Why has Anime ruined my Saturday Morning Cartoons?

The Turtle Titan · 06-12-2003, 06:25 PM

ok,before all you Anime Fans attack me, im NOT saying all anime is bad just hear me out.....Back in the day (late 80s,early 90s) Saturday Morning cartoons where awsome...with great shows like TMNT,Street Sharks,Biker Mice From Mars,Tranformers,The ORIGINAL Mighty Morphin Power Rangers,and others...Saturday Mornings where awsome, but now...theres nothing but poorly dubbed anime...like Digimon,Yu-Gi-Oh,Fighting Foodons,etc. Now dont get me wrong, Saturday Morning cartoons having completly gone to Hell, Kids WB has a few good cartoons like Static Shock and Jackie Chan. FoxBox has some good cartoons like TMNT (of coarse), THe Cramp Twins is ok, and i actually think Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are okay, and in my opinion FoxBox has a killer line-up this fall...Sonic X looks cool,so does Shaman King...and Funky Cops looks funny as hell. Cubix...is well....stoopid but hey it will get ratings. TMNT,Kirby,Ultimate Muscle,and The Cramp Twins are all returning. So maybe this fall FoxBox will represent some good Saturday Morning cartoons....im 16...and i watch Saturday Morning Cartoons.....damn i need to grow up....

BigThew · 06-12-2003, 06:32 PM

agree...even thos in the 80's the toons had some old anime influence....now it is rediculous...cheap imitation anime...
but personally i am not a big fan of Anime to begin with

*Tetsu Deinonychus* · 06-12-2003, 06:36 PM

I love Anime, but It'd would be nice if they'd stop editing it and do a better job of dubbing it. And, yes some more quality american animation would be nice too.

BTW Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are anime.

*Kid Icarus* · 06-12-2003, 06:39 PM

You ask why it's ruined Sat. morning cartoons?

Because, to put it VERY simply, it sells.

Anime is the big thing now (I'm not complaing) and companies need kid friendly anime to show, so they take something that looks like it could be for kids and alter the scripts to make the story for kids as well.

Infact, the only station trying to keep the anime the same is the one responsibly for its mainstream popularity : Cartoon Network.

But um, yeah. Fox Box is pry your best bet now for "old skool" saturday cartoons.

Anyone remember Garfield?

~~TheShredder~~ · 06-12-2003, 06:46 PM

Yeah I remember Garfield.

Ninjatron · 06-12-2003, 07:10 PM

Beyond all of that, anime is cheap. All the hard work has already been done aside from a translation. In today's economy with the advertising market being what it is and what it has been since September 11 2001, showing anime means spending less money, thus less risk.

Risk is another important factor. "Saturday Morning cartoons" as you and I once knew them do not exist any more. The institution of watching cartoons on Saturday is long gone. There are more things after kid's attention now, like video games and the internet. That makes any sort of Saturday morning children's programming a risk. Hell, that's why TMNT ended in 1996. CBS cancelled their entire Saturday morning line up in favor of "educational" programing (which bombed, if I remember correctly).

In a related note, it used to be that Saturday morning was the only time to watch cartoons. Ever. But now you can watch cartoons 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That means Saturday morning just isn't as special any more.

I say bring on the anime. There's such a wide variety of stuff out there, it's really not fair to lump it all together. And the stuff that we've gotten translated here doesn't even scratch the surface of what could potentially be released in the years to come.

By the way, Mr Kahn of 4Kids has been looking into getting shows from other places besides Japan. Hence Funky Cops.

Sayonara.

~~Leo656~~ · 06-12-2003, 07:16 PM

I miss the days of Saturday Morning cartoons. Loony Tunes, Real Ghostbusters, Ninja Turtles, Alf, Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling, Captain N, Garfield and Friends... all leading up to WWF Superstars on Fox at 11pm and American Gladiators at noon, and then finding something else to do all weekend b/c weekend television sucked back then except for Saturday Morning cartoons. Even fairly recently, with shows like Sonic the Hedgehog on Saturday mornings, it was worth getting up early. Getting up for TMNT does bring back SOME memories, but it just doesn't feel the same. Sigh.

"Come on in, come to the place where fun never ends... Come on in, let's start the party with Garfield and Friends.... Garfield and Friends!"

Siiiiiiiigh....

*JameO* · 06-12-2003, 07:35 PM

Yeah those good ole days.

WWF Superstar I remember that. Never missed it ever!

