Interview With Michael Bay: Talks About Problems With TMNT

[BubblyShell22]

Same here, Leo. It was always going to be Bay's movie no matter what, and it looks like this sequel's going to be more of the same but with a new director which won't change things. I'm not happy about it either, but we know there are people who will just eat this up and not care because it's TMNT and that makes it okay to produce horrible movies.

[IndigoErth]

Originally Posted by pennydreadful

Is it too early in the day to start drinking? It's always 5.00pm somewhere, right?

Yup, my time zone. Go right ahead.

[BubblyShell22]

In fifteen minutes, it will be 5:00 in the central timezone, so drink away.

[pennydreadful]

I think I'm gonna need it - people are going nuts in the threads here today. Stressful time or year or wot?

I now declare it cocktail hour until the madness has passed.

[Leo656]

Really just one dude who feels backed into a corner flipping on everyone else.

[bushido]

Maybe Michael Bay is mad because turtles are not aliens as he wanted at the beginning

[Venom]

Originally Posted by samxsteal

this is really great news this is cool to hear. and really does seem like they are learning from their mistakes

By throwing out the original, *better* tone of the movie?

No sir, you are badly mistaken; Bay is saying he's going "Secret of the Ooze" with the sequel.

If he wanted to "take a chance" at great flick, he would have kept the original tone intact.

For 25 years, fans have wanted another Turtle movie that captured the tone of the first film. We're still waiting for that to happen.

And your comment about the Turtles "always being lighthearted". Uhhhhhh, no. The only lighthearted aspect was the OT and its derivatives. The original Turtles, the Mirage Turtles, the ones that all others are built from, were not lighthearted.

They were brooding, introspective, they could be fun, yes, but lighthearted they were not, and clearly it resonated with people back then, otherwise each issue of the books would not have sold hundreds of thousands before Eastman and Laird became busy with the cartoon and had to leave the title.

[sethmartin]

I hated the fart joke. Also hated the tact on ending (oops we forgot to put the turtle van in there) I thought will Arnet and Michelangelo had some funny lines. I agree that the turtles need humor but let's get some good comedy writers I. There that know how to mix it in. Also more scenes with the turtles just interacting with each other.

[Leo656]

Problem is, Bay still has to approve any new writer's attempts at "humor". We already saw what he approves of. Can't be trusted.

I mean, technically you're asking for the right stuff, but, I don't think we're gonna get any of that from This Guy.

[Candy Kappa]

Some martial arts would've been nice too. Like a few techniques from Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, cause seriously. Leo was lacking in the sword using department. And some Ryukyu kobujutsu with the Sai and Nunchaku... And Bo Jutsu.

The weapons was barely used.

I was also sad to see that the movie had no Sansetsukon action, despite the movie Mikey action figure came with one instead of two Nunchaku.

[Venom]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Problem is, Bay still has to approve any new writer's attempts at "humor". We already saw what he approves of. Can't be trusted.

I mean, technically you're asking for the right stuff, but, I don't think we're gonna get any of that from This Guy.

Agreed.

Why the hell couldn't Bay leave things be and shoot the Fusco script? Or if Fusco only had a treatment, expand it to a full script. That guy knows how to meld action, comradery, and humor!

[Leo656]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

Some martial arts would've been nice too. Like a few techniques from Hyoho Niten Ichi-ryu, cause seriously. Leo was lacking in the sword using department. And some Ryukyu kobujutsu with the Sai and Nunchaku... And Bo Jutsu.

The weapons was barely used.

I was also sad to see that the movie had no Sansetsukon action, despite the movie Mikey action figure came with one instead of two Nunchaku.

Mikey did some kinda jumping spin-kick thing, so, we got plenty.

[Candy Kappa]

And Raph made a Foot airborne, I guess that fills our martial arts quota

[sethmartin]

Originally Posted by Venom

By throwing out the original, *better* tone of the movie?

No sir, you are badly mistaken; Bay is saying he's going "Secret of the Ooze" with the sequel.

If he wanted to "take a chance" at great flick, he would have kept the original tone intact.

For 25 years, fans have wanted another Turtle movie that captured the tone of the first film. We're still waiting for that to happen.

And your comment about the Turtles "always being lighthearted". Uhhhhhh, no. The only lighthearted aspect was the OT and its derivatives. The original Turtles, the Mirage Turtles, the ones that all others are built from, were not lighthearted.

They were brooding, introspective, they could be fun, yes, but lighthearted they were not, and clearly it resonated with people back then, otherwise each issue of the books would not have sold hundreds of thousands before Eastman and Laird became busy with the cartoon and had to leave the title.

Sadly, I don't think we'll ever see a Turtles movie which is a straight comic book adaption unless it was a small budget film like the first. However, I'm loving the animated films that DC and Marvel have been releasing over the last couple of years. Would be awesome to see an animated film of Ninja Turtles like that. Especially an adaptation of the early books.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Leo656

Mikey did some kinda jumping spin-kick thing, so, we got plenty.

Leonardo did a hadoken at one point

[Candy Kappa]

And, Leo ducked while Raph hit a Foot Soldier behind him, that's like *sigh* *Megan Fox voice* Ninjas *moan* That do kaaaraaateeeh... *pant*

[Leo656]

I had a kids' storybook once where they were fighting a group of bad guys, and Leo does some kinda move, and Raph calls him out, like, "That wasn't ninjitsu! That was karate!" or something like that. Your comment made me think of it.

[TrickOrTreater]

Imagine a Splinter/Shredder fight like we got in the cartoon, with all the badassness and emotion and tension and weight behind it...but live action.

Why can't I have that?

Why do these people hate awesome things?

[Leo656]

Because Michael Bay raped their childho-...

....Wait...

...No, that doesn't work... we're talking about Michael Bay and His Gang of Criminally Insane Nitwits...

......So who the hell raped BAY'S childhood? F*cking Skeletor?!

[B-Man]

On one hand, it is a Nickelodeon production with kids merch attached to it, and if the film was too serious, it would be a concern. But what bugs me is... Bay isn't funny. The humour in his movies is always loud & obnoxious (people screaming insults at eachother is 95% of the comedy in his movies). He shouldn't be the judge or whats funny & what isn't. It also bugs me that no-one's doing quality control over his movies and going "We have a serious problem. Your movie is 3 hours of torture."