Edgar Wright no longer directing Ant-Man

[plastroncafe]

The Marvel Cinematic Universe pulls heavily from the Marvel Ultimate Universe, in which Pym beats his wife. So I'm thinking that's also partly the reason for why he's not the one in the Ant-Man suit.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Actually, that was the 616 universe, and he slapped her. ONCE. During a very HEATED argument while he was obsessing over his failures with Ultron. I don't recall if the MUU ever used that bit, but that's where it originated. People tend to make WAAAY too much out of that one slap. It never happened again, and IIRC, he was also drunk at the time. And got punched for it by Cap when he walked in on the whole thing. Incident settled.

[CaliperCat]

Man, Ant Man just can't catch a break. It feels like they've been trying to actually get this movie made for forever now. Considering that they gave a bug chunk of his role to Tony Stark in the movies, though, maybe that's not all that surprising.

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

The Marvel Cinematic Universe pulls heavily from the Marvel Ultimate Universe, in which Pym beats his wife. So I'm thinking that's also partly the reason for why he's not the one in the Ant-Man suit.

I didn't know about that, but that could very well be the reason why (although at least we get Michael Douglas out of it). I figured they definitely weren't going to include Eric O'Grady in the movie, since he used his stretch as Ant Man for some, ah, less than moral gains.

[Ninjinister]

I thought the teaser was decent enough for a teaser. I would have definitely liked Wright in the chair since he directed my favorite movie, but I haven't had any big disagreements with any decisions in the end that Marvel Studios have made so I'm hopeful.

[Leo656]

I prefer The Atom. One day they're inevitably gonna make an Atom movie, and people are gonna accuse DC/WB of ripping off Marvel/Ant-Man, rather than t'other way 'round. Kind of annoying.

Also, one of these mighty mites has an actual super-hero name. The other, a Mad Magazine-style parody of a super-hero name. "Ant-Man". That's really a guy! Unreal. When I was a kid I swore someone made that up. Then I saw him on a poster next to Captain America and I knew he was real.

But yeah I don't see this making a huge splash. But ya neeeeeever knoooow...

[Candy Kappa]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Actually, that was the 616 universe, and he slapped her. ONCE. During a very HEATED argument while he was obsessing over his failures with Ultron. I don't recall if the MUU ever used that bit, but that's where it originated. People tend to make WAAAY too much out of that one slap. It never happened again, and IIRC, he was also drunk at the time. And got punched for it by Cap when he walked in on the whole thing. Incident settled.

And the artist misinterpretated the script and drew Ant-Man giving Wasp the slap of the century.

And it's odd it got stuck on Pym being the wife beater, since Reed have slapped Sue several times and even Peter Parker have slapped MJ.

But then again, I kinda like it that Pym is seen as the wife beater, it adds flaws to the character and makes him more three dimensional then just a square jawed white guy superhero. And it's inter sting to see how other characters reacts around Hank, like She-Hulk. Who refused to leave Hank alone with Janet.

Ultimate Universe took it further, and had not only Hank beating the crap out of Janet, but he set his ants on her to kill her.

[Leo656]

I seen some of those really old F4 comics where Reed always has to slap Sue to get her to "pull herself together", in between her never-ending sobbing about how inept and useless she was.

Not "funny", exactly, but... actually, yeah, hilarious. Those old F4 comics are like an Anti-Feminist Time Capsule.

[ZariusTwo]

Peter Parker once hit a pregnant MJ during the Clone Saga in the pre-OMD 616 universe (it still counts in MC2 canon along with every other development that grew him up) it was one of the contributing factors to him briefly retiring and handing over to Ben Reily

[TigerClaw]

Here's some screenshots from the trailer.
http://www.comicbookmovie.com/fansit...news/?a=113225

Spoiler:

[TigerClaw]

Here's some animated GIFs.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by Candy Kappa

And the artist misinterpretated the script and drew Ant-Man giving Wasp the slap of the century.

And it's odd it got stuck on Pym being the wife beater, since Reed have slapped Sue several times and even Peter Parker have slapped MJ.

But then again, I kinda like it that Pym is seen as the wife beater, it adds flaws to the character and makes him more three dimensional then just a square jawed white guy superhero. And it's inter sting to see how other characters reacts around Hank, like She-Hulk. Who refused to leave Hank alone with Janet.

Ultimate Universe took it further, and had not only Hank beating the crap out of Janet, but he set his ants on her to kill her.