Peanut · 06-12-2003, 07:38 PM

I haven't heard anyone talk about that Hulk Hogan show in years! I always enjoyed getting up to watch saturday morning cartoons. I remember at one point getting up MEGA early to watch AoStH and sometimes Super Mario Bros. 3 and Camp Candy. No one seems to remember Camp Candy. Of course the biggest of all of that was TMNT. I have countless old videos of me as a kid and all I'd do was sing the TMNT theme song to the camera. Other than that I would either pretend to be a turtle or play with the toys.

Shellfox · 06-12-2003, 07:46 PM

I manged to get 2 of the reissued Hulk toons a while back at a dollars store, but I do miss the good old days of Saturday. X-Men, Spider-Man, Garfield, Sonic, MMPR, T-Rex, Dinbo Riders, Mother Goose and Grim...
And I don't hate all anime, mostly just the ones driven by card games, most just seem so senceless, or have some kind of plot forced on top of it. But for the record I hate DBZ

~~TheShredder~~ · 06-12-2003, 07:48 PM

I remember when they reaired it on saturady and they had a new theme song that went something like "he's fat and lazy he's funk and crazy he's my main cat Garfield"

~~Leo656~~ · 06-12-2003, 07:56 PM

Y'know the guy who did Hogan's voice in that "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling" cartoon is now on "Everybody Loves Raymond"? I don't know what character though, I don't watch that show, I just read Hogan mention it in his book and I caught a few seconds of the show as it was ending one day and I definitely heard the voice. How strange.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-12-2003, 09:04 PM

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*XERO* · 06-12-2003, 09:23 PM

"Hey piasanos! It's The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!"

We're the Mario Bros., and plumbin's our game
We're not like the others who get all the fame
If your sink is in trouble
You can call us on the double
We're faster than the others
You'll be hooked on the Brothers!

(Mario Theme music plays)

Hooked on the Brothers
Gimme Gimme, Gimme Gimme

"You're in for a treat, so hang on to your seat
Get ready for an adventure with remarkable feats
You'll meet Koopas and Troopas, the Princess and the others
Hangin' with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the Brothers!

To the bridge!

(Mario theme continues)

Uhhh!

(Mario theme finishes)

I said-a hooked, hoooooooooooked ON THE BROTHERS! (echoes)

Next to TMNT, the best Theme Song ever!!!

**Nturtle** · 06-12-2003, 09:25 PM

Do the mario!! Swing your arms from side to side... something, something do the mario!!

~~Leo656~~ · 06-12-2003, 09:27 PM

It's "Come on, it's time to go, Do the Mario!" It was the closing theme.

Captain Lou Albano shaking his ass while dressed like a plumber.... scary.

Raijin Z · 06-13-2003, 06:52 AM

Anime ruined Transformers? What the hell do you think Transformers WAS? Toei isn't an AMERICAN company.

*That Matt Guy* · 06-13-2003, 06:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Leo656

Y'know the guy who did Hogan's voice in that "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling" cartoon is now on "Everybody Loves Raymond"? I don't know what character though, I don't watch that show, I just read Hogan mention it in his book and I caught a few seconds of the show as it was ending one day and I definitely heard the voice. How strange.

Yeah, that dude does a bunch of voices in cartoons. I don't really think he sounds like Hogan though, I wonder why they got him to do Hulk's voice.

~~Tokka-B~~ · 06-13-2003, 01:36 PM

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Dance your cares away,
Worry's for another day.
Let the music play,
Down at Fraggle Rock.
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Life is like a hurricane
Here in Duckburg
Race cars, lasers, aeroplanes
It's a duck-blur
Might solve a mystery
Or rewrite history
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What on Earth has happened to Saturday mornings?

~~Leo656~~ · 06-13-2003, 02:41 PM

I have some old tapes of "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling", and NONE of them sound right. Andre and Snuka sound passable, but Roddy Piper sounded NOTHING like Roddy Piper. Which was really annoying since he was like the main villain and in almost every episode. When I watch a cartoon where Hulk Hogan and Rowdy Roddy Piper are fighting each other in outer space or in a haunted Transylvanian castle or at Hillbilly Jim's farm, I at LEAST want them to sound right. Damn it.

