What would you do with a reboot, with a catch...

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Okay, I know this has been asked before, but I thought I'd toss it out there again with a little catch attached. Let's say you got to do your own TMNT reboot, and you get to set your own themes and tone for the film. What would you do? But unlike the last thread, there's a catch...

No retreading the original movie, and no adapting Mirage 1#. No flashbacks to Saki and Yoshi, no first meeting with April or Casey. Shredder can be the villain, but he's already at war with the turtles. You have to start with the tmnt already in place, and no 'cycle of vengeance' themes- you have to move the story ahead, not track over old ground. This doesn't have to be continuation of anything, though it can be if you wish.

I wanna see what both movie fans and movie haters alike come up with...

[plastroncafe]

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

to be fair..if thats the "catch" then its not a reboot....its a just a sequel with a new team

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

to be fair..if thats the "catch" then its not a reboot....its a just a sequel with a new team

Right?

If it's a reboot, that means you're starting over. Brand new.

If you have Shredder and Yoshi(either dead or as Splinter), you have to set up why they(or Splinter and Shredder) hate each other. Which include flashbacks.

Or, hell, you start the movie off with a full on telling of when Saki killed Yoshi and Shen and Splinter escaped, or like the nick toon where Yoshi is trying to start a new life in America after Saki killed Shen in Japan. That's not been done before. Then, after Yoshi or Splinter and the Turtles are mutated, you jump ahead 15 years and start the movie.

This whole entire universe hinges on the blood feud between Saki and Yoshi. If you're starting with a brand new movie, that must be included.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

Right?

If it's a reboot, that means you're starting over. Brand new.

Exactly


I understand the not wanting to see the turtles origin in full depth again...but you cant just skip it completely its a major part of the story.

this sounds more like what Terminator 3, Jurassic Park 3, Batman Returns and Batman and Robin were

movies with new team in the same franchise following the original movie


the term reboot wouldnt apply to this idea as youd still be tied to the previous attachment

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

no 'cycle of vengeance' themes

See, to me that's like making a Spider-Man movie with no "power and responsibility" theme, or X-Men without the whole "protecting a world that hates and fears them" part. It's at the heart of it as a concept - the further you stray from it the weaker it gets.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Really? the fugitoid arc, baxter and the mousers, the four fragments story from season 2 of the OT, the battle nexus from 4kids, future shark from archie so many good stories with no ties to the origin that could be adapted with minor continuity tweaking...

...and you MUST do the first story again!

I'm sorry, but

[plastroncafe]

And every single one of those has a "Cycle of Vengeance" component to it.

I'm still stuck on the parameters of the exercise.
I mean, you tell us we can't retread ground, but we're more than welcome to continue what's already been started...which would kind of require retreading ground.

Again: The only way to win, is not to play.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

...and you MUST do the first story again!

I'm sorry, but

yes the first story must be done to some extent

because the is how to story starts

Krypton has to explode, Peter has to be bit by a spider, Waynes parents must be killed, Banner must get hit by radioactive waves, Rogers gets Super soldier ,Optimus and the Autobots land on earth

they are parts of the story that must be covered to some extent

you cant just start in the middle of an arc and expect everyone to follow...especially ones you are suggesting...remember you are looking at it from the eyes of a fan, true we know the story ins in outs


and even if you start in the middle..with already established characters..you have to go back and tell how it happened..thats what 2k3 did

[Bry]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Really? the fugitoid arc, baxter and the mousers, the four fragments story from season 2 of the OT, the battle nexus from 4kids, future shark from archie so many good stories with no ties to the origin that could be adapted with minor continuity tweaking...

...and you MUST do the first story again!

I'm sorry, but

Lovely attitude...

Sure - there are other stories to tell. But you don't build upward before you've laid the foundation, do you? The characters, their future plots, and their world are all informed by and rely on how it all began. That's why it's so important to establish themes and have a strong backstory. It's what makes it all hold together and gives it weight. Hell, it's what makes it an actual story and not just a bunch of zany stuff just... happening.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

It's simple, take the formula of The Dark Knight, and apply it here.

The Turtles have been fighting crime for a year or two, and you introduce a new villain who's been terrorizing the city for the last few weeks or months.

I want to see them take from the original and have the Foot recruiting younger members, or introduce Krang, and take from the nick cartoon, and have Krang provide cyborg Foot Soldiers. I want the Turtles to USE their weapons, and having them kill robots is the way to go because they can't show Leo and Raph stabbing people.

I would maybe even have a villain like Tigerclaw for this movie, have him show up and reveal towards the end he's from Dimension X and introduce Krang and have a full scale invasion to end the movie and have a cliff hanger ending.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

but even Batman begins showed the origin of Bruces rise to Batman...His parents death

sure it wasnt the first thing we saw and it wasnt long and drawn out but we saw it

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

Really? the fugitoid arc, baxter and the mousers, the four fragments story from season 2 of the OT, the battle nexus from 4kids, future shark from archie so many good stories with no ties to the origin that could be adapted with minor continuity tweaking...

