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http://libcom.org/history/articles/c...?quicktabs_1=0 (excerpt) ------------------------------------------------- On the Soviet side, the events of the Cold War were repeated interventions in Eastern Europe: tanks in East Berlin (1953) and Budapest (1956) and Prague (196 On the US side, intervention was worldwide, reflecting the status attained by the US as the first truly global power in history. On the domestic front, the Cold War helped the Soviet Union entrench its military-bureaucratic ruling class in power, and it gave the US a way to compel its population to subsidise high-tech industry. It isn't easy to sell all that to the domestic populations. The technique used was the old stand-by-fear of a great enemy. The Cold War provided that too. No matter how outlandish the idea that the Soviet Union and its tentacles were strangling the West, the "Evil Empire" was in fact evil, was an empire and was brutal. Each superpower controlled its primary enemy - its own population - by terrifying it with the (quite real) crimes of the other. In crucial respects, then, the Cold War was a kind of tacit arrangement between the Soviet Union and the United States under which the US conducted its wars against the Third World and controlled its allies in Europe, while the Soviet rulers kept an iron grip on their own internal empire and their satellites in Eastern Europe - each side using the other to justify repression and violence in its own domains. The Cold War even had a cultural component, with rival interventions in the art world. ------------------------------------------------------ Don't take anything that's mainstream seriously. Read revisionist history and the essays of anti-establishment pundits. http://www.chomsky.info/ http://petras.lahaine.org/ http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Pa...l_Parenti.html http://well-temperedforum.groupee.ne...1101037356/p/1 Here's a good book. http://www.amazon.es/Lies-My-Teacher.../dp/0743296281 It's on-line. Copy and paste this link. I don't know why it didn't come out a hotlink. file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/HOLA/Mis%20documentos/Downloads/Lies%20My%20Teacher%20Told%20Me.pdf edit next day ------------------------------------- Ralph Nader is an important anti-establishment pundit. https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...ry=ralph+nader The TV channels refuse to sell him air time because they don't want the people to hear his words. Last edited by Drifty; 12-25-2014 at 10:17 AM. |
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Merry Christmas and may all the tinfoil Santa Hats fit y'all well.
Few thoughts: You Tube and conspiracy theory sites are not good references nor do they help you present a credible argument. Linking Jarrah's videos instantly make you lose credibility with most here. 50 years later there is no reason for anyone to continue a cover up. We know a lot of the behind the scenes stuff from that time period and the Cold War and space race in general. If the moon landing was fake, if would be mainstream knowledge by now, not just fringe theory. Try looking for an observatory with time on the LRO. See it with your own eyes. Occam's Razor. |
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(you only have to see what is taught in Japan about WW2 for example)
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This calls for an objectivity test.
The Chinese spacewalk was obviously faked. The official NASA position is that it was real. Here's a partial summary of the proof that the Chinese spacewalk was faked. Tell us whether you agree with the NASA position that it was real, or think it was faked. This is for all of you pro-Apollo posters. http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=NVbBFwdmldA http://es.youtube.com/watch?v=kG4Z_r38ZDE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IW__oOciq2c http://en.epochtimes.com/n2/content/view/8332/ http://www.theepochtimes.com/n2/content/view/5809/ In this video the safety cable is obviously buoyant. It has a distinct tendency to to upward. http://www.youtube.com/watch?gl=ES&hl=es&v=gMxQEHfU6hM Watch it at these time marks. 0:50 2:10 3:00 3:10 6:08 6:44 6:53 It's going upward because it's slightly lighter than water. Watch the first video on the list at the 3:45 time mark to see the astronaut holding the buoyant safety cable down so that its buoyancy won't be so obvious. At the thirty second mark in this clip the astronaut moves the flag from right to left. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvpPknmHGAM The flag flutters the way it would in a medium such as water. The fast flag movement can be explained by sped-up video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBL98p0wZ7g (1:55 time mark) |
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The smart thing would be to get someone who is trained in physics and who is trained to study space and its effects on objects. Want to know why? Because they would be able to give an opinion that would not be considered biased or idiotic. I am not trained in such matters so I can care less. Now I am trained in history so we can go all day with your radical opinions if you want.