Indeed. I didn't know about Reed slapping Sue, and I'd almost forgotten the M-J slap, but yeah, it's interesting that Pym gets all the hate for that when others have done the same thing. However, in Pym's case, he was trying to create a fake threat to fight so that he would be taken seriously as a hero and Avenger again, and went overboard in his reaction to Janet calling him out on it and threatening to narc on him. So he slaps her, and then Cap sees the slap and knocked him silly, without even knowing what it was about. Pym was totally in the wrong no matter how you slice it, and I think that has a lot to do with how he is seen by the readers and even within the MU itself. He's no longer trusted as he once was, for all of the above reasons.

Originally Posted by ZariusTwo

Peter Parker once hit a pregnant MJ during the Clone Saga in the pre-OMD 616 universe (it still counts in MC2 canon along with every other development that grew him up) it was one of the contributing factors to him briefly retiring and handing over to Ben Reily

True, true. *nods sagely* At some point, I think Peter decided that he was getting out of control, and realized he needed to step away from the suit for a while. But that's what makes him such a deep, well-developed character, that he has that kind of self-awareness.

[TheSkeletonMan939]

Oh, that's the Parker slap you're talking about? Yeah, that was when he was on the verge of a breakdown when he was told he was a clone of Ben Reilly. So that's not really fair to Peter.

Pym was always a little bit of a nut, but he really went over the bend after the strain of knowing he'd created Ultron. He pretended to be Yellowjacket and fought the Avengers, and then he went through multiple superhero identity changes... poor guy.

[TigerClaw]

Someone did a Fixed Re-Edit of the Trailer which made it all better.

[TurtleTitan97]

Originally Posted by TigerClaw

Someone did a Fixed Re-Edit of the Trailer which made it all better.

Meh. I prefer the original version, honestly. I don't see anything wrong with it.

But back on topic, this movie looks great. Super excited for it.

[MsMarvelDuckie]

Originally Posted by TheSkeletonMan939

Oh, that's the Parker slap you're talking about? Yeah, that was when he was on the verge of a breakdown when he was told he was a clone of Ben Reilly. So that's not really fair to Peter.

Pym was always a little bit of a nut, but he really went over the bend after the strain of knowing he'd created Ultron. He pretended to be Yellowjacket and fought the Avengers, and then he went through multiple superhero identity changes... poor guy.

Yeah, but you have to admit that he brought it all on himself. I think that's where a lot of the hate for him comes from, whereas Peter was basically suffering the repercussions of being told he wasn't "real", and that his entire life was a lie- it would do quite a number on a person's mental state, to be sure. So he kind of gets a pass for that, I suppose. He literally wasn't "himself".

[joefsas]

This looks awsome! Can't wait to see it!

[NinjaPug]

Love the suit

[Bry]

Kinda cautiously optimistic about this. I was worried when Edgar Wright and Marvel "broke up", and the trailer kinda supported those fears a bit - it looks pretty serious and generic compared to what I was hoping for, at least so far. It could just be a misleading trailer, so I'm not going to assume too much, but I was really hoping for some fun on this one. Something quick and funny and clever and emotional (y'know, an Edgar Wright movie, basically) and this seems pretty... cold, to me. I don't think it'll be bad or anything, but I was hoping for something with a lighter and distinct tone, and I'm not really feeling that yet.

Keeping an open mind, and I'll definitely see it. But I'm a bit worried this could me Marvel's first fumble.

But yeah - the suit looks good.

[plastroncafe]

Originally Posted by MsMarvelDuckie

Actually, that was the 616 universe, and he slapped her. ONCE. During a very HEATED argument while he was obsessing over his failures with Ultron. I don't recall if the MUU ever used that bit, but that's where it originated. People tend to make WAAAY too much out of that one slap. It never happened again, and IIRC, he was also drunk at the time. And got punched for it by Cap when he walked in on the whole thing. Incident settled.

That it hasn't happened again doesn't mean it won't or couldn't, and Cap punching him doesn't absolve him from having done it in the first place. Just like he will always be an alcoholic regardless of how much or little he drinks, he'll always be a wife beater regardless of whether or not he raises his hand to her again.

And I'm pretty sure he's an abusive alcoholic in Ultimates as well as 616.

Anyway...that's my theory as to why we don't get much of Pym in the movie.

[FoxBoxKid]

Originally Posted by plastroncafe

That it hasn't happened again doesn't mean it won't or couldn't, and Cap punching him doesn't absolve him from having done it in the first place. Just like he will always be an alcoholic regardless of how much or little he drinks, he'll always be a wife beater regardless of whether or not he raises his hand to her again.

And I'm pretty sure he's an abusive alcoholic in Ultimates as well as 616.

Anyway...that's my theory as to why we don't get much of Pym in the movie.

Seeing as they're divorced in the mainstream continuity and both dead in the Ultimate universe, I doubt that it'll happen again. Also, he was in a very fragile mental state at the time, and it's a comic book. It's really up to the writers to decide if he's abusive alcoholic or not.