Vision Quests

[ssjup81]

I know this is season 3 territory, but speaking with victory_angel gave me the idea for this thread.

In season 3, the turtles will possibly have their own individual vision quest, or a "rank up quest" to "chuunin" level, if you want to get technical with the ninja terms.

So, what do you hope to see? What do you expect each quest to be like? What do you think they'll gain and learn? When do you think they'll have these quests and why?

Let's theorize away, and does anyone have the art with them in their other outfits and with the newer weapons? Like, iirc, Donnie had a skull mask and cloak. Oh and each turtle represented a different element. I remember seeing, I think 火 山 風... I think. Forgot the fourth. Was it 水？ I'm positive about wind and fire and I think they were for Mikey and Raph, but not sure about Mountain and Water.

[victory_angel]

According to the art work it's
Raph-Fire
Leo-Wind
Donnie-Mountain (So earth)
And Mikey-Forest (Earth)

In my fan interest of Yu Yu Hakusho in the past there was one fanfic I had been writing with a friend and sister figure of mine. This fic is no longer being worked on because the friend I was collaborating with had passed away and it just lost all meaning to continue it.

But there was one time I was looking up information on Kitsune for the story, because Kurama one of the characters of the main cast is of course a kitsune and I was trying to delve into what the culture of his yokai species could have been like.

One of the things I came across is that is that Kitsune hold power over 13 element. The depicted elements are:
Celestial
Void
Earth
Mountain
Forest
Fire
Lightning
Wind
Music
Time
River
Ocean
Spirit

As you can see some of the elements to correlate with one another and these elements are depicted as cousins, such as Mountain and Earth being cousins for example. But other's feel they can relate to more then one element.

Forest for example could at first could relate to earth, or air. but it also relates to water in some ways. So perhaps Mikey element of forest could be water.
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Now for the finally, I don't know if Splinter will be with the Turtles. I can certainly see a situation where the Turtles are given an opportunity to save Splinter, but it ends up turning into a situation where it's either lose Splinter and or lose everyone. And since Donnie is leader at that moment he makes the difficult decision of leaving Splinter behind to protect the rest of his brothers.

This doesn't mean that Splinter dies. Shredder could keep Splinter alive and imprisoned until the day he can witness the deaths of his sons. Or Splinter may choose to remain in the city and seek out a new home while his sons evacuate the city.

The Turtles are not going to be out of the city for the full season, there are times they will be in the city and times where they would be out of the city again. Which brings about the Vision Quest Arc.

I don't believe the Turtles would go into the vision quest arc right away. It is more likely they would have to adjust to the changes in their lives. Adjusting to the fact the life they had always known is over and will never be what it once was. Adjusting to the fact that they may not have Splinter to rely on any more. Adjusting to different ways of thinking or viewing the world around them. So it is probable they will have moments dealing with the Foot Clan and also whatever enemies that will appear in the upcoming season and find themselves hard pressed to use the skills that Splinter had taught them against their foes leading into the Vision Quest arc.

Back in the day there had been an anime I liked called Yoroiden Samurai Troopers, or Ronin Warriors as it was known here in America. In the second and final season there is a string of episodes where the title characters all have a dream telling them to go on a quest and improve their skills.

And I think that may be the how the Vision quest comes about. One way could be a nod to the 1990's movie where the Turtles go out into the woods and commune with Splinter's spirit through meditation. But another way is have them all have a vision where Splinter appears to them in a dream and tells them how they can improve their skills possibly to earn the rank of Chunin or just to improve their skills in general.

Once they have this dream/vision they all four Turtles wake up and realize they must go on a quest and each going their separate ways. This dream will happen either in the beginning of an episode, or the episode will end with the Turtles going off on their quests.

The next episode would only focus on one of the Turtles. And in their journey they will have to face a situation on their own and the only help and advice they get from Splinter and their brothers come in the form of flashbacks.

Flashbacks would uses models of the Turtles both as children and as Teens.
the children models could cover ages:4-10

and Teen Models could cover 13-15 maybe 12 if they push it.

Splinter's flash back would be the weapons origin where they receive their trade mark weapons for the first time. And that should be the start of the quest, then as things progress they face a moment that leads into flash back where they are impacted by one brother, then as the situation progresses they go into another flash back involving another brother, and then a situation where they are impacted by their final brother and this gives the Turtle the means to face the opportunity and win.

Then the next episode focuses on another Turtle

and then another turtle

and then the final Turtle

then finally have the Turtles come back from their vision quests and ready to take on whatever comes their way.

[coxfire]

And that should be the start of the quest, then as things progress they face a moment that leads into flash back where they are impacted by one brother, then as the situation progresses they go into another flash back involving another brother, and then a situation where they are impacted by their final brother and this gives the Turtle the means to face the opportunity and win.

Then the next episode focuses on another Turtle

and then another turtle

and then the final Turtle

then finally have the Turtles come back from their vision quests and ready to take on whatever comes their way.

I don't have enough knowledge of what past vision quests were about in other turtle incarnations, but I do wish that your scenario will be the one we'll see. And I hope that the same amout of thought and focus will be put on each of the guys.

To be clearer, I was kinda disappointed that, in Fungus Humungus, only Leo's fear was "noble" and family-oriented, and that the others' were reduced to cockroach/squirrels phobia, and April for Donatello. It seemed like only Leo was deep as a character, whereas I want all 4 guys to be portrayed as such.