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O.k. let's go about this like this. You are posting conspiracy theories and youtube videos to prove something was faked. I will post some references too. Here is a list of references from Wikipedia proving it was real. Bear in mind that there is a ton of these websites.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing http://www.spaceline.org/flightchron/apollo11.html http://news.nationalgeographic.com/n...onlanding.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/ap...lo11_40th.html http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1959-014A http://www.aai.ee/~vladislav/program_yft0060.html https://archive.org/stream/galaxymag...e/n61/mode/2up http://ntrs.nasa.gov/archive/nasa/ca...9780007206.pdf http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-012A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-007A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1962-055A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1964-041A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-010A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1965-023A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-021A http://nssdc.gsfc.nasa.gov/nmc/space...o?id=1961-032A http://www.astronautix.com/craft/lunae6.htm http://science.nationalgeographic.co...n-article.html These sites are only half of Wikipedia's list of references. Now notice that it doesn't seem to be cult sites. We got sites from the white house, nasa, national geographic, archiving websites, science websites, etc. I posted the rest of the references below. Now some of them seem odd but you could always just Wikipedia here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moon_landing . There seems to be tons of things made up on here from what you are saying. I see made up science, made up landing sites, made up space ships, made up interviews, etc. It is so made up that my intelligence is going to explode! This faking is so well documented that we should get the international community to honor this deed with a world wonders claim. This faking is obviously more creative than the gardens of Babylon, colossus of Rhodes, or the mausoleum of Halicarnassus could ever be. References and notes[edit] 1.Jump up ^ "Manned Space Chronology: Apollo_11". spaceline.org. Retrieved 6 February 2008. 2.Jump up ^ "Apollo Anniversary: Moon Landing "Inspired World"". National Geographic. Retrieved 6 February 2008. 3.Jump up ^ "Luna 2". NASA–NSSDC. 4.Jump up ^ NASA Apollo 11 40th anniversary. 5.^ Jump up to: a b c "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 3 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 6.Jump up ^ "Escape from the Moon!". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 7.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Lun 2 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 8.Jump up ^ "Homepage of V.V Pustynski for students of YFT0060". Estonia: Tartu Observatory. Retrieved 17 February 2011. 9.Jump up ^ Ley, Willy (July 1957). "For Your Information". Galaxy Science Fiction (61–71). p. 69. Retrieved 11 June 2014. 10.Jump up ^ JPL Pioneer Mission. 11.Jump up ^ Lunar Impact"Lunar Missions 1958 through 1965" (PDF). Nasa History Series. Retrieved 9 September 2009. 12.^ Jump up to: a b c d e "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 4 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 13.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 6 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 14.^ Jump up to: a b "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 5 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 15.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 7 Details". 16.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 8 Details". 17.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 9 Details". 18.^ Jump up to: a b "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 1 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 19.Jump up ^ "NASA – NSSDC – Spacecraft – Ranger 2 Details". Retrieved 17 February 2011. 20.Jump up ^ "Astronautix Luna E-6". Retrieved February 2011. 21.Jump up ^ "Moon Exploration". National Geographic. Retrieved 17 September 2009. 22.Jump up ^ Burrows, William E. (1999). This New Ocean: The Story of the First Space Age. Modern Library. p. 432. ISBN 0-375-75485-7. 23.Jump up ^ "In the Shadow of the Moon". comingsoon.net. Retrieved 7 February 2008. 24.Jump up ^ "White House 'Lost In Space' Scenarios". thesmokinggun.com. Retrieved 7 February 2008. 25.Jump up ^ Arthur C. Clarke predictions 26.Jump up ^ "Apollo TV Tapes: The Search Continues". space.com. Retrieved 8 February 2008. 27.Jump up ^ "The American Flags On The Moon Have All Turned White - Business Insider". businessinsider.com. Retrieved 28 July 2014. 28.^ Jump up to: a b "Apollo Moon Landing Flags Still Standing, Photos Reveal". Space.com. Retrieved 10 October 2014 29.Jump up ^ Hiten, NSSDC, NASA. Accessed on line 18 October 2010. 30.Jump up ^ SMART 1, NSSDC, NASA. Accessed on line 18 October 2010. 31.Jump up ^ "Chinese probe crashes into moon", BBC News, 1 March 2009. Retrieved 18 October 2010. 32.Jump up ^ "Chandrayaan-I Impact Probe lands on the Moon". The Times of India. 15 November 2008. Retrieved 14 November 2008. 33.Jump up ^ "China lands Jade Rabbit robot rover on Moon". BBC. 14 December 2013. 34.Jump up ^ Simon Denyer (14 December 2013). "China carries out first soft landing on moon in 37 years". Washington Post. 35.Jump up ^ "China to Launch Lunar Probe Chang'e-2 before 2011". english.cas.ac.cn. Retrieved 29 September 2009.[dead link] 36.Jump up ^ Johnson (31 August 2010). "Three new Indian payloads for Chandrayaan 2, decides ISRO". The Indian Express. Retrieved 31 August 2010. 37.Jump up ^ "Payloads for Chandrayaan-2 Mission Finalised". Indian Space Research Organisation (ISRO) (ISRO). 30 August 2010. Retrieved 2 September 2010. 38.Jump up ^ "Lavochkin begins phase B work for Luna-Glob 1 orbiter". http://www.flightglobal.com. Retrieved 29 September 2009. 39.Jump up ^ "Lunar Precursor Robotic Program". NASA. Retrieved 26 February 2008. 40.Jump up ^ "About Google Lunar X prize". Retrieved 10 September 2009. 41.Jump up ^ "Our Mission". Puli Space Technologies. 4 September 2010. Retrieved 29 January 2012. 42.Jump up ^ Loren Grush (27 October 2011). "Race to Mine the Moon Heats Up". Fox News Channel. Retrieved 29 January 2012. 43.Jump up ^ "Photos: 8 Moon-Landing Hoax Myths--Busted". National Geographic. 16 July 2009. Retrieved 17 July 2014. 44.Jump up ^ "Apollo 11 Experiment Still Going Strong after 35 Years", JPL 20 July 2004. 45.Jump up ^ "LRO Sees Apollo Landing Sites". NASA. 17 July 2009. Retrieved 2 July 2011.