06-12-2003, 06:25 PM	#1
The Turtle Titan Random Punk Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New Mexico Posts: 24	Why has Anime ruined my Saturday Morning Cartoons? ok,before all you Anime Fans attack me, im NOT saying all anime is bad just hear me out.....Back in the day (late 80s,early 90s) Saturday Morning cartoons where awsome...with great shows like TMNT,Street Sharks,Biker Mice From Mars,Tranformers,The ORIGINAL Mighty Morphin Power Rangers,and others...Saturday Mornings where awsome, but now...theres nothing but poorly dubbed anime...like Digimon,Yu-Gi-Oh,Fighting Foodons,etc. Now dont get me wrong, Saturday Morning cartoons having completly gone to Hell, Kids WB has a few good cartoons like Static Shock and Jackie Chan. FoxBox has some good cartoons like TMNT (of coarse), THe Cramp Twins is ok, and i actually think Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are okay, and in my opinion FoxBox has a killer line-up this fall...Sonic X looks cool,so does Shaman King...and Funky Cops looks funny as hell. Cubix...is well....stoopid but hey it will get ratings. TMNT,Kirby,Ultimate Muscle,and The Cramp Twins are all returning. So maybe this fall FoxBox will represent some good Saturday Morning cartoons....im 16...and i watch Saturday Morning Cartoons.....damn i need to grow up.... __________________ No Need To Fear,The Turtle Titan is Here! Keep It Green.

06-12-2003, 06:36 PM	#3
Tetsu Deinonychus The Iron Dinosaur Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Studio Snowlion HQ Posts: 3,021	I love Anime, but It'd would be nice if they'd stop editing it and do a better job of dubbing it. And, yes some more quality american animation would be nice too. BTW Ultimate Muscle and Kirby are anime. __________________ (Image hosting by Postimage.org) And here's a list of all my old wacky threads!

06-12-2003, 07:10 PM	#6
Ninjatron Hench Mutant Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Toronto Posts: 313	Beyond all of that, anime is cheap. All the hard work has already been done aside from a translation. In today's economy with the advertising market being what it is and what it has been since September 11 2001, showing anime means spending less money, thus less risk. Risk is another important factor. "Saturday Morning cartoons" as you and I once knew them do not exist any more. The institution of watching cartoons on Saturday is long gone. There are more things after kid's attention now, like video games and the internet. That makes any sort of Saturday morning children's programming a risk. Hell, that's why TMNT ended in 1996. CBS cancelled their entire Saturday morning line up in favor of "educational" programing (which bombed, if I remember correctly). In a related note, it used to be that Saturday morning was the only time to watch cartoons. Ever. But now you can watch cartoons 24 hours a day 7 days a week. That means Saturday morning just isn't as special any more. I say bring on the anime. There's such a wide variety of stuff out there, it's really not fair to lump it all together. And the stuff that we've gotten translated here doesn't even scratch the surface of what could potentially be released in the years to come. By the way, Mr Kahn of 4Kids has been looking into getting shows from other places besides Japan. Hence Funky Cops. Sayonara. __________________

06-12-2003, 07:35 PM	#8
JameO Mad Scientist Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Ontario, Canada Posts: 1,753	Yeah those good ole days. WWF Superstar I remember that. Never missed it ever! __________________ "Lie, Cheat & Steal, Atleast I'm Honest"

06-12-2003, 09:23 PM	#14
XERO Hybrid Theorist Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Alamo City Posts: 8,185	"Hey piasanos! It's The Super Mario Bros. Super Show!" We're the Mario Bros., and plumbin's our game We're not like the others who get all the fame If your sink is in trouble You can call us on the double We're faster than the others You'll be hooked on the Brothers! (Mario Theme music plays) Hooked on the Brothers Gimme Gimme, Gimme Gimme "You're in for a treat, so hang on to your seat Get ready for an adventure with remarkable feats You'll meet Koopas and Troopas, the Princess and the others Hangin' with the plumbers, you'll be hooked on the Brothers! To the bridge! (Mario theme continues) Uhhh! (Mario theme finishes) I said-a hooked, hoooooooooooked ON THE BROTHERS! (echoes) Next to TMNT, the best Theme Song ever!!! __________________ "Travel at the speed of light... then hit the nitro!"

06-12-2003, 06:32 PM	#2
BigThew Stone Warrior Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 574	agree...even thos in the 80's the toons had some old anime influence....now it is rediculous...cheap imitation anime... but personally i am not a big fan of Anime to begin with

06-12-2003, 06:39 PM	#4
Kid Icarus Foot Elite Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Angel Land Posts: 4,150	You ask why it's ruined Sat. morning cartoons? Because, to put it VERY simply, it sells. Anime is the big thing now (I'm not complaing) and companies need kid friendly anime to show, so they take something that looks like it could be for kids and alter the scripts to make the story for kids as well. Infact, the only station trying to keep the anime the same is the one responsibly for its mainstream popularity : Cartoon Network. But um, yeah. Fox Box is pry your best bet now for "old skool" saturday cartoons. Anyone remember Garfield?