...and you MUST do the first story again!

I'm sorry, but

...most of which you can have and still begin with how and why the Turtles are the Turtles.

Which begins with Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki's blood feud.

Which we've only seen in flashbacks or, in the case of the new movie, not at all.

So if it's all the same to you, I'd like to see THAT done full justice in a modern movie before we move on to friggin Future Shark.

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

one problem with that theory: TMNT 2007-MAYBE CONTINUATION, MAYBE NOT. we don't know the back story there for certain. and when i said no 'cycle of vengeance' theme, I meant move on from those particular events, not don't bring them up altogether.

But whatever, I give up.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Panda_Kahn_fan

one problem with that theory: TMNT 2007-MAYBE CONTINUATION, MAYBE NOT. we don't know the back story there for certain.

Yeah, and not including it or anything else Turtle related and instead making up some stone warrior/monster crap from whole cloth is a reason it's a fairly mediocre movie.

Even though everything actually Turtle related they got right.

[The Boston Ninja Turtle]

its pretty clear 2007 is a continuation...of what is more the question...it can be both movies or 2k3 series..personally i call it the 4th movie rather than a new story...but there is also the prequel comics to it


but its not a stand alone story...and even then 2007 doesnt skip the origin in clearly mentions it at the begining

[Panda_Kahn_fan]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

It's simple, take the formula of The Dark Knight, and apply it here.

The Turtles have been fighting crime for a year or two, and you introduce a new villain who's been terrorizing the city for the last few weeks or months.

I want to see them take from the original and have the Foot recruiting younger members, or introduce Krang, and take from the nick cartoon, and have Krang provide cyborg Foot Soldiers. I want the Turtles to USE their weapons, and having them kill robots is the way to go because they can't show Leo and Raph stabbing people.

I would maybe even have a villain like Tigerclaw for this movie, have him show up and reveal towards the end he's from Dimension X and introduce Krang and have a full scale invasion to end the movie and have a cliff hanger ending.

Thanks, that pretty close to what i was looking for, thanks.

[Warboss74]

You can certainly show killing in a PG-13 film. Guardians of the Galaxy had zero issue with a ton of killing. Drax killing Korath, Groot impaling multiple soldiers ended up being one of the bigger laughs, Yondu dropped a platoon of soldiers, etc. There's plenty of killing in other PG-13 films, but GOTG was just something that came to mind.

[Purse Grabbin Puke]

Originally Posted by The Boston Ninja Turtle

but even Batman begins showed the origin of Bruces rise to Batman...His parents death

sure it wasnt the first thing we saw and it wasnt long and drawn out but we saw it

How many freaking ORIGIN STORIES DO WE NEED?!

Originally Posted by TrickOrTreater

...most of which you can have and still begin with how and why the Turtles are the Turtles.

Which begins with Hamato Yoshi and Oroku Saki's blood feud.

Which we've only seen in flashbacks or, in the case of the new movie, not at all.

So if it's all the same to you, I'd like to see THAT done full justice in a modern movie before we move on to friggin Future Shark.

Let's just have every Turtle movie deal with the origin story you want, I hope they make 4 of them in the next 10 years, all in great detail, the origin of Splinter and Shredder, never show the Turtles, just Splinter and Shredder's "blood feud", because without Splinter and Shredder's backstory it's impossible to make a story with the Turtles. The reason why the original cartoon, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th movies, 2k3 cartoon, all suck because they didn't deal with Splinter and Shredder in EVERY episode, and in every line of dialogue.

Or maybe you should be yelling from the mountain top about a Splinter solo flick! Then those dumb turtles won't muck up the story for you. Since it's so effing hard to follow along with if you don't get YOUR precious origin story.

You sound like the people who can't like Man of Steel because Pa Kent died in a tornado and not from a heart attack...IT'S NOT THE ORIGIN THAT'S BEEN TOLD 34545345 TIMES MAAAAAAAAN! I NEED TO SEE IT IN THE MOVING PICTURES IN THE NEXT 3 YEARS! THEN IN 10 YEARS I CAN COMPLAIN THAT IT'S BEEN 10 YEARS SINCE I SAW THE ORIGIN OF SPLINTER AND SHREDDER!

Originally Posted by Warboss74

You can certainly show killing in a PG-13 film. Guardians of the Galaxy had zero issue with a ton of killing. Drax killing Korath, Groot impaling multiple soldiers ended up being one of the bigger laughs, Yondu dropped a platoon of soldiers, etc. There's plenty of killing in other PG-13 films, but GOTG was just something that came to mind.

Guardians of the Galaxy is a Marvel product, not a Nickelodeon product. Tell me about the Nickelodeon movies that have killing.

[TrickOrTreater]

Originally Posted by Purse Grabbin Puke

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Well said.