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http://cultureofawareness.com/2012/0...mation-poster/ http://ombudsmanwatchers.org.uk/arti...five_ways.html You can't say it was faked because you can't go against the official US government version of things. You can't say it was real because you'll lose all of your credibility because a twelve-year-old could see it was faked. Quote:
I present the flag movement as proof that the missions were faked. ---------------------------------------------------------------- At the 2:36 time mark of this video... "Apollo 15 flag, facing air resistance; proving the fraud of alleged manned moon landings." http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Gn6MTrin5eU Apollo 15 flag waving http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymwE1sNm82Y (two links to the same video in case one goes off-line) ...the flag starts to move when the astronaut trots by it. This video shows that it started moving before he got close enough to touch it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0 Air made it move. They were in a studio. This video shows that the flag movement is consistent with atmosphere. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7yc2rVOs00 (00:50 and 1:50 time marks) So does this one. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UgUncG26MMA (18:50 time mark) Here's some other stuff about the flag. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bzk6H4voUGo http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jYLRglPxYo https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...lags+Are+Alive https://www.youtube.com/results?sear...he+Dead+Horses ---------------------------------------------------------- You pro-Apollo posters still haven't shown this to be wrong. More info here. http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=144487 |
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Kinetic energy....physics......find me a really real physicist who will back you up.
That flag was touched and jumbled around and displays waning kinetic energy as can be expected. Each time someone jostles it, it will move, and move longer than you expect because their is no atmospheric friction to slow its movement. Those suits are massive and bulky. Just cause you think they are too far away from it to have jostled it doesn't make it true. There is no reason to believe any of this hoax malarkey. |
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Incase you seem to be confused on this concept, here is a Wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kinetic_energy Here is another link in case you do not understand the law of action and reaction: http://www.physicsclassroom.com/clas...ion-(Revisited)
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Initial Apollo 15 Flag Movement https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dW9qcL4LiUg So does this one. The flag that moved http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oFMpmjEv9o0 |
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Here's another anomaly I'd like to see you people address.
------------------------------------------------------ Watch how the corner of Collins' jacket moves in this clip when they were supposed to be halfway to the moon. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc (00:52 time mark) The corner of Collins' jacket swings back and forth the way it would in gravity. Look at the corners of the jacket the woman astronaut is wearing in this clip. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4 That is real zero-gravity and they behave quite differently. The movement of Collins' jacket corner is very different from that of the straps in this clip which is in zero-G. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o (3:17 time mark) It looks the same as the movement of this guy's jacket corners in gravity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4 That ain't micro-gravity that they would encounter halfway to the moon. One possible explanation is that they were trying to fake zero-gravity in a diving plane and the plane wasn't diving fast enough at that point. |
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Now here is a video of someone that is actually in space. As you can see, it can't be disproven with this common water theory because he uses water in the video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Z2KNDGNnlc Can you disprove the recent videos too?
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These two movements are the same so they are obviously both in strong gravity. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6fqdB1b53jc (00:52 time mark) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DTNGNW5Evs4 That same gravitational force is obviously not working on the straps in this video... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ofwzby1c7o (3:17 time mark) ...or the jacket corners in this video. http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=TejsnPThmd4 Any child can see this. The Apollo astronauts were not in space when that footage was taken. |
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Why the hell are we even humoring this guy? He's obviously delusional enough to believe this sh*t and nothing any of us say is going to convince him otherwise.
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I really don't understand the point of coming to a Ninja Turtles forum and posting only on this subject and nothing else, unless you're just trying to take the piss. Go to the forums at abovetopsecret.com, lunaticoutpost.com, godlikeproductions.com - there are dozens of messageboards dedicated to discussion of this subject.
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Mad spammers on the net, la di dah de dah!
So anyway, this guy spams forum after forum with the same crap and ignores where he gets his butt handed to him.
http://debunking-a-moron.blogspot.co.uk/ Collins Jacket, Apollo flag, Chinese Spacewalk. Rinse and repeat. He actually keeps a record of his stupid exploits on a forum where everybody basically ignores or insults him - http://www.spurstalk.com/forums/show...=1#post7729552 Got to laugh at this guy - he has to be a bit mad. |
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