06-12-2003, 06:46 PM	#5
~~TheShredder~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Throne Room Posts: 442	Yeah I remember Garfield.

06-12-2003, 07:16 PM	#7
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I miss the days of Saturday Morning cartoons. Loony Tunes, Real Ghostbusters, Ninja Turtles, Alf, Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling, Captain N, Garfield and Friends... all leading up to WWF Superstars on Fox at 11pm and American Gladiators at noon, and then finding something else to do all weekend b/c weekend television sucked back then except for Saturday Morning cartoons. Even fairly recently, with shows like Sonic the Hedgehog on Saturday mornings, it was worth getting up early. Getting up for TMNT does bring back SOME memories, but it just doesn't feel the same. Sigh. "Come on in, come to the place where fun never ends... Come on in, let's start the party with Garfield and Friends.... Garfield and Friends!" Siiiiiiiigh....

06-12-2003, 07:38 PM	#9
Peanut Second Gear Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: The New World Posts: 15,422	I haven't heard anyone talk about that Hulk Hogan show in years! I always enjoyed getting up to watch saturday morning cartoons. I remember at one point getting up MEGA early to watch AoStH and sometimes Super Mario Bros. 3 and Camp Candy. No one seems to remember Camp Candy. Of course the biggest of all of that was TMNT. I have countless old videos of me as a kid and all I'd do was sing the TMNT theme song to the camera. Other than that I would either pretend to be a turtle or play with the toys.

06-12-2003, 07:46 PM	#10
Shellfox Mad Scientist Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,234	I manged to get 2 of the reissued Hulk toons a while back at a dollars store, but I do miss the good old days of Saturday. X-Men, Spider-Man, Garfield, Sonic, MMPR, T-Rex, Dinbo Riders, Mother Goose and Grim... And I don't hate all anime, mostly just the ones driven by card games, most just seem so senceless, or have some kind of plot forced on top of it. But for the record I hate DBZ

06-12-2003, 07:48 PM	#11
~~TheShredder~~ Banned Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: My Throne Room Posts: 442	I remember when they reaired it on saturady and they had a new theme song that went something like "he's fat and lazy he's funk and crazy he's my main cat Garfield"

06-12-2003, 07:56 PM	#12
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	Y'know the guy who did Hogan's voice in that "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling" cartoon is now on "Everybody Loves Raymond"? I don't know what character though, I don't watch that show, I just read Hogan mention it in his book and I caught a few seconds of the show as it was ending one day and I definitely heard the voice. How strange.

06-12-2003, 09:04 PM	#13
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	“We’re the Chipmunks, C-H-I-P-M-U-N-K, We’re the Chipmunks, Guaranteed to brighten your day!” ----------------------------------------------- "We're tiny, we're toony, we're all a little loony" ------------------------------------------------------- "Muppet Babies, we will make our dreams come true, Muppet Babies we'll do the same for you" ------------------------------------------------------------------------------

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~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	It's "Come on, it's time to go, Do the Mario!" It was the closing theme. Captain Lou Albano shaking his ass while dressed like a plumber.... scary.

06-13-2003, 06:52 AM	#17
Raijin Z Thug Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Old Murakumo Base, Mars Posts: 68	Anime ruined Transformers? What the hell do you think Transformers WAS? Toei isn't an AMERICAN company.

06-13-2003, 01:36 PM	#19
~~Tokka-B~~ Banned Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: The Lost Sewer Posts: 1,829	----------------------------------------------- Dance your cares away, Worry's for another day. Let the music play, Down at Fraggle Rock. ----------------------------------------------- Life is like a hurricane Here in Duckburg Race cars, lasers, aeroplanes It's a duck-blur Might solve a mystery Or rewrite history ------------------------------------------ What on Earth has happened to Saturday mornings?

06-13-2003, 02:41 PM	#20
~~Leo656~~ Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: nWo Country Posts: 27,703	I have some old tapes of "Hulk Hogan's Rock N Wrestling", and NONE of them sound right. Andre and Snuka sound passable, but Roddy Piper sounded NOTHING like Roddy Piper. Which was really annoying since he was like the main villain and in almost every episode. When I watch a cartoon where Hulk Hogan and Rowdy Roddy Piper are fighting each other in outer space or in a haunted Transylvanian castle or at Hillbilly Jim's farm, I at LEAST want them to sound right. Damn it.