surely required drunkenness.

Trust me, it didn't help.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Trust me, it didn't help.

I do not drink, not a fan of it at all.

I wanted to after I saw the movie.

[Leo656]

I don't know how someone can QUOTE me, dissect said quote, and still get every single thing inside-out. You're one of a kind, buddy.

You use the quote where I flat-out say, "I don't have a problem being wrong if it's proven", and even give an example... and you go ahead and FIRST say I think I'm "all-knowing", THEN you actually use the exact words I actually said... and then complain I'm not wrong often enough? What am I supposed to say to that? I'm... sorry? I'm sorry my predictions and gut instincts are usually right? I'm sorry I use things like evidence and experience to predict things and don't just run off at the mouth?

I mean, I'm NOT sorry, because that's what everyone should do before they put themselves out there so strongly, but... sorry it hurts your feelings, I guess?

I'unnno, man. This isn't even about a movie anymore. It's about separating Fact from Fiction. Anyone can read your last post and see that you have issues with that. Again, sorry. Not my fault at all.

And threats... really... I... don't remember doing that. Do you mean me telling people I can "make 'em disappear"? WOW, do you read too much into things. For one, it's a joke, and secondly, I think I said it once, and finally... the guy I said that to, I don't think is here anymore. See? I'm right even when I'm not even trying.

I think you just need a super-villain to cast yourself against and I'm an easy target. Not interested.

Damn right I'm arrogant, though. My eyes are gorgeous as f*ck. Not sorry.

[bushido]

"But we listen to the audience" Michael Bay

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Trust me, it didn't help.

Exactly... because probably only after several does "how-to ninja book" sound like a great plan.

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

I want to see the 'brooding action film' version.

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by IndigoErth

Exactly... because probably only after several does "how-to ninja book" sound like a great plan.

It's a great way to shorten the character list, so it won't be so crowded like Amazing Spider-man 2 was.

[plastroncafe]

Considering PD-TMNT had the same basic plot as Amazing Spider-man, I can only imaging they're saving the Too-Many-Characters for the sequel.

Oh hai thar Bebop and Rocksteady, how's it going?

[NinjaPug]

How can anyone read that and have positive thoughts about the future of this franchise?

[Ramboraph4life aka Matt]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

Considering PD-TMNT had the same basic plot as Amazing Spider-man, I can only imaging they're saving the Too-Many-Characters for the sequel.

Oh hai thar Bebop and Rocksteady, how's it going?

Bebop, Rocksteady, Shredder, William Fichtner, Karai, Casey, April, Vern, Whoopi, and I'm sure they'll try to push in Krang, have scenes between April & her good friend Irma...

And, oh yeah, the Turtles will be there. Just don't blink or you'll miss them.