I'm pretty ambivalent about these vision quests in the light of season 2. While I'm sure there will be top notch material there, I'm cautious about the attention that we'll be given to each of our little terrapins.

[Megchan]

From what I can remember with other series that included a vision quest, the guys will most likely be secluded from one other in different parts of the forest in Northampton, which most likely means that all four will have an episode or two centered around them. We may even learn about events that happened in their past. Also they'll probably each encounter some sort of mutant they must defeat or maybe even learn from.

Who knows we may even see Karai doing one of these vision quests *coughLeocough*, with her following the guys to Northampton like Alopex did in the IDW series did.

[victory_angel]

Of them Donnie's fears was probably the most impacting because he feared losing April as his friend, and he also feared losing her to Casey.

Raph and Mikey were more superficial fears then the greatest fears.

But their fears weren't as noble as Leo's had been because it would have taken away from Leo's part of the story if they were.

Individually they could have the freedom to face a deep impacting fear and forge new weapons for themselves to aid in the process.

For Leo his fear of failure would be the same as it was in Fungus Humungus. Maybe we'll actually see him having the vision where his brothers and loved ones are all grabbed and dragged into the darkness.

So in his quest he would think of the moment where he received his Katana from Splinter.

Then he would remember a time he had failed Raph (or insert brother here) and what he learned from that experience.

Then he would remember a time he had failed Mikey (or insert brother here) and what he learned from that experience.

Then he would remember a time he had failed Donnie (or insert brother here) and what he learned from that experience. As the Ancient One said in the 2k3 "One who doesn't fail, doesn't learn"

So by acknowledging and learning from his failures, Leo is able to confront his fear of failure.

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Raphs fear would would likely being his anger and how it turns him into his own worst enemy.

So vision of him going into a rage where he faces off against enemies that turn out to be his brothers, father, and friends. I.E. Facing off and defeating Karai only to find he had brutally injured April.

So

Shredder=Splinter
Tiger Claw=Leo
Rahzar=Mikey
Stockman/Kraang=Donnie
Karai=April
Fishface=Casey

Then as he faces his fear he thinks back to when he received his Sai. Then as things progress he has a memory of a time he hurt Donnie (or Insert brother here) event is something unintended. Like Donnie's tooth gap as an example.

Then memory of a time he hurt Mikey (Insert brother here) event is something he regrets.

Then memory of time he hurt Leo (insert brother here) event is something that has hurt him as well. I.E. chip in plastron and shell.

Followed resolution through what he learned from each experience.

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Mikey's fears tend to be based on things he has had bad experiences with.
For example he is attacked by Mittens in New Friend, Old Enemy ergo he screams like a girl in Alien Agenda over the fact part of Justin's DNA is a cat.
He is nearly killed by the Squirrelanoids ergo he has a fear of Squirrels.
So his experience in Dimention X may give him a fear of being abandoned or forgotten.

Donnie's fear like Leo's will be a fear of failure but in a different sense, maybe unintentionally causing harm to or bringing about the deaths of his family and loved ones.
Things that haunt him being unable to prevent the mutation of the Pulverizer
The Mutation of Dr. O'Niel
Mutagen man potentially killing April
Nearly killing Spike in his attempts to find a cure for April's dad,
Failing to save Casey from being eaten by that Kraang Worm in Wormquake.
possible death of the Pulverizer
Near death of Leo after he splits off from them due to their dispute.

[ssjup81]

Since these eps are coming up soon, thought I'd revive this thread. ^^

[BubblyShell22]

Looks like this will be just one episode instead of a series like we hoped. Ah, well, I'm still stoked for it.

[victory_angel]

Though it would have been good for it to have been three to five episodes that focus on each turtle.

One focusing on the journey they have to take and the plan to go their seperate ways so they can meet up a week later. And while they are gone, April and Casey would be packing arranging are preparing to close up the farm house for the time being.

Then the rest of the episode or journey end focusing on the journey of one of the turtles who would have an easier time with the Spirit Quest such as Mikey.

Back in the day there was an anime known as Armor Legend Samurai Troopers or Ronin Warriors as it was known in the states.

About five episodes into the second season the titular characters each receive a vision telling them to go out and make themselves stronger. And then the rest of the episode focuses on the pacifistic characters journey.

Then the next episode is entirely focused one the healer/lancers journey.

then the next episode is entirely focused on the Brute character's journey.

the Brains and leader don't really have focused journeys unfortunately because their companions are all captured while on their journeys.

But still if something like this was played out we'd get some development on each of the turtles. Mikey and Leo I can see having an easier time with the Spirit Quest if it was drawn out I'd see them having half an episode each.

Raph and Donnie would have a harder time with the Spirit Quest however and may need a full episode devoted to themselves. For example patience is not one of Raph's strong points. So part of his quest would be to learn patience.

Donnie does have the patience and focus for Spiritual Practices such as meditation. But since he is the brains of the group he prefers more tangible ways of get answers, and only turns to meditation when he has exhausted all other options.

[PangolinFeets]

Originally Posted by BubblyShell22

Looks like this will be just one episode instead of a series like we hoped. Ah, well, I'm still stoked for it.

Ugh. Its an episode that's been hyped for almost an entire year now. They could at least give us a two-parter.

I'm gonna be grumpy about it until it